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IanTheM posted:Well, it makes sense for a studio. But I think he was writing from an amateur perspective. Obviously what separates a studio from your apartment is the specialization and money going into it. I assumed studio because he said "I'm of the opinion that people who spend tens of thousands of dollars on all sorts of extra bullshit for their studios are idiots."
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May 10, 2008 19:51
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I'd suggest saying gently caress Fruity and using Live right off the bat. I found that Fruity tries way to hard to be "cool" to attract the new producer, and turns out to be really counter-intuitive once you figure out what you're doing and want to expand.Stux posted:I assumed studio because he said "I'm of the opinion that people who spend tens of thousands of dollars on all sorts of extra bullshit for their studios are idiots." I was referring to a personal thing, not a professional studio with clients and what-not, because most people refer to their own setup as their "studio". My bad for not clarifying. Sure, if you've got a huge budget pro studio, drop a quarter mil on an SSL. Not sure where to ask, but I'm going to post a bunch of records on CraigsList here soon, but don't know what to ask for them. quote:4 Strings - Until You Love Me Anyone have a ballpark estimate for the lot? Everything except maybe four or five are in excellent shape. PRADA SLUT fucked around with this message at 02:37 on May 11, 2008 |
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May 11, 2008 02:23
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Stux posted:I assumed studio because he said "I'm of the opinion that people who spend tens of thousands of dollars on all sorts of extra bullshit for their studios are idiots." Well, I guess its an investment/return type thing. If Madonna and Kanye West are frequenting your studio than I guess you have money to burn to have the best poo poo in the world. If you're on a budget than spending your money on that stuff is a waste no matter what. I'm not sure if I'm defending him anymore, I'm just saying it the way I see it. It's a business after all. Been working on a new house song, heavily sampling 2 bars of a 9 minute Herbie Hancock song but I'm not sure what direction to go with it:  I haven't started mixing it properly, so it'll probably sound substandard all coming from the same direction, but its a draft. Here's another more complete song, more to the hardcore electro side of things:  I can probably go easier on the amount of breakdowns, make it shorter and make greater use of the other riffs I had at the end there. Hopefully you guys will like some of it.
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May 11, 2008 02:46
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Heh, make no mistake - If I had the money I'd blow millions on a recording facility and on consultants to quickly show me how to use it all properly. But I don't so theres no point wasting time and energy thinking about it. I wouldn't spend like 10 grand on cables though. That type of thing is dumb. I'd spend most of it on a detached house with a floating room and acoustics that are so unbelievably amazing that a fart could get mistaken for the voice of a baby cherub.
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May 11, 2008 03:12
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Overbite posted:I really want to start making electronic music but I have no budget. I'm looking to get a sound like NIN, Gravity Kills, KMFDM, ect. I'm guessing I should get a midi controller and some software like Fruity Loops but my budget is around $150 at the max. I have all these ideas for music I want to make but I have no idea where to get started. don't forget about freeware and the like. there are free sequencers, free plugin hosts, free everythings - you name it. reaper seems like a decent place to start (http://www.cockos.com/reaper/) as your host. once you've got this the world of free plugins is your oyster - you can get a free plugin to do pretty much everything you've ever wanted and more. i'd just buy a midi controller in the mean-time and just get to it.
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May 11, 2008 04:33
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IanTheM posted:Well, I guess its an investment/return type thing. If Madonna and Kanye West are frequenting your studio than I guess you have money to burn to have the best poo poo in the world. If you're on a budget than spending your money on that stuff is a waste no matter what. I'm not sure if I'm defending him anymore, I'm just saying it the way I see it. It's a business after all. There are some very cheap DIY ways to improve the sound of a room and how much sound leaks out though. Personally, even though I only do poo poo in a bed room, when I next move I'm going to be choosing a room where I can have my desk in the middle of a wall and use some light treatment and sound proofing. You can get nice results for little investment.
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May 11, 2008 12:16
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How is this for a quick stab at putting together the basis an electro house track? I've got it past the intro up to where it kicks in so far, but only with a mid-range bass and drums at the moment.
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May 11, 2008 20:25
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squidgee posted:How is this for a quick stab at putting together the basis an electro house track? I've got it past the intro up to where it kicks in so far, but only with a mid-range bass and drums at the moment. Before it kicks in it's kinda lame, but the progression with the sidechaining's good. (that IS sidechaining right?) The only problem is it feels like its been done before, and it'd get annoying to listen to if you don't add something on to it.
