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Which feature would you prefer to have? 1080p @ 24p fps? or 1080p @ 120hz refresh rate? I've got two tv's I'm looking for for black friday, and that's basically the discerning feature as I can see it. One's a Sony W-series, the other is a Samsung, and the Samsung is $250 cheaper I think (same 40" size).
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wang souffle posted:Can anyone make a suggestion on the best Samsung line that Best Buy carries? Have a bunch of gift cards there that are burning a hole in my pocket. I'm leaning towards a plasma around 40"-46". Don't have any HD sources besides DirecTV and broadcast, but feel like getting 720p would be selling myself short down the line. I'll be watching a good amount of SD material, and have an HTPC so I'd like a good DVI input if possible. Minimal gaming lag is also important (which is a bitch to research). I've been reading through AVS for a long time, but now my brain is just fried and need someone to tell me what's best these days. Does it have to be Samsung? I don't think they offer any 42" 1080p plasma models. The Panasonic TH-42pz700u is the only 1080p plasma i know of that's under 50". It's a nice set. If it has to be a Samsung then i suppose look at the 65, 69, 71, and 81 model LCDs. Though only the 81 will be close to the plasma in terms of picture quality, and it will cost almost 3 times as much. Samsung's FP-T5084 is their 50" 1080p plasma and it's pretty decent, though not better than the Panasonic 50pz700u. Not many sets have DVI inputs these days. I just run my HTPC with a DVI->HDMI cable and it works great.
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eric posted:That will play HD movies just fine; I'm not sure if there would be any lag or not though. If you'll be using it as your primary TV I'd spend more and get something like this. Well, one, it's a gift, and two, I'm technically not supposed to know about it. It's my dads idea, and he doesn't know that I know. I was just thinking of using it as a primary TV until I can afford a bigger one. Then I's put this set in the bedroom and be done with it. As long as it can play movies and my games in 720 just fine, I'm satisfied. Thanks for the info.
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I'm considering buying the 42'' LCD Vizio from Costco, http://tinyurl.com/2lwy85 Does anyone own this Vizio or one like it? Whats the value like on this tv? Has it performed to your expectations? My requirements for a HDTV are that it must be between $900-$1200, be 1080p, support 1920 x 1080 resolution, and have at least more than 1000:1 contrast ratio. This seems to fit my budget and exceed requirements by having 1500:1 contrast ratio. cashmoney fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Nov 21, 2007 |
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edit: ^^^ Man, stop changing your post  ^^^cashmoney posted:I'm considering buying the 42'' LCD Vizio from Costco, http://tinyurl.com/2lwy85 I have it and love it. However, keep in mind the 1500:1 contrast ratio is the "dynamic contrast ratio" - whether that matters or not is up to you. The TV does great for gaming, and HD movies are wonderful. Keep in mind it maxes out at about 720p via VGA in, and many have complained about fuzzy text via HDMI. I am a very happy camper though! Walked fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Nov 21, 2007 |
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Nov 21, 2007 21:06
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Walked posted:I have it and love it. What got my attention right away is that in the details, it says it has a 8ms response time. Which is almost like my computer monitor, except my computer monitor has 2000:1 contrast ratio. I don't care to much about VGA at 720p because all I have for that would be my classic xbox. Which will become useless as a DVD player since my computer will be used for that stuff. Whats up with the fuzzy text though? Do you have fuzzy text on your screen? cashmoney fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Nov 21, 2007 |
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Nov 21, 2007 21:08
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cashmoney posted:What got my attention right away is that in the details, it says it has a 8ms response time. Which is almost like my computer monitor, except my computer monitor has 2000:1 contrast ratio. At 720p via VGA I do not get fuzzy text at all. People have complained that they get fuzzy text when running DVI -> HDMI at 1080p. Some have reported this can be corrected via video drivers, while others saying otherwise. I personally havent tried 1080p output via HDMI from a PC, so I have no clue if its an issue or not.
