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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Shia LaBoeuf There is no right way to spell that name. I didn't mind the screaming.
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Stonefish posted:I'd be cool with that. I always figured they completely underutilised the "holy poo poo, the first four years of this show occured completely differently" thing. I wanted to see how Dawn got along with Angel or Faith or Dru or... I dunno, Amy or someone else who would have only met her when she didn't exist. There was potential for some pretty cool offhand comments about poo poo that never happened that would leave you wondering. It was Giselle Wikipedia posted:Cast
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Ain Paradisum posted:Seriously? She let her figure go after season 2, and got that trashy tramp stamp and I thought she looked far worse. Wow, you are a dumbass who has no idea what a real woman looks like. See, women have these things called curves. They occur at breast and hip-level. Woman are not meant to be sticks. Which isn't to say they should be fatties either, far from it, but Charisma Carpenter in seasons 2-5 of Angel was much hotter than she was in Buffy and season 1. You probably thought that Sarah Michelle-Gellar was hottest when she was half-anorexic in season 7? ETA: I gotta agree with you on the tramp stamp, though. God those things are terrible.
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Aug 3, 2008 17:28
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We need pictures for comparison. Let the people decide!
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Aug 3, 2008 17:29
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redshirt posted:We need pictures for comparison. Let the people decide! Alright.   Those two are from season 1-3 of Buffy.  Season 1 of Angel.  Season 2 of Angel...I guess this was when she was starting to "let herself go."  Her last appearance on Angel, as a guest star in season 5. Wow...what a chunker. How a fatty like that was able to pose in Playboy, I'll never know. Which reminds me, if you do a google image search with even moderate filtering turned on, all off the nude and semi-nude pictures of her you'll find are after she "let herself go."
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JoshVanValkenburg posted:this is unimportant to anything in the thread, but I just watched all of firefly, and i loved it! I'll support your Firefly talk! I'm always kind of sad to see firefly alums go on and do something else (Jewel, Summer, and of course Nathan), just like I'm always sad to see Arrested Development alums doing something else. I always wish for them to say some inside joke. On another note, I've had "On the Rise" from Dr. Horrible stuck in my head for two days now.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Has anyone ever seen this footage from Buffy: The Animated Series? I know they tried to make it happen a few years ago, but I didn't know they had actually animated anything: I got a Clerks the Animated Series vibe from that. That is a Good Thing by the way.
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Aug 3, 2008 20:39
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Tupping Liberty posted:On another note, I've had "On the Rise" from Dr. Horrible stuck in my head for two days now. First and last songs from Act 2, since the moment I saw them. drat, they're good. Clerks Animated was very hard to describe. I mean, isn't there a rule somewhere that says you can't do flashback humour in the FIRST EPISODE of your show? 
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Aug 3, 2008 22:06
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Well I've finally finished the entire 256 episodes of Buffy and Angel, and I'm thoroughly depressed that there aren't anymore. I felt that they were both started to peak in their later seasons. Buffy best episodes: Hush The Body Once More, With Feeling Selfless Chosen Angel best episodes: A Hole in the World Time Bomb Not Fade Away You're Welcome Orpheus Now I have to find something else to watch.
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whatsabattle posted:I got a Clerks the Animated Series vibe from that. That is a Good Thing by the way.
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Aug 4, 2008 09:30
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Stonefish posted:Clerks Animated was very hard to describe. I mean, isn't there a rule somewhere that says you can't do flashback humour in the FIRST EPISODE of your show? Second, and I always thought it was good, but not the second coming of Christ that Kevin Smith thought it was.
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Aug 4, 2008 15:16
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Patrovsky posted:Well I've finally finished the entire 256 episodes of Buffy and Angel, and I'm thoroughly depressed that there aren't anymore. I felt that they were both started to peak in their later seasons. It's good to see so much Angel season 5 love in your post, because believe me I agree in that it's the best, but there were some EXCELLENT episodes in earlier seasons. Spin the Bottle for instance is probably one of the funniest things I've seen on tv, and even as early as season one there was some greatness. Hero was so good, and even if the circumstances surrounding it were a little less than desirable, Doyle's death scene was sooooo good. I also enjoy the early Wes/Cordy interactions (particularly "What's a rogue demon?" and their laugh at the Buffy/Angel relationship) because she's such the perfect foil to him. I kinda wish they'd spent more time on their interactions in You're Welcome because it really was a cool dynamic.