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May 11, 2008 20:45
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IanTheM posted:Before it kicks in it's kinda lame, but the progression with the sidechaining's good. (that IS sidechaining right?) The only problem is it feels like its been done before, and it'd get annoying to listen to if you don't add something on to it. Oh, this is anything but done. It's just something I slapped together in an hour or two last night, and I wanted to post it to see if I was going in the right direction or if I ought to scrap it and start again. And yeah, that's some serious sidechaining. The number of effects and compressors I have on it right now is mindboggling for how simplistic the track currently is. Maybe I'll scrap the long intro and make it a much quicker punch to the open filter. The only reason I did that in the first place is that a long intro makes life so much easier when it comes to mixing the track. nah thanks fucked around with this message at 20:54 on May 11, 2008 |
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May 11, 2008 20:48
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http://www.zshare.net/audio/11872215f8030daa/ Made this a while ago, it'd be cool to get some feedback on it. It hasn't been totally mixed so it might sound a li'l off but it's pretty solid I think.
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May 11, 2008 21:16
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You don't actually need a MIDI controller to do anything. I'd wait to buy one until you're sure this is something you want to do. I didn't have one for months and I managed just fine.
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May 11, 2008 22:16
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blingasaurus rex, that track is pretty awesome. The only thing that really bothers me is the kind of melody that's constantly playing under it, the bass synth progression or w.e. It sounds out of key or, just somehow wrong and out of place with the really cool poinging and chopped up stuff over top of it. I would recommend removing, or at least changing the synth lead in the second part because it sounds really immature compared to the rest of the song, along with sounding exactly like a pre-set everyone's heard before in Reason (I'm pretty sure that's where I've heard it). On another note: Anyone know of a good free/cheap violin VST/AU? I want to experiment with some Chic-esque sounds, but sampling violins doesn't always give me the range I want to use.
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May 11, 2008 23:20
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blingasaurus rex posted:http://www.zshare.net/audio/11872215f8030daa/ What are you using for the lead that comes in at 2:32? I've been looking for that sound.
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May 11, 2008 23:47
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archie posted:don't forget about freeware and the like. there are free sequencers, free plugin hosts, free everythings - you name it. reaper seems like a decent place to start (http://www.cockos.com/reaper/) as your host. once you've got this the world of free plugins is your oyster - you can get a free plugin to do pretty much everything you've ever wanted and more. I tried to mess around in Reaper and had no idea how to even make a noise, but using Fruity Loops I was able to make a basic song right away. Still don't know how to get the sounds I want though, everything sounds too clean and dancy. Reaper looks better because it's cheap, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to use it.
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May 11, 2008 23:57
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Kai was taken posted:What are you using for the lead that comes in at 2:32? I've been looking for that sound. That's oscillator sync. I could come pretty near in 2 minutes with Pro-53 and Synth1.
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May 12, 2008 03:07
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Can the Mini-KP do the same things as a Kaossilator? Can they both be used to control a KAOSS Pad? I don't really understand the difference between the two. http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=KO1&category_id=2 http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=MiniKP&category_id=2
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May 12, 2008 03:12
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Yoozer posted:That's oscillator sync. I could come pretty near in 2 minutes with Pro-53 and Synth1. Give me a reasonably close setup for it and I'm going to try to hack it with what I've got to work with.
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May 12, 2008 03:23
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 See what you can do with that  .puntme posted:Can the Mini-KP do the same things as a Kaossilator? quote:Can they both be used to control a KAOSS Pad?  quote:I don't really understand the difference between the two. The Kaossilator makes sound by itself.
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May 12, 2008 14:16
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I've been wondering, while listening to SebastiAn's track Momy, when they/he mixed this down did he create two tracks for one sound and have one of them be the peak while the other act as its midrange, or does this normally happen when you're mixing and choosing which side of the speaker to come from? For the track, if you listen to the guitar to the begging its midrange comes from the right and only a peak of it comes from the left is what I mean. More importantly, anyone have some good mix-down tips/good guides?
