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Chinaman7000 posted:I just finished You're Welcome and I have a question. Cordi was apparently never woke up, but still somehow Angel and his crew beat Lindsey. Do the other AI guys remember Cordi waking up, or did Angel hallucinate it and beat Lindsey in another way, or something else? If it's answered in the later episodes then just say that, but after the shock of the ending I felt confused. I think she says something about calling in a favor from the Powers. My guess is they gave her a temporary, corporeal body so she could help Angel and get him back on track, but when it was over the body disappeared and her soul went back to her real dying body. To me that's the simplest explanation since she interacted with all the characters and the environment.
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Now working my way through season 5 of Buffy, and yet again, questions arise that, if thought about too much, make you enjoy it less. Glory needs the key to bridge the gateway between dimensions and rule over her own world. The monks decided to keep her from Glory by sending her to The Slayer in the form of a sister, so that she'd love it and do everything in her power to keep it safe (they lucked out on that one. History is full of some sets of siblings just not getting along at all. Cain and Abel, anyone?) The knights, on the other hand, feel the best way to keep Glory from having the Key is to destroy it, which in this case means killing Dawn. If the Key is destroyed, Glory can never have it. You know...I gotta side with the knights on this one. Why didn't the monks just destroy the key? Or, if they felt it was too valuable, would making it into a tiny grain of sand at the bottom of the ocean be a better choice? Let's see Glory find it then.
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Aug 28, 2008 01:25
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DrBouvenstein posted:Why didn't the monks just destroy the key? Or, if they felt it was too valuable, would making it into a tiny grain of sand at the bottom of the ocean be a better choice? Let's see Glory find it then. if they did that, we wouldn't have the awesome character of dawn, who is a fan favorite and a great, not at all annoying character. 
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Aug 28, 2008 01:36
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Great points that cannot totally be discounted. The Knights bugged me too till I realized it's not about the practicality of killing Dawn or not, but rather Buffy's commitment to life -- other people's lives, truly and completely. She is the Slayer - a Killer - but she proves she is more by not killing Dawn, and rather sacrificing herself. It may be stupid - for instance, if Glory gets the key and destroys our world with Dawn dead too, what's the point? Except never accepting the notion that the ends justify the means, and killing Dawn, for whatever worthy reason, is still killing an innocent person, for nothing she did. How's that work?
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Aug 28, 2008 01:38
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And now I'm just starting to watch "The Body," and I feel really bad for Brian. The guy that went on a date with Joyce and even sent her flowers. Can you imagine the ribbing his friends must have given him? I mean, drat, a woman dies to avoid a second date with you? There's no getting over that.
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Aug 28, 2008 03:56
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Crimson Chin posted:Just watched the musical episode for the first time in a few years. Man, I'd forgotten how awesome Once More, With Feeling is. It's inventive, gives an interesting in-show explanation for all the singing, and serves as a clever way of bringing some important plot points to a head. Plus Joss is a pretty talented songwriter, less-than-subtle sexual innuendo notwithstanding.
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Aug 28, 2008 10:16
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DrBouvenstein posted:And now I'm just starting to watch "The Body," and I feel really bad for Brian. The guy that went on a date with Joyce and even sent her flowers. Considering that Joyce's exes seem to consist of an evil robot, Buffy's deadbeat Dad, and OK, once or twice with Giles, he probably wasn't that big of a loss. Considering that he's a 30-40 something guy dating in Sunnydale, I'm willing to bet even money that he was probably a horrible demon preying on divorcees.
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Aug 28, 2008 10:22
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Patrovsky posted:In the season 6 episode where Dawn inadvertantly gets them all trapped in the house, there's a brief exchange after Halfrek shows up: That's not as less  than realizing that Anne, the teen shelter worker on Angel, used to be one of the vampire worshiping goths that Buffy saved from Spike & co., and then was the homeless girl in L.A. that Buffy helped out when she ran away from home.
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Aug 28, 2008 10:43
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Yeah, she stole Buffy's middle name, remember? Seven years, from first to last appearance on the show. That's a pretty good run. Seth Green still wins though. 1992-2000. He was on for longer than Angel was.