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Aug 4, 2008 15:23
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cool kids inc. posted:It's good to see so much Angel season 5 love in your post, because believe me I agree in that it's the best, but there were some EXCELLENT episodes in earlier seasons. Spin the Bottle for instance is probably one of the funniest things I've seen on tv, and even as early as season one there was some greatness. Hero was so good, and even if the circumstances surrounding it were a little less than desirable, Doyle's death scene was sooooo good. I particularly enjoyed the Fred/Illyria arc (as if it isn't obvious) - A Hole In The World was incredibly depressing, and easily my favourite episode by a long shot. You're Welcome was a great callback to Cordelia's earlier seasons in the show, before all the Beast/Jasmine crap went down. I did enjoy season four a lot, but I felt the connections between the two villains felt a little tenuous, as if the theme suddenly changed halfway through. Both arcs are great on their own, but linked, they're a lot weaker. But the character death episodes were all fantastic. The show did great character deaths. Differently handled to the Buffy deaths, but that's not to say that the Buffy ones were poorly handled. Just...different.
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Tupping Liberty posted:I'm always kind of sad to see firefly alums go on and do something else (Jewel, Summer, and of course Nathan), just like I'm always sad to see Arrested Development alums doing something else. I always wish for them to say some inside joke. Adam Baldwin's also doing "Chuck" nowadays, but he remembers his roots (or at least the writers do). There's an episode where he's showing Chuck his brand new Crown Vic, and he's telling him about the badass super-spy features it has. Chuck: "Shiny." Casey (Baldwin): "drat right it's shiny!" 
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Aug 4, 2008 17:00
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DrBouvenstein posted:Delicious images of Charisma. Agreed. I'm gay and even I can tell you Charisma is a stunningly gorgeous woman. She even managed to look great while preggos. In early Buffy, Cordelia was just typical hot. But on Angel, she really started to shine because she was the lead female of the show (no more worry over how she looks compared to boring SMG).
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Aug 4, 2008 18:35
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DivisionPost posted:There's plenty to argue about on whether or not the show's in trouble (answer: it's a Whedon show, of course it's in trouble) Of his three shows that have been on TV so far, one of them went 7 seasons, another 5, and both were getting kind of stale when they ended. Firefly is one of those like-it-or-hate-it things, but the failure of that one is pretty much all on Fox. Now Bryan Fuller, that's a guy whose shows are doomed to die before their time.
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Stonefish posted:Clerks Animated was very hard to describe. I mean, isn't there a rule somewhere that says you can't do flashback humour in the FIRST EPISODE of your show? I don't know, that always got a laugh from me.
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Aug 4, 2008 19:54
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MacBook Air Gamer posted:I don't know, that always got a laugh from me.
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Aug 4, 2008 21:56
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Cocks Cable posted:preggos loving DIE.
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Patrovsky posted:I did enjoy season four a lot, but I felt the connections between the two villains felt a little tenuous, as if the theme suddenly changed halfway through. Both arcs are great on their own, but linked, they're a lot weaker. Which two villains? The Beast and Jasmine/Cordy? quote:But the character death episodes were all fantastic. The show did great character deaths. Differently handled to the Buffy deaths, but that's not to say that the Buffy ones were poorly handled. Just...different. Personally, I would have liked to have seen a bigger character's death in Buffy Season 7. Willow would have been a logical choice, but alas, instead we got Anya's blink-and-you-missed-it demise. I'm with you with the episode "Selfless", but I think "Chosen" is a shaky story with a lot of plot holes and deuces all machined up.