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May 13, 2008 08:16
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Overbite posted:I tried to mess around in Reaper and had no idea how to even make a noise, but using Fruity Loops I was able to make a basic song right away. Still don't know how to get the sounds I want though, everything sounds too clean and dancy. Heres the basics to using reaper: To make a track right click on the bit on the left and make a track. The tracks can all use both midi and audio. Click the FX button on the track, then load up your instruments and effects. Click insert and then midi info or whatever it is, then draw in your notes. Hooray! Not completely accurate as its from memory but near enough. If you cant figure something out there is a wiki dedicated to repear on their website so have a look at that, has stuff about first time setup, midi controllers etc.
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May 13, 2008 16:48
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Hey guys, how do I go about getting the singing simpletext style poo poo in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey0hM5ZQzy4 OP said you need a mac? I have one lying around, how do i get simpletext to sing melodies? run it through autotune after chopping it up? seems complicated. I've got several years with computer audio and things of that nature, but havent been able to find this mystery program. Also is it what benassi uses? "love is gonna save us" is an awesome song, I wish i could recreate the vocals from it THONKS!
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May 14, 2008 04:22
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Siamey posted:Hey guys, how do I go about getting the singing simpletext style poo poo in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey0hM5ZQzy4 Funny this should come up, I'm actually working on a tune now with "Vicki." On OS X the text to speech program is in System Preferences -> Speech. However I'm pretty sure in that Cylob track (great tune by the way - remember buying the 12" some years back) he's just using a vocoder.
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May 14, 2008 06:31
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Siamey posted:Hey guys, how do I go about getting the singing simpletext style poo poo in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey0hM5ZQzy4 I'd just open Ventrilo and put something in the chat window for the TTS engine to speak, while looping back my system output to an armed channel. I don't know a lot about vocal processing like that since I don't use it myself, but most things are done with autotune and/or a vocoder.
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May 14, 2008 06:33
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Yea, figures. Thanks guys
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May 14, 2008 06:57
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I need help with Reason, Ableton and ReWire. I've figured out how to be able to play the Reason softsynth in Live, but I can't figure out how to configure MIDI in Live to utilize the Reason synth. Basically, I can record the straight audio from reason but I want MIDI not audio.
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May 14, 2008 17:21
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 I actually had no idea you could do this until you posted that so we both learned something today 
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May 14, 2008 18:34
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I think you have to manually nudge the audio you record a little bit because of the delay from re-wire recording, unless the autodelay can be set forwards.
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May 14, 2008 20:09
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You can set the Track Delay to a negative value, which will cause the track to play earlier than it normally would (pre-delay).
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May 15, 2008 02:04
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blingasaurus rex posted:
Thanks a ton, that makes life a lot simpler.
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May 15, 2008 19:10
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Ok. I love electronic music, everything from trip hop to dnb, techno, trance, industrial, experimental, everything. I want to mess around and create music of my own. Not shooting for anything great, just want to express myself through music. I don't really know what genre I'd be making, I just want to make some experimental stuff, some beats, I really dont know. How would one start out? Like, what stuff should I get, preferable inexpensive, just to mess around and kinda find out what I end up creating. I suppose then I can get more genre specific tools or whatever. I dunno. I also dunno how once I get whatever I need to get started, how exactly you start learning what to do. Um...so help me out I guess?
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May 17, 2008 20:06
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I've been gone for a while - school and DJing is taking up most of my time. But I've been listening to Oi Oi Oi by Boys Noize a lot lately and I've been wondering something - how does he make these sounds? I can understand how to program a sound like that, something like a sawtooth/square wave, open up the filter, compress it, distort it, right? However, how do you sequence something like that? Take the song Lava Lava - I think, given enough time, I could program that sound. But I have absolutely no idea how he sequenced it. It sounds to me like not only is he manipulating the pitch - making falls and stuff like that, but also the attack and release envelopes on a level I can't even begin to understand. Does he just micromanage it a lot, or is there some easier way I don't see? I just don't really get how everyone from that genre, Justice, Boys Noize, all the Ed Banger guys, work. Altoidss fucked around with this message at 07:36 on May 18, 2008 |
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May 18, 2008 07:34
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Altoidss posted:I've been gone for a while - school and DJing is taking up most of my time. But I've been listening to Oi Oi Oi by Boys Noize a lot lately and I've been wondering something - how does he make these sounds? I'm pretty sure he's playing with the glide option, I'm not sure if most synths have the option but I'm pretty sure that's how he's going about this.