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Aug 28, 2008 11:02
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Stonefish posted:Yeah, she stole Buffy's middle name, remember? Seven years, from first to last appearance on the show. That's a pretty good run. I thought his scene in the original movie was cut.
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Aug 28, 2008 11:04
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Stonefish posted:Yeah, she stole Buffy's middle name, remember? Seven years, from first to last appearance on the show. That's a pretty good run. Depends on how you count the Buffyverse. Harmony and Angel lasted from the Buffy pilot to the series finale of Angel, so they had a bit of a longer life than characters like Anya. For real fun, I saw an episode of 'Married With Children' the other day where a young David Boreanaz was dating Kelly Bundy, and got on Al's badside. It was a bit bit weird seeing Angel getting his rear end kicked by Al Bundy. thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Aug 28, 2008 |
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Aug 28, 2008 11:34
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You mean to say Boreanaz acted before he got the role as Angel? I shudder to think how that would have been.
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Aug 28, 2008 14:49
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Stonefish posted:Yeah, she stole Buffy's middle name, remember? Seven years, from first to last appearance on the show. That's a pretty good run. You are assuming that Seth Green's character in the movie was Oz. He probably wasn't, and he got vamped anyway so it doesn't really matter either way.
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Aug 28, 2008 14:53
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Stonefish posted:You mean to say Boreanaz acted before he got the role as Angel? yeah, but that was his only role before buffy. (on t.v. at least)
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Aug 28, 2008 17:27
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thrakkorzog posted:For real fun, I saw an episode of 'Married With Children' the other day where a young David Boreanaz was dating Kelly Bundy, and got on Al's badside. It was a bit bit weird seeing Angel getting his rear end kicked by Al Bundy. I think this just shows how much of a badass Al Bundy is.
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Aug 28, 2008 19:10
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redshirt posted:Great points that cannot totally be discounted. Well the whole thing was meant to be a parallel to the end of season 2 where she had to kill Angel to stop another hell portal from opening and it almost destroyed her, so she was not willing to make that sacrifice again.
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Aug 29, 2008 03:47
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The other thing to consider is that those knights were pretty loving stupid. They had Brad Bellick in command ffs.
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Aug 29, 2008 05:22
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Only tangentially on topic but what's with J August Richards and playing lawyers? His character ended up becoming one on Angel and then his next two shows, Conviction and now this new Raising the Bar have him playing lawyers as well.
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Aug 29, 2008 06:34
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muscles like this? posted:Only tangentially on topic but what's with J August Richards and playing lawyers? His character ended up becoming one on Angel and then his next two shows, Conviction and now this new Raising the Bar have him playing lawyers as well. He was asked that during Conviction. During Angel S5 he found he had a talent for memorizing legal terms with ease and he really got into law practice as a hobby/ I guess he actually studies law books in his spare time.
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Aug 29, 2008 07:01
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Huh, I was expecting it more to be "I like to wear suits" or something more inane.
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Aug 29, 2008 07:17
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Rhyno posted:He was asked that during Conviction. During Angel S5 he found he had a talent for memorizing legal terms with ease and he really got into law practice as a hobby/ I guess he actually studies law books in his spare time. Hmm. Maybe the Senior Partners really did hook him up.
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Aug 29, 2008 17:22
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http://www.tv.com/tracking/viewer.html?tid=89434&ref_id=12&ref_type=101&tag=story_list;title;4 Did the comics turn out to be what Joss was talking about there?
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richardfun posted:http://www.tv.com/tracking/viewer.html?tid=89434&ref_id=12&ref_type=101&tag=story_list;title;4 most likely, yes. 2 years later and we only have the comics.  (that are good. well, buffy at least is good.)
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Aug 30, 2008 18:42
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Low Key Liar posted:most likely, yes. 2 years later and we only have the comics. I figured, but I was just asking since that article mentions SMG returning, which implies a video experience of some kind, tv or otherwise.