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Walked posted:At 720p via VGA I do not get fuzzy text at all. People have complained that they get fuzzy text when running DVI -> HDMI at 1080p. Some have reported this can be corrected via video drivers, while others saying otherwise. The only time I've seen fussiness on an LCD screen is when going from analog to digital. I guess with these DVI to HDMI cords, even though they're digital signals, the way they convert the signal is still sub-par. I wish these Vizio HDTV's had DVI inputs on them. cashmoney fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Nov 21, 2007 |
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Nov 21, 2007 21:41
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cashmoney posted:The only time I've seen fussiness on an LCD screen is when going from analog to digital. I guess with these DVI to HDMI cords, even though they're digital signals, the way they convert the signal is still sub-par. I wish these Vizio HDTV's had DVI inputs on them. The hypothesis a lot of AVSforums members seem to agree on, is not a conversion issue, but that vizio has an edge sharpness filter which causes the acute small edges of the text to fuzz out a bit. Again, I dont know for sure and havent seen it - other members have had no issue. If you buy from costco though, youve got 90 days to test for yourself, no questions asked. gently caress I sound like a sales person.
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Nov 21, 2007 21:45
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Fantastipotamus posted:Which feature would you prefer to have? Here's the Sony: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665116628 And the Samsung: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8251303&st=LN-T4066F&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1169512521072
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Krinkle posted:but as time goes on that KCTCSHSHHHSH every other channel change is really kind of grating on my nerves. It didn't happen with component. depending on the cable box and OS, you may be able to tell it what set of resolutions it should output; restirct it such that both 1080i and 720p aren't both enabled.e
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Fantastipotamus posted:Which feature would you prefer to have? Movies are traditionally shown in theaters at a (not really applicable but for the purposes of this discussion consider it) progressive 24fps. TV is traditionally shown at an interlaced 30fps. Traditional progressive-scan displays, 720p or 1080p, display at 60fps, and convert all content coming through to 60fps by de-interlacing if it's not already progressive. For the purposes of this explanation, consider fps/Hz interchangable terms. Math follows: 24fps movies shown on a 60hz display go through a process called 3:2 pulldown. To make the 24fps movie synch up with your 30 or 60fps display, you get frames repeated at off intervals, in the first 1/6 of a second: A,A,A B,B C,C,C D,D 4 frames of the film's 24 (or 1/6), and 10 frames of 60 through repetition for the display (1/6). Repeat 5 more times for your full second of video. It matches up, your display keeps going, and everything is almost imperceptibly jumpy on pans but otherwise you won't notice or care. 120hz/24p displays repeat the frames at even intervals, because 120 is the lowest common multiple of 24 & 30. In the first 1/6 of a second: A,A,A,A,A B,B,B,B,B C,C,C,C,C D,D,D,D,D 4 frames of 24 (or 1/6), 20 frames of 120 through repetition (1/6). Again repeat 5 more times to get your full second of video, again it matches up, but now there's no almost-imperceptible jumping created by the odd repetition. There's also interlacing errors that can be introduced through 3:2 pulldown, but they're generally nothing you'd care about very much. So that's a long way of saying: 24p / 120Hz are the same feature referred to by different names. Don't base your purchasing decision on that. Edit: hosed up my math. fahrvergnugen fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Nov 22, 2007 |
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Nov 21, 2007 23:23
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fahrvergnugen posted:explanation  I think I'm leaning towards the Samsung at this point, as it's $250 cheaper, which is most of an HD-DVD player. Plus, I think if I buy an HD player when I get the TV on friday it'll be $100 off, as well, which means I could have the TV and a 1080p Toshiba HD-DVD player for the price of the Sony. edit: oh, hmm.. It looks like I might have been looking at a different Samsung, this one appears to be 60hz refresh. Fantastipotamus fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Nov 22, 2007 |
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Nov 21, 2007 23:59
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fahrvergnugen posted:Movies are traditionally shown in theaters at a (not really applicable but for the purposes of this discussion consider it) progressive 24fps. TV is traditionally shown at an interlaced 30fps. Traditional progressive-scan displays, 720p or 1080p, display at 60fps, and convert all content coming through to 60fps by de-interlacing if it's not already progressive. not really. Lots of tv's will ACCEPT a 24hz signal and just convert it to 60hz. not all tv's accept 24hz. Just cause it says it supports 24hz doesn't mean it displays it properly like the 120hz screen would.
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Don Lapre posted:not really. Lots of tv's will ACCEPT a 24hz signal and just convert it to 60hz. not all tv's accept 24hz. Just cause it says it supports 24hz doesn't mean it displays it properly like the 120hz screen would. I haven't heard of a 24p-compatible display that still does 3:2 pulldown on the source. Got a few sets you can name?