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May 18, 2008 09:41
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unknown poster posted:How would one start out? Since you're completely undecided on anything else, for god's sake, specify a budget otherwise everyone's going to assume that you have more money to burn than sense. Since you're starting out, download every piece of demo software of each sequencer you can get your hands on. Make something. Don't ask, just go balls to the wall and try to wrap your brain around it; if that doesn't work, wrap it around your brain. Report back after 2 weeks. Why yes, I do sound like a dick, but seriously, it helps immensely if you just throw yourself at it. Postpone any difficult questions ("why doesn't it sound like on CD", "what plugin do I need to get sound X from") for later, you'll be surprised and frustrated at the answers. Altoidss posted:I can understand how to program a sound like that, something like a sawtooth/square wave, open up the filter, compress it, distort it, right? However, how do you sequence something like that? The glide effect isn't a glide - it's a pitch bend. Pitch bend moves the entire pitch of the entire sequence up or down in a fluid manner. Glide would be a fluid transition from note to note. It's also not a single wave; distortion and waveshaping is used. Filter overdrive can do a lot of nice stuff too. quote:It sounds to me like not only is he manipulating the pitch - making falls and stuff like that, but also the attack and release envelopes on a level I can't even begin to understand. Does he just micromanage it a lot, or is there some easier way I don't see? quote:I just don't really get how everyone from that genre, Justice, Boys Noize, all the Ed Banger guys, work. Laserjet 4P fucked around with this message at 12:16 on May 18, 2008 |
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May 18, 2008 10:18
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Altoidss posted:But I have absolutely no idea how he sequenced it. It sounds to me like not only is he manipulating the pitch - making falls and stuff like that, but also the attack and release envelopes on a level I can't even begin to understand. Does he just micromanage it a lot, or is there some easier way I don't see? It sounds like mostly glide as the previous poster said. And there at least a couple different similar or identical patches in there. If you do want to manipulate attack and release, obviously you can modulate them in any of several different ways depending on your synths, and also you can use sidechain compression. You can easily hear a compressor sidechained from the kick (or something else with the same pattern) working on the chords after about 2:00. The main thing to keep in mind about this genre of music is that there is little to no magic in the production work, it's all pretty simple poo poo that has just been taken to ridiculously exaggerated extremes. Don't look too hard for complex solutions.
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May 18, 2008 10:37
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Yeah, the Boys Noize lead in Lava Lava is glide and sidechain. The lead is 1 bar long and the first half bar doesn't use glide, but the second does. This could be automated, but it seems unnecessary, because you can set the glide to only work on overlapping notes (which is mostly likely what he did). Then he sampled that line and put it into the sequencer and cut it up into smaller pieces. When that was done he put a sidechain compressor on the track to make it pump like that. The envelopes are probably set to something like 0% attack, 0% decay, 100% sustain, 0% release, but the sidechain gives the impression of a complex ADSR-envelope
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May 18, 2008 14:17
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It's not rocket science if you have this, this, this and this. Also, ffs, glide and bend are not the same. Laserjet 4P fucked around with this message at 21:02 on May 18, 2008 |
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May 18, 2008 20:52
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Yoozer posted:It's not rocket science if you have this, this, this and this. Yoozer that is actually kind of awesome. Why you gots to be so good at this? Any chance you can assist in making an electro bass sound in Reason? I've been twiddling with Thor, and the best I've come up with is this (forgive the simple line, I just drew in some random notes to loop while I worked on the sound):  I can't get it to sound remotely right without a stack of Screams, and I still seem to be lacking aggression. Maybe I'm filtering it too much? nah thanks fucked around with this message at 21:28 on May 18, 2008 |
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May 18, 2008 21:25
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squidgee posted:Why you gots to be so good at this? .quote:I can't get it to sound remotely right without a stack of Screams, and I still seem to be lacking aggression. Maybe I'm filtering it too much? I can't get it more agressive than this, sorry  (order of connection is from top to bottom, mod matrix is hidden since there's nothing happening there).
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Yoozer posted:I'm going to be 30 this year and I've been playing with synthesizers since I was 13 Awesome, thanks! I'll give that a shot. Also nice to see I was apparently on the right track. This was what I had going: 
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