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redshirt posted:Which two villains? The Beast and Jasmine/Cordy? Yes, the Beast and Jasmine. With the Beast we've got all this darkness and gloom, and the Beast is supposedly being controlled by someone else, and then the true mastermind is revealed, and her motive is about world peace, and it doesn't really make sense that she'd use all that doom and gloom if there was another way to achieve it. With the Chosen love, I'm a real sucker for series finales. It doesn't matter how contrived they are, as long as they've got a bit of an epic feel, I'll love it. I'll agree though, Anya's death did suck, especially seeing as she was my favourite character. I was listening to the commentary though, and Joss noted that Anya was the only main character he could kill (barring Spike, I guess) and still have it qualify as a happy ending. Anyone else, and Buffy would just be depressed.
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Patrovsky posted:Yes, the Beast and Jasmine. With the Beast we've got all this darkness and gloom, and the Beast is supposedly being controlled by someone else, and then the true mastermind is revealed, and her motive is about world peace, and it doesn't really make sense that she'd use all that doom and gloom if there was another way to achieve it. We could look at also as the show presented it, which was the Beast was her henchman for a while, following her commands, doing her bidding, and then getting taken out by Angelus -- which was perhaps his real role in her plot. Who was to be Jasmine's final bad guy before her birth. She went through a bunch (Skip was another; one assumes there were many more). The two are clearly connected from the start in that Cordy goes to Connor's "birthplace" at the precise time the Beast comes crashing out of the Earth. He clearly makes eye contact and it could be argued acknowledges her, and most importantly, does not instantly kill her. Connor should have been more suspicious of this, but alas... Connor. Ultimately, with Jasmine's hypno power o'love, it did not really matter how she came about, as long as she came about. What came before was quickly forgotten by her new subjects, and if she had succeeded, would have been erased for all time. I personally think everything major Connor did, the Beast did, and Cordy did in Season 4 were parts of a magic spell designed to bring about Jasmine. But that's just a theory.
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redshirt posted:I see where you're coming from. To answer, we could take a character's answer - Jasmine said it was all "birth pangs": labor pains in giving birth to a God. Maybe this is true, but Jasmine is an unreliable witness in this, and so much else.
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Patrovsky posted:Oh, I understand how the whole thing went down, and how seasons 1 - 4 were supposedly leading up to it, but I felt that the themes felt really disimilar, which made the transition between villains a little jarring. Ah. Yes, they were quite different. I loved that though -- the very feel of the show changed for the short reign of Jasmine. I mean, the show was always dark, and for most of Season 4 it was super dark. Then Jasmine comes and everything is indeed Shiny. It was jarring thematically, on purpose. To contrast this false peace with the struggle of everyday life. As in, there won't be the magic happy ending, but rather you forge your happiness day by day, fighting for it. Or something. I'm sure there are dozen of ways of interpreting the same events.
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Patrovsky posted:With the Chosen love, I'm a real sucker for series finales. It doesn't matter how contrived they are, as long as they've got a bit of an epic feel, I'll love it. I'll agree though, Anya's death did suck, especially seeing as she was my favourite character. I was listening to the commentary though, and Joss noted that Anya was the only main character he could kill (barring Spike, I guess) and still have it qualify as a happy ending. Anyone else, and Buffy would just be depressed. Andrew.
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SecretFire posted:Andrew. He wasn't really a main character though.
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Patrovsky posted:He wasn't really a main character though. Neither was Anya by season 7 
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Patrovsky posted:He wasn't really a main character though. Yeah, but his death would have made it a happy ending no matter what
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does anybody else think spike is one of the goddamn funniest characters ever? especially in season 5 of Angel. "...in a meeting Spike." "Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't care." gets me every time. Also, the one episode in an earlier season where he is on a rooftop staring at Angel talking to some person and he mocks the conversation is one of the funniest things i've ever seen.