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overshottoast posted:I have a question. My parents recently bought this LCD Westinghouse tv for themselves, as an anniversary present. I have a Westinghouse 27" and I know they're not all identical but I play Guitar Hero with 0 lag on mine. cashmoney posted:The only time I've seen fussiness on an LCD screen is when going from analog to digital. I guess with these DVI to HDMI cords, even though they're digital signals, the way they convert the signal is still sub-par. I wish these Vizio HDTV's had DVI inputs on them. With DVI to HDMI there is no conversion. Fantastipotamus posted:This is exactly what I was looking for, and I really appreciate that you took the time to explain it to me. If you're looking for an HD-DVD player check out the HD-A3 on Amazon, there's a special offer with free movies and some of their other players that do 1080p are qualified for the offer too and are about $100 off. big mean giraffe fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Nov 22, 2007 |
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I was looking to purchase a 21"+ HDTV mainly for use for an Xbox 360. I only really care about it being 720p, and I don't really have room for more than a 27" set. I have tried to research HD television but a lot of it still goes over my head. What I'm looking for a not too expensive set that can do 720p, has HDMI cables input, and can accept a coaxial cable to display non-HD cable without a cable box being near it. (The box is downstairs, I just have a coaxial running up through the wall and floor). I don't care about HD Television at all, as I usually just have the TV idle on for sound while I nap. If anyone could help me out with any suggestions I'd be most appreciative.
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big mean giraffe posted:I have a Westinghouse 27" and I know they're not all identical but I play Guitar Hero with 0 lag on mine. Is it a pretty good picture? Like, If I'm trying to play Assassin's Creed or something else in 720, would it look pretty awesome? I've been holding off buying a bunch of PS3 games (Uncharted, COD4, Ratchet, Orange Box) just because I want to be wowed when I get the HDTV. Sorry for the questions, but I'm just wanting to know because my mom basically told me so I WOULDN'T go buy an HDTV. They wanted me to keep my cash by buying me one, and I'm just trying to look into it, seeing as most of the websites its listed on have little to no reviews on it. Thanks.
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cashmoney posted:The only time I've seen fussiness on an LCD screen is when going from analog to digital. I guess with these DVI to HDMI cords, even though they're digital signals, the way they convert the signal is still sub-par. I wish these Vizio HDTV's had DVI inputs on them.
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overshottoast posted:Is it a pretty good picture? Like, If I'm trying to play Assassin's Creed or something else in 720, would it look pretty awesome? I've been holding off buying a bunch of PS3 games (Uncharted, COD4, Ratchet, Orange Box) just because I want to be wowed when I get the HDTV. I played some Eternal Sonata on it and it looks FANTASTIC. It's not going to look as great in dark dark scenes like a super expensive set but for the $320 it cost me I absolutely love it. You should see if you can throw some money in (but not let your dad know) and put it towards a name brand like a Samsung that's a couple hundred more though. There is a difference and you'll get a much better warranty. http://www.ecost.com/detail.aspx?edp=36822612 That's the TV I got just FYI. big mean giraffe fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Nov 22, 2007 |
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Nov 22, 2007 15:13
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Has anyone had any experience with this HDTV from HP? http://tinyurl.com/3beqb4 Its on sale on black Friday from Best Buy for $996 and I like the stats and the fact that it is 1080p.
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big mean giraffe posted:I played some Eternal Sonata on it and it looks FANTASTIC. It's not going to look as great in dark dark scenes like a super expensive set but for the $320 it cost me I absolutely love it. Yeah, thats the TV. My mom told me she wants me to hold on to my money, she wants it to be a straight gift from my dad to me. Also, what PS3 games do you think would look awesome on it (ones that aren't too dark)? I would go to my parents house with my PS3 and say "Hay guys, can I see what this looks like on your tv??" but I don't think that would fly 
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I've decided it's finally time to spend money on an HD set, and found this at costco. The price is insanely low, which makes me a little cautious, but if the tv delivers what it promises, it seems like this would be exactly what I want. This would be almost exclusively for gaming, as I don't watch tv. Anyone have any experience with the brand? Thanks for the input.
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Help me decide which of these TV's would be better... Samsung 32 inch (does 100hz) http://www.beyondtelevision.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=329 or.... Samsung 37 inch (1080p resolution) http://www.beyondtelevision.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=330 mainly for 360 gaming, and movies. I dont actually watch tv. Could I use either of these as a PC monitor through dvi-hdmi? (preferably info on using the 37 inch at 1920x1080?) I'm thinking fo buying one after Xmas, in the january sales, right after my birthday. Thanks.
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Hey there, anybody know which of these would be a better deal? Only difference it seems is that one is 1080p and one is 720p but being that it's only 42" will it be that big of a difference and worth the cost? Panasonic 42" Plasma 1080p (TH-42PZ77U) http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=191836 or Panasonic 42" Plasma 720p (TH-42PX77U) http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Panasonic-42-Plasma-HDTV-TH-42PX77U/sem/rpsm/oid/178595/catOid/-12869/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
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The 1080p panasonic you listed was $1199.99 at sears last week.
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I'm shopping for a new LCD HDTV today with a budget of $1600 after taxes/shipping. I want 1080p and a decent picture at either 42 or 46 inches (or close). I'm considering this and the 47" version of this which is $1499 but no shipping because it is in-store. Are there any other online deals I should consider? edit: went with this Drunken Lullabies fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Nov 23, 2007 |
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I'm personally looking into upgrading the TV in my room, currently a 27"ish CRT, SD, so on and so forth. I was looking into DLP, since it's the best size difference for the cost, but I'm a bit wary since I'm a heavy rhythm gamer as well. I mainly want to get one to play my 360 and Wii on in HD/ED respectively, but I'm scared that the upgrade is going to cost me the playability of the games I actually play the most. I have a few options in mind though, and I was wondering if I could get some opinions. So far as the TV I'd like to get, I'd like 1080i/720p compatible, inputs aren't really an issue since I'm OK with cableswapping. Decent size, maybe a 42" or something like that. (I saw a 57" on newegg for a decent price, which I'm thinking may be for the family living room sometime down the line, and that'd work fine considering there's no gaming going on in there for the most part.) 1) Get a lag-free DLP. From what I can tell, this suggestion is almost laughable, but it would be the easiest for me to work with. Does anyone have any idea which DLP sets will work best for older generation gaming? 2) Get an upscaler. Any word on one that isn't impossible to afford yet? I've heard of the iScan, but to be honest I'm looking into DLP because of the cost, and I can't afford to spend a grand and a half just to play my old games. 3) Keep my current TV but put it somewhere else, or get a small 480i flatpanel. The only issue with my first option here is the space issue, but I think I'd be able to work around that. However, does anyone know if there are still 480i flat panel screens being produced that would work OK for what I need? I' not entirely familiar with LCD and inherent lag, even when running at 480i, or even if the screen type supports that low of an input, but it'd be an acceptable option for me all things considered. Thanks in advance for the help!
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big mean giraffe posted:If you're looking for an HD-DVD player check out the HD-A3 on Amazon, there's a special offer with free movies and some of their other players that do 1080p are qualified for the offer too and are about $100 off. Grabbed this this morning after braving the crowd at the local BB. In line @ 3:20am, in the door at 5:05 am w/ reserve ticket (#7 of 12), paid by 5:10, out back loading by 5:15, home, installed by 5:40 or so.  Looks FANTASTIC. Even with just a good quality 480p DVD player running to it. HD channels through comcast are fantastic too. I won't say I'd like to brave the crowds every year on black friday, but for occasional big-ticket items, I might think about it.
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I'm looking into one of these for Christmas: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNT4671F-1080p-120Hz-HDTV/dp/B000U9ZCS6/ref=cm_ciu_pdpimg_prodinfo?ie=UTF8&s=electronics Can anyone tell me about there experience with them as far as watching films and gaming are concerned.
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I'm loving this 42" Toshiba LCD deal at Best Buy Canada: http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926HDS0010086199&logon=L&langid=EN The only thing I don't like about it is that it's listed as having no coaxial cable inputs. Does this mean I won't be able to watch cable without running it through my VCR and then using component inputs or something? I don't really care about the picture quality, just that I will be able to watch cable TV without purchasing a separate receiver.
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I've been looking for an HDTV and this one has been catching my eye: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bravia-KDS-60A3000-1080p-Projection/dp/B000TMFYBO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1195858910&sr=8-1 Is this TV worth it's price? Or should I instead be looking at LCD's or another brand that would be better? I'm trying to find a 60" for around $2,000. I'll mostly be using it to play Xbox 360 and Wii.
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Well I picked up the Sharp 46" LCD 1080p tv at CC today. Yay for being in debt even more than I need to be!