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Aug 30, 2008 19:23
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richardfun posted:I figured, but I was just asking since that article mentions SMG returning, which implies a video experience of some kind, tv or otherwise. she probably would return if given the chance since her movie career is pretty much non-existent.
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Low Key Liar posted:she probably would return if given the chance since her movie career is pretty much non-existent. True, but I'd be more interested in some more Angel than Buffy. I feel like the latter has pretty much run its course. Anybody wanna fill me in on specifics of the aftermath of Angel? How that big battle at the end of Season 5 continued in the comics? I'm not a big comic reader but I'd like to know how they wrapped it up.
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richardfun posted:True, but I'd be more interested in some more Angel than Buffy. I feel like the latter has pretty much run its course. Anybody wanna fill me in on specifics of the aftermath of Angel? How that big battle at the end of Season 5 continued in the comics? I'm not a big comic reader but I'd like to know how they wrapped it up. yeah, i agree. buffy has run it's course but Angel never got the chance to finish as for the aftermath (for a general overview of the comics), The dragon switched sides, everybody survived(well, in some form or another), the senior partners sent all of LA to hell, Gunn is a vampire, Angel is human (not Shanshu human, though), wesley is a ghost-type still in service to the senior partners.
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Low Key Liar posted:The dragon switched sides, everybody survived(well, in some form or another), the senior partners sent all of LA to hell, Gunn is a vampire, Angel is human (not Shanshu human, though), wesley is a ghost-type still in service to the senior partners. Also, Connon, Gwen and Nina are all back. Connor remembers everything, but since it's a comic book, he's less annoying than usual. Gunn and Angel are currently fighting, and Gunn just discovered Angel is human again.
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Low Key Liar posted:yeah, i agree. buffy has run it's course but Angel never got the chance to finish So, everybody goes to hell? Gunn is the evil kinda vamp? What do you mean exactly that Angel is human, but not shansu (I know about the prophecy, but what kinda human is he then, and how did he get that way?
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richardfun posted:What do you mean exactly that Angel is human, but not shansu (I know about the prophecy, but what kinda human is he then, and how did he get that way? Wolfram and Hart made him human when they took LA to Hell because they knew that Angel would need his super Vamp powers the most there (to help out all the LA citizens getting terrorized by demons and the like)
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Aug 30, 2008 21:09
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MacBook Air Gamer posted:Wolfram and Hart made him human when they took LA to Hell because they knew that Angel would need his super Vamp powers the most there (to help out all the LA citizens getting terrorized by demons and the like) So he fights demons as a human, in Hell, and lives on? That seems like a bit of a stretch 
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richardfun posted:So he fights demons as a human, in Hell, and lives on? That seems like a bit of a stretch He's survived so far with a mix of magic( healing rituals, and a glamour to make everyone think he's still a vamp), his reputation, and the demons not wanting to offend the senior partners by killing him before they want him to die.
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Gassire posted:He's survived so far with a mix of magic( healing rituals, and a glamour to make everyone think he's still a vamp), his reputation, and the demons not wanting to offend the senior partners by killing him before they want him to die. Just kind of hard to imagine Angel as a 'duck and cover' kind of guy
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Aug 30, 2008 21:56
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richardfun posted:Just kind of hard to imagine Angel as a 'duck and cover' kind of guy Except he's really not. He acts like he still is the same old champion we saw in the TV show, kinda like how he was in "I Will Remember You" when he became human but still went after the Mohra Demon.
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Don't forget that Illyria and Fred keep "switching" if that's the right word.
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Patrovsky posted:Don't forget that Illyria and Fred keep "switching" if that's the right word. It's common knowledge that Whedon intended to split Fred and Illyria in season 6.
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Aug 31, 2008 05:07
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Rhyno posted:It's common knowledge that Whedon intended to split Fred and Illyria in season 6. I never heard that.
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Aatrek posted:I never heard that.
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LividLiquid posted:For what it's worth, I did. Several times. And that Wes would be back. I heard that if they had had a season 6, Wes wouldn't have died, so it isn't really that he would have been back
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Patrovsky posted:I heard that if they had had a season 6, Wes wouldn't have died, so it isn't really that he would have been back
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