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redshirt posted:For no good reason, I'd like to list all the vampires we saw in the tv shows from strongest to weakest. There were a lot of vampires. Didn't we already do this? It might have been in the last Joss mega-thread we had, though...oh, and it was everyone we've seen, not just vamps. I guess the thing to ask is this: Are we going with just pure, raw strength, or are we factoring in their knowledge and skills at fighting and weapons? And something I always found odd...Kakitos was a really old vamp, so old he has...cloven feet and hands? The Master and the Prince of Lies were also really old, but they look more like bats/Nosferatu/Ubervamps. Why is this?
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So I finally stopped being lazy and watched Dr. Horrible. At the end.. Is it that he achieved all these things, but was actually dead inside. Or was the final montage supposed to just be in his imagination/not real at all?
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Oct 9, 2008 20:17
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BlueBayou posted:So I finally stopped being lazy and watched Dr. Horrible. The former.
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Oct 9, 2008 20:19
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DrBouvenstein posted:Didn't we already do this? It might have been in the last Joss mega-thread we had, though...oh, and it was everyone we've seen, not just vamps. Perhaps Kakitos was a demon who got vamped? Or, there are different lineages of the vampire virus - one more bat like, one more ram like. I wish Kakitos wasn't a one-off villain. He had a lot of potential. As for the vamp list... 99. The Gorch Brothers (BTVS Season 2: Bad Eggs)
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Oct 9, 2008 23:51
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redshirt posted:
I was thinking something along those lines. On Angel, when he goes to Lorne's home land and is full demon he looks nothing like the Master or Kakistos, so I'm thinking there are various different demon hybrids that transfer the same way. Eventually they turn into different looking things.
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Oct 10, 2008 00:02
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cool kids inc. posted:I was thinking something along those lines. On Angel, when he goes to Lorne's home land and is full demon he looks nothing like the Master or Kakistos, so I'm thinking there are various different demon hybrids that transfer the same way. Eventually they turn into different looking things. Yeah, that's great evidence towards this theory -- Angel's appearance as a "full" vampire in Pylea. However, I don't think this is without counter theory, for example - the different elements of Pylea may have simply caused the vampire virus to react differently. The fact that Angel can walk around in the suns of Pylea indicates the vampire virus (and I think it works best if you think of Vampirism as a virus) behaves quite differently in this world/dimension. Fun to think about!
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Oct 11, 2008 00:58
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Is the first season of Angel generally regarded as not being that good? I'm about halfway through it now, and I'm just not into it. I think I even liked the first season of Buffy better, and that was goofy as hell. I've heard people say the later seasons are amazing. When does it start to get good?
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Oct 11, 2008 01:06
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The first season is rather taken up with being Not-Buffy. It starts to sort itself out towards the end and then gets properly underway, so to speak, in the second. Bear with it, you'll be singing its praises soon enough.
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Oct 11, 2008 01:10
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Season one had overly depressive Angel, which annoyed me. Once they started to realize that and joke about it, it got better.
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Oct 11, 2008 01:21
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FabioClone posted:Is the first season of Angel generally regarded as not being that good? I'm about halfway through it now, and I'm just not into it. I think I even liked the first season of Buffy better, and that was goofy as hell. Its not bad but they are trying to be "case of the week" which isnt the best episodic "mode" for those characters, they eventually go to making the stories being about their characters rather than a case near the end and its much better for it.
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Oct 11, 2008 01:42
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redshirt posted:Yeah, that's great evidence towards this theory -- Angel's appearance as a "full" vampire in Pylea. However, I don't think this is without counter theory, for example - the different elements of Pylea may have simply caused the vampire virus to react differently. The fact that Angel can walk around in the suns of Pylea indicates the vampire virus (and I think it works best if you think of Vampirism as a virus) behaves quite differently in this world/dimension. I figured it wasn't so much that the Pylea universe worked differently, but rather our sun (Sol) was blessed to burn the dead way back in the day. Every other star in this universe and every other might not do it. Personally, I'm more interested in learning who the hell empowered humanity with the passive sanctuary. Vampires not being able to enter houses and such. That's quite a trick we've got going.
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Oct 11, 2008 13:36
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Stonefish posted:I figured it wasn't so much that the Pylea universe worked differently, but rather our sun (Sol) was blessed to burn the dead way back in the day. Every other star in this universe and every other might not do it. That'd pretty much have to be true, come to think of it. After all, Vampires can go out on starry nights, but even a single tiny beam of direct sunlight no matter how small makes them burst into flames.
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Oct 11, 2008 13:56
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Idran posted:That'd pretty much have to be true, come to think of it. After all, Vampires can go out on starry nights, but even a single tiny beam of direct sunlight no matter how small makes them burst into flames. You know, when people try to come up with theories about the mechanics of the Buffyverse, it makes me smile, half because they're ridiculous and putting way too much thought into these things, but half because the theories are often well-explained and interesting.
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Wilikai posted:Also, I just realized that sunlight reflected off of the moon doesn't seem to hurt them. I wonder how that fits into people's theories. Well, indirect sunlight during the day doesn't seem to hurt them either, like standing near an open window but out of the direct line of sunlight, so it's probably the same principle there, I'd imagine. quote:You know, when people try to come up with theories about the mechanics of the Buffyverse, it makes me smile, half because they're ridiculous and putting way too much thought into these things, but half because the theories are often well-explained and interesting. Indeed. Some of them get silly, yeah, but some of them fit together so well that you almost have to think Joss and the rest of the writers actually already thought of it and it just never came up on-screen.
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Oct 11, 2008 14:14
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I remembered that I read once some explanation from Joss about why Master and Kakistos look like they do, and I found it again here:quote:Kakistos is so old his hands and feet have become cloven. Joss Whedon says, "Kakistos was OLD, that causes the clovenness. Remember the Master? He looked like a bat — a LOT like a bat (with fruitpunch mouth). The idea is that the older they get, the more animalistic — but not necessarily the same animal. They devolve. That's my theory."
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Idran posted:Well, indirect sunlight during the day doesn't seem to hurt them either, like standing near an open window but out of the direct line of sunlight, so it's probably the same principle there, I'd imagine. I remember one episode where Spike was standing next to a warehouse wall during the middle of the day but was still in shade. When the other characters came up to him, they freaked out to see him during daylight. He also gave the 'only direct sunlight hurts' talk.
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Oct 12, 2008 02:06
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6x03 - After life. and it leads into "Well I haven't been to a hell dimension as of late, but I know a thing about torment" "I was happy" bit that absolutely kicks the poo poo out of you and leaves you broken. Educational and dramatic as hell. then of course, there was that "flame-o-gram" Angelus sent way back when. explain that one 
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Oct 12, 2008 11:57
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Stonefish posted:then of course, there was that "flame-o-gram" Angelus sent way back when. explain that one  For a vast majority of "Why did the Buffyverse do/have/look like X?" questions, I'm betting that was the answer at the time, even if they came up with other explanations later.