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phecke posted:Hey there, anybody know which of these would be a better deal? Only difference it seems is that one is 1080p and one is 720p but being that it's only 42" will it be that big of a difference and worth the cost? I have the 42PX77U and love it. It's a fantastic set, I sit about 7 feet from it. The anti-glare coating really helps - especially because I have a lamp directly across the room from the TV and it's on most of the time I'm watching TV. Without the coating I'd either have to turn the lamp off or move it. I wouldn't bother with 1080p at that size. My thinking was I'd get a 42 inch 720p set and let 1080p sets drop in price some more. In a few years, I'll move the 42 inch set to my bedroom and get a big 1080p set.
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Ty posted:I'm loving this 42" Toshiba LCD deal at Best Buy Canada: http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926HDS0010086199&logon=L&langid=EN Yes it has a coaxial input as well as a QAM tuner so you can watch unencrypted cable channels without a cable box. Here are the real specs: http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvd/product.asp?model=42HL167
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Syntaxed posted:I've been looking for an HDTV and this one has been catching my eye: The SXRDs are great for gaming. I have the original XBR1 model and haven't experienced any problems with lag even with a gamecube hooked up via composite. (It was butt ugly via composite so I would pick up the wii component cables if you haven't already.) You aren't going to find a flat panel in that size range for anywhere near $2000 so as long as you don't mind replacing a $300 lamp unit every 2-3 years it will be everything you want it to be.
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I've been looking into buy an HDTV for a while now (this thread helped a whole lot) and I think I found one I want to get at target: Magnavox 32" LCD HDTV - 32MF337B I am happy with the price and size, but I wanted to check here about the resolution before I made my final decision. It says in the description that it displays resolution up to 1080i. Does this mean that it can upregulate 720i(p) resolutions and display as 1080, or does it mean that it will pick up these channels and downregulate them to 480p? I spoke with a sales guy there, he didn't give me a clear answer that could satisfy me, but he did tell me that I would be better off waiting until late January-early February because TVs are always cheaper right before the Superbowl and they give a lot of deals on free shipping online. I don't have a problem with waiting until then for the TV since I am not getting digital cable and Xbox 360 until Christmas-early January. So I just wanted to see it this TV was worth the $700 (possibly less by the time I buy it) that I am going to pay for it. Does anyone have this TV, or any experience with Magnavox brand HDTVs? Thanks for any feedback, goons. Booties fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Nov 24, 2007 |
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Booties posted:I've been looking into buy an HDTV for a while now (this thread helped a whole lot) and I think I found one I want to get at target: Magnavox 32" LCD HDTV - 32MF337B The TV's native resolution is 1366x768 (720p). It can accept a 1080i signal but it will convert it to 720p. Off the top of my head I can only think of one 32" TV with a resolution of 1920x1080 made by Sharp. At that size 99% of what is available is 720p. I don't have any personal experience with that set. The specs are tolerable but there are better sets on the market. There are some sales in January but most TV manufacturers release their new models between June and August so that's when the older models get marked down the most.
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samurai slowdown posted:The TV's native resolution is 1366x768 (720p). It can accept a 1080i signal but it will convert it to 720p. Off the top of my head I can only think of one 32" TV with a resolution of 1920x1080 made by Sharp. At that size 99% of what is available is 720p. I can deal with it downconverting 1080i to 720p, as long as it doesn't go down to EDTV standards. I don't think I'll be shooting for anything better than this since my price limit is around $700, unless something close to it in price is obviously a better choice. As much as I'd like to get it for as cheap as possible, I just don't see myself waiting until Summer to get a new TV. Thanks for filling me in though, I'm glad to know the true resolution now
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Walmart is now selling the Sony Bravia Series http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=3996S Some of the prices are not listed at all others seem pretty good to my untrained eye. They also carry a brand called Vizio which I have never heard of. I've read some reviews online about that brand, but there is nothing like hearing first person accounts. http://www.news.com/The-secret-of-Vizios-success/2100-1041_3-6203488.html http://reviews.cnet.com/4504-5_7-0.html?tag=ksrch2_coco&x=57&y=10&id=32516724&id=32413025&id=32306254&id=32165930&id=32305879&id=32165929 CNET is giving their line high 6s and 7s. Let's say I have about $800.00 to spend on a tv I will be using for watching regular tv and sports, DVDs and Gaming. The gaming is very important to me. Even though I don't play the PS2 for hours like I used to, when I do play I want the full experience. When I'm gaming I'm probably sitting 5-6 ft away. For tv watching I'm more like 10 ft away Any recommendations for a novice like myself?
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