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Low Key Liar posted:does anybody else think spike is one of the goddamn funniest characters ever? especially in season 5 of Angel. Yes. His season 5 interactions with Angel are fantastic. For posterity: Spike: It's bollocks, Angel! It's your brand of bollocks from first to last. Angel: No, you can't ever see the big picture. You can't see any picture! Spike: I am talking about something primal. Right? Savagery. Brutal animal instinct. Angel: And that wins out every time with you. You know, the human race has evolved, Spike! Spike: Oh, into a bunch of namby-pamby, self-analyzing wankers who could never hope to... Angel: We're bigger. We're smarter. Plus, there's a thing called teamwork, not to mention the superstitious terror of your pure aggressors! Spike: You just want it to be the way you want it to be. Angel: It's not about what I want! Wesley: Sorry. Is this something we should all be discussing? Angel: No. Wesley: It just sounds a little serious. Angel: It was mostly... theoretical. We... Spike: We were just working out a - Look, if cavemen and astronauts got into a fight, who would win? Wesley: Ah. You've been yelling at each other for 40 minutes about this. [pause] Wesley: Do the astronauts have weapons? Spike, Angel: No.
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my favorite is from Not Fade Away Angel: This may come out a little pretentious, but… one of you will betray me. *Spike raises his hand* Angel: Wes. Spike: Oh… can I deny you three times?
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dimeat posted:^^ drat it beaten Just thinking about seeing or even hearing Nick Brendon, Alyson Hannigan, and Tony Head together again, or in more forms, makes me wish the cartoon had been bought. On a related note, I still miss Kitchen Confidential (not just for the Xander-esque fix, but that was nice).
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SecretFire posted:Andrew. It always bothered me that he killed Jonathan in cold blood and basically his punishment is to be tied to a chair for a couple episodes. I mean, even Willow was given more grief for her murder. Patrovsky posted:I particularly enjoyed the Fred/Illyria arc (as if it isn't obvious) - A Hole In The World was incredibly depressing, and easily my favourite episode by a long shot. "There's a hole in the world. Seems like we should have known about this." is one of my favorite lines in the whole series.
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DrBouvenstein posted:Wow, you are a dumbass who has no idea what a real woman looks like. See, women have these things called curves. They occur at breast and hip-level. Woman are not meant to be sticks. Which isn't to say they should be fatties either, far from it, but Charisma Carpenter in seasons 2-5 of Angel was much hotter than she was in Buffy and season 1. Way to come across as the biggest overreactionary human being alive. It's a shame that you didn't actually care about reading between furiously pounding your chest in nerd rage over someone not having obviously jacked off so vicariously to your she-god. I said it started happening between seasons 2 and 3, and you post a picture from a scene not only from season 2, but also one she said she "worked out extra crazy for the month leading up to it" on the commentary.  From Buffy season 1.  From between seasons 2 and 3 of Angel. If you're seriously not seeing that as letting yourself go then you're an even more pathetically obsessed fan than I imagined. I'm not even going to bother with screenshotting how much chubbier she got in season 3.
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Which way do the pictures run again? I can't tell.
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Stonefish posted:Which way do the pictures run again? I can't tell.  Sexy.
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You are objectively an awful person and everything that's wrong with goons. I never liked Spike, I dunno. I always saw him as a one-trick pony, and I felt like by S7 he had worn out his welcome. And I still dislike how he was Buffy's bitch in S7 and then coincidentally he gets to have the heroic death, while one of Buffy's critics dies alone. Writers 
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Spike and Angel had an outstanding adversarial dynamic. And when you find out they slept together back in the day it all starts to make sense.
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EccoRaven posted:And I still dislike how he was Buffy's bitch in S7 and then coincidentally he gets to have the heroic death, while one of Buffy's critics dies alone. I love Spike when he's not being so Buffy obsessed, but with the Buffy criticism, I felt that Anya's line about Buffy being luckier than everyone else instead of just better pretty much summed up how much of a self-important twit Buffy could be. Thus, it's one of my favourite lines of the series.
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LividLiquid posted:Spike and Angel had an outstanding adversarial dynamic. And when you find out they slept together back in the day it all starts to make sense. what? are you just making poo poo up or did i miss something?
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