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MikeJF posted:Wait, that's not the initial assumption we were running with? Nah, I think it makes more sense to tag the monster as Neutral. It's pretty obviously a child of some sort...absuredly powerful but still just a child. It's really shown absolutely no desire to help Xykon out at all, and seems to have no interest at all in the gates or the snarl. If it was a baby snarl, you'd think it would know what's up. Plus it doesn't like to eat babies. There might be no proof that Tsukiko eats babies, but honestly it wouldn't surprise me.
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At this point I realy don't give a drat about the hidden monster, its gone on for so long its not even funny any more.
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It's quite obviously Neutral Stupid.
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Apr 17, 2008 18:12
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It got me to thinking; in this strip, Miko doesn't ping the monster as evil (before it puts her and her horse through the wall). Either it really isn't evil, or Miko (or Burlew) didn't think to Detect Evil on it.
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Apr 17, 2008 19:36
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IMJack posted:It got me to thinking; in this strip, Miko doesn't ping the monster as evil (before it puts her and her horse through the wall). Either it really isn't evil, or Miko (or Burlew) didn't think to Detect Evil on it.
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Apr 17, 2008 19:41
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O-Chul's a paladin. He can detect evil. I am guessing he would not hang out and share food with something of evil alignment!
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Apr 17, 2008 20:35
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It's entirely possible that something that powerful might just happen to have a non-detection aura. The ability to scry down it's location and deal with it by whipping up some sort of Wish or Miracle-based chicanery seems to be counter-intuitive to the level of Deus Ex Machina the thing's got going on.
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I'd prefer that it was never revealed and that it always just be The Thing in the Shadows/Box. It's funnier and less wanky that way. I mean, really, the urge to make everything in one's D&D story/novel/comic/whatever an Official D&D Monster is exactly the sort of thing that the coraltan is a mockery of. EDIT: Um, sorry; it occurs to me that most people never read Tales of Ravenloft. One of the short stories in that compilation is about a knight who goes out against the wishes of the cleric-patriarch of a small village to fight a vampire that is terrorising the town and the countryside. The vampire butchers him but gets torn up in the process, and goes to the cleric for healing... and it turns out that the cleric is an undead creature itself, which can disguise itself as a human. The story describes the cleric as transforming into its true shape, refers to it as a "coraltan", and doesn't describe what a coraltan is at all. It appears in no other source. So I take it as a swipe at gaming fiction which just says "Oh, they're fighting a Beholder" and doesn't actually explain what that is. Pope Guilty fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Apr 17, 2008 |
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Apr 17, 2008 21:48
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Hay new strip: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0550.html
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Apr 19, 2008 06:06
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Awwww....
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Apr 19, 2008 06:08
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So...it's probably Go, given the quasi-Japanese setting, but if it were Othello it would be an interesting bit of foreshadowing...
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Why have we suddenly got japanese honorifics, monster-san? And to stem any conspiracies- Right-eye is a character from Start of Darkness (where it also says that Xykon isn't his birth name- he changed it to something cooler, and Redcloak is a pseudonym- so it'd be easier for Xykon to remember).
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Apr 19, 2008 12:30
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What a heart warming strip. O-Chul's story is definitly the most interesting thing going on right now.
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Apr 19, 2008 12:51
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"You are learning it quickly ... very quickly." More fodder for those who believe the MitD (or Monster-San, if you prefer) is highly intelligent but innocent, instead of stupid.
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plastickiwi posted:"You are learning it quickly ... very quickly." I was thinking the same thing. Ignorant and Stupid are very different things, and I'm guessing Xykon and Redcloak are keeping the MitD the former.
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Apr 19, 2008 14:47
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Awwwwwww...  This is a really nice story. Except for all the torture and threats of massacring the innocent. 
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plastickiwi posted:"You are learning it quickly ... very quickly." And he can make it rain.
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It's probably just the way the tower is drawn rather than anything deliberate, but I like the idea that proximity to the unleashed rift is warping nearby architecture.
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Noonsaliwah posted:Why have we suddenly got japanese honorifics, monster-san? The pseudo-Japan location is where they came from. quote:And to stem any conspiracies- Right-eye is a character from Start of Darkness . I prefer to think that monster-san is a TLC fan, but can't quite remember the names.
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Gyges posted:I prefer to think that monster-san is a TLC fan, but can't quite remember the names. You mean Left-Eye Lopez? why the gently caress do I know that?
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evilsake posted:It's probably just the way the tower is drawn rather than anything deliberate, but I like the idea that proximity to the unleashed rift is warping nearby architecture. I think its just tha hobgoblins are bad at building towers.
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Gassire posted:And he can make it rain. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. Monster-san is learning the true meaning of friendship 
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Soonmot posted:I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. Monster-san is learning the true meaning of friendship Am I missing something obvious? Where'd it suggest that the creature made it rain? He seemed surprised to see it, and I don't think he'd fake that.
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Idran posted:Am I missing something obvious? Where'd it suggest that the creature made it rain? He seemed surprised to see it, and I don't think he'd fake that. It was the line, "just like you told me" that made me think something was up. I could well be wrong, but it seems way too coincidental that after trying to teach teh monster about real friendship, something like that just happens.
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It sounds to me like Monster-san was just commenting on the weather and on what his friend Mr. Stiffly had told him, I don't think there's anything suggesting that he caused the weather.
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rantmo posted:It sounds to me like Monster-san was just commenting on the weather and on what his friend Mr. Stiffly had told him, I don't think there's anything suggesting that he caused the weather. Yeah, agreed. If anything it seems more likely that it was the Twelve Gods doing this, and even more likely that it is just the weather, same as when the thunderstorm kicked up when Miko first appeared with the Order. I think you guys are reading into it too much.
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Apr 21, 2008 12:03
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If the Monster is just ignorant/young and not actually stupid, isn't it a terrible oversight for Xykon and Redcloak to leave him with the Paladin all the time? I mean, Xykon is the sort of person that might forget that or just do it for some sort of kick, but Redcloak seems to be on the ball.
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Ashcans posted:If the Monster is just ignorant/young and not actually stupid, isn't it a terrible oversight for Xykon and Redcloak to leave him with the Paladin all the time? I mean, Xykon is the sort of person that might forget that or just do it for some sort of kick, but Redcloak seems to be on the ball. As good of a leader as Redcloak is, I don't really see him understanding the distinction between "ignorant" and "stupid". He's kind of egotistical in a lot of ways.
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edit: double-post thanks to server issues 
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Most of the Start of Darkness revolves around Redcloak learning the hard way the difference between Evil and HOLY loving poo poo EVIL. He still tends to forget and develop an us vs them mentality. So while the monster is stupid but evil it's still evil, and Redcloak can't understand the huge difference in Lawful Good that separate paladins like Miko from paladins like Ochul who maybe painfully lawful but has a good bead on what Good should be, and is willing to befriend a monster who's been acting good despite being listed as evil. I'm sure Lawfulness will mess it up later but for now AWWWWWWWWWW
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Mylan posted:edit: my own theory: We're looking in the wrong place. I'm betting it's going to be a well known monster from some other setting, not D&D. Something from Lovecraft would suprisingly fit the bill (crazy powerful, people who've seen it in the light recoil in terror, etc.), but it's been given speech and dumbed down for comedic effect. Obviously, it's a son of 
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The hint about "no ones uses around here uses their real name" makes me think he could be a Mindflayer or a Beholder. I don't think he's something from out of D&D, I doubt the author would drop such a huge hint without having planned it.
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tripwood posted:The hint about "no ones uses around here uses their real name" makes me think he could be a Mindflayer or a Beholder. Obviously, the monster's from Earthsea.
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tripwood posted:The hint about "no ones uses around here uses their real name" makes me think he could be a Mindflayer or a Beholder. I think it's just another callback to Start of Darkness, how Xykon calls himself that because he wanted a name that started with 'X' and Redcloak calls himself that because Xykon nuked a lizardman for trying to give his full name and convoluted backstory.
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IMJack posted:I think it's just another callback to Start of Darkness, how Xykon calls himself that because he wanted a name that started with 'X' and Redcloak calls himself that because Xykon nuked a lizardman for trying to give his full name and convoluted backstory. Agreed again. Damnit, guys. Stop reading into it too much  Aside from the evil thing. I don't think we can say for definite that the monster is evil. Everybody who has met it, bar Right-Eye and his kids and O-Chul, seems to have just assumed it's evil because of either its horrific appearance or the fact it's hanging out with Xykon. Miko didn't Detect Evil it when she ran into it and it appeared that she just assumed it was evil. Maybe O-Chul has used Detect Evil and found that the MitD isn't evil. Or maybe it is. Who knows?
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Amused Frog posted:Maybe O-Chul has used Detect Evil and found that the MitD isn't evil. Nah. Part of the paladin's code is they can never knowingly associate themselves with evil beings. If he had dinged the monster as evil, it would take pretty much a huge alignment shift (for either party) before a paladin would say he's honored to be it's friend.
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Nosy_G posted:Obviously, it's a son of Rule #1 of Lovecraftian horror: "There's always a shoggoth."
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