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Aw. I feel bad for her now. I guess this sort of tragic end is even sadder than a noble sacrifice in its own way. I think I underestimated Burlew on his portrayal of her.
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Wow, I did not see that coming. I like it better than anything anyone predicted here.
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Jun 12, 2007 05:50
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Jun 12, 2007 05:53
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Aimbot posted:You know, she's not half bad. No she really is. The smug self-righteous bitch didn't deserve any sort of reconciliation. Perhaps not indeed Soon, Miko wouldn't have crashed and burned if she'd kept on her current tact and rightfully so, instead she gets to die a quasi hero. A well deserved downward spiral ruined by a delusional act of heroism. drat you Burlew.
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Jun 12, 2007 05:59
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Aimbot posted:You know, she's not half bad. Oh come on, this isn't the time to beat a dead horse
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Jun 12, 2007 06:05
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I'm glad it happened this way, truth be told. Miko's story really only had potential to keep spinning off into more and more horrible places. Her death lets her serve a purpose, but won't result in sideplots and recurring harrassment of the Order that could have led Burlew away from the main focus.
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Jun 12, 2007 06:07
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The Werle posted:Her death lets her serve a purpose, but won't result in sideplots and recurring harrassment of the Order that could have led Burlew away from the main focus. That's what the Linear Guild is for!
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Jun 12, 2007 06:10
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In spite of everything, I've always kind of felt bad for Miko. I'm glad she gets at least a vaguely dignified death.
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Jun 12, 2007 06:11
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farraday posted:No she really is. You know, there's a good chance she's going to a less than pleasant afterlife. Look how Soon danced around the issue of where exactly she was going, and the line about her horse "visiting" her. Also you're replying to a horrible pun about how she's cut in half.
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Jun 12, 2007 06:21
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Jun 12, 2007 06:25
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Lurdiak posted:You know, there's a good chance she's going to a less than pleasant afterlife. Look how Soon danced around the issue of where exactly she was going, and the line about her horse "visiting" her. I know, I'm just pissed she gets a sympathetic send off without doing anything to deserve one.
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Jun 12, 2007 06:29
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farraday posted:I know, I'm just pissed she gets a sympathetic send off without doing anything to deserve one. I think the point is that in the grand scheme of things, she wasn't that bad, and taking pleasure in someone's death just because they're irritating... why? I'm having trouble articulating my point here, but why should she get a horrible "HAHAHA TAKE THAT BITCH" death, just because she was a very dislikable person? What would it accomplish?
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Jun 12, 2007 06:32
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haha. I bet Burlew wrote that after reading everyone's predictions for Miko. With that in mind, everyone needs to register for the OOTS forums and post lots of times predicting what we don't want to happen, to happen.
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Jun 12, 2007 06:34
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RickoniX posted:Oh come on, this isn't the time to beat a dead horse It's in the celestial realm, get it right.
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Jun 12, 2007 06:41
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Lurdiak posted:I think the point is that in the grand scheme of things, she wasn't that bad, and taking pleasure in someone's death just because they're irritating... why? I'm having trouble articulating my point here, but why should she get a horrible "HAHAHA TAKE THAT BITCH" death, just because she was a very dislikable person? What would it accomplish? I disagree. She was that bad, she just wasn't objectively evil. She was a delusional obsessive bitch and even to the very end she just doesn't understand. Disgraced ex paladin telling Soon how awesome she is? Like Soon said said it's not just that she didn't atone, she never even considered she might have to, even at -9 and bleeding. She died the exact same self righteous bitch she'd been. It feels hollow since she never understood what she had done was wrong, never come to terms with her failure either by acknowledging the need for redemption or turning her back on the 12 gods.
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farraday posted:She died the exact same self righteous bitch she'd been. It feels hollow since she never understood what she had done was wrong, never come to terms with her failure either by acknowledging the need for redemption or turning her back on the 12 gods. That's the tragedy of her character. She never "got it" and she died never knowing any better.
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Jun 12, 2007 06:51
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Eh, it was a nice end. Where did Miko really have to go from here? Either she descends further into insanity and becomes a Blackguard (predictable, cliche), continues being a self-involved crazy bitch (stagnant, repetetive) or has a crazy redemption and completely goes against everything she used to be (stupid, unrealistic). Really it was the best way to send her off since the whole Azure City plotline seems to have drawn to a close for the most part anyway.
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Jun 12, 2007 06:56
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Lurdiak posted:That's the tragedy of her character. She never "got it" and she died never knowing any better. No, she wasn't tragic. Tragedy implies some level of self awareness. Miko is far too... linear, if you'll forgive me, for that. There's no catharsis here, just the death of a mindless projectile.
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Jun 12, 2007 07:04
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farraday posted:No, she wasn't tragic. "Tell me about the rabbits George."
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Jun 12, 2007 07:06
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clockworkjoe posted:"Tell me about the rabbits George." Lenny doesn't understand because he's severely retarded. Miko understands but has a messianic complex.
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farraday posted:Lenny doesn't understand because he's severely retarded. You just said yourself she doesn't have an awareness of what she's doing wrong, and that's why she wasn't tragic.
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Jun 12, 2007 07:14
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Lurdiak posted:You just said yourself she doesn't have an awareness of what she's doing wrong, and that's why she wasn't tragic. She doesn't have awareness that what she's doing is wrong, but she understands what she's doing. Lenny doesn't understand what he's doing, but he is aware that it's bad when things die. I do not feel the distinction is either hard to understand or slight.
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Jun 12, 2007 07:21
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Of course now that she's dead, will she end up meeting Roy? I loving hope not, I really want these guys to get back on the adventuring trail.
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I thought it was well done, and a bit sad, in the end. Sure, she didn't change, but the idea of someone so dedicated to a goal, no matter how selfish it is... wow. "Do I get to be a Paladin again." "No, Miko. You didn't really atone at all. Also, your legs are over there. It'd make things kinda tough." I did like that Soon didn't lie to her. Would have been pretty tempting to just tell a little fib to comfort her. As it is, he sugar coats what she actually accomplished. Sometimes I guess things just have to end in a mundane way. Besides it's D & D. If they REALLY want to, they can bring her back.
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Jun 12, 2007 08:10
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Bitch got loving split in half, whoo!
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NutShellBill posted:Besides it's D & D. If they REALLY want to, they can bring her back. Yea, I can't imagine that donation drive going well  I'm glad to see the bitch dead and gone though, especially when she went out so un-expectedly and in a nice, somewhat humanizing way. Was a pretty fantastic comic on the whole, and the most surprised I've been by a comic in a good, long while.
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Sergeant Rock posted:So what alignment do you guys think Miko was when she died? I don't know but it would make a good discussion on the duality of man.
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This also means that Belkar will be responsible for Roy's, V's or the Oracle's death based on elimination
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Arctic Baldwin posted:This also means that Belkar will be responsible for Roy's, V's or the Oracle's death based on elimination He was kind of already responsible for Roy's death! "Here, take my ring and go fight a twentieth (or more) level lich sorcerer one on one in midair." Edit: You guys, I just realized the staggering irony of Miko being chopped in half by the throne that she chopped in half. Ferrinus fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Jun 12, 2007 |
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Efreet saiid posted:Of course now that she's dead, will she end up meeting Roy? I loving hope not, I really want these guys to get back on the adventuring trail. Agreed. While I think the whole epic war saga has been great, I'm glad that its pretty much hit climax, since the majority of D&D is adventuring and treasure hunting, not grand-scale LOTR-esque battles. I hope Belkar keeps the head, though.
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People are saying that her death was meaningless because she didn't learn anything, but I think she did there, just for a few frames. She was told by the founder of her order why she was a bad Paladin, and rather than arguing, or deflecting blame, she just... accepted it, and indicated that she could deal with not being a Paladin. Clueless Miko would have argued up to the moment the x's appeared.
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Ferrinus posted:He was kind of already responsible for Roy's death! "Here, take my ring and go fight a twentieth (or more) level lich sorcerer one on one in midair." If that's what Burlew means, I am going to be very upset. I want that blood-crazed halfling to kill someone in a way that makes me laugh
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Wolfsheim posted:Eh, it was a nice end. Where did Miko really have to go from here? Either she descends further into insanity and becomes a Blackguard (predictable, cliche), continues being a self-involved crazy bitch (stagnant, repetetive) or has a crazy redemption and completely goes against everything she used to be (stupid, unrealistic). Sergeant Rock posted:So what alignment do you guys think Miko was when she died?
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Efreet saiid posted:Of course now that she's dead, will she end up meeting Roy? I loving hope not, I really want these guys to get back on the adventuring trail. Nah, cause Roy's chilling in the Lawful Good heaven that is probably off-limits to fallen paladins.
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MikeJF posted:People are saying that her death was meaningless because she didn't learn anything, but I think she did there, just for a few frames. She was told by the founder of her order why she was a bad Paladin, and rather than arguing, or deflecting blame, she just... accepted it, and indicated that she could deal with not being a Paladin. Clueless Miko would have argued up to the moment the x's appeared. Pretty much - Awful Miko would never have said "I can live with that" to anything.
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UberJew posted:Nah, cause Roy's chilling in the Lawful Good heaven that is probably off-limits to fallen paladins. Considering how strict their moral code is, I'd think Paladins have their own area anyway, so he probably won't even meet Soon.
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Jun 12, 2007 12:35
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*Que Return of the Jedi-like celebration*
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Sick_Boy posted:*Que Return of the Jedi-like celebration* no that was erfworld also queue
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Sick_Boy posted:*Que Return of the Jedi-like celebration* I have to say, if I were a mod, I would totally replace those asterisks with a question mark and an upside down question mark.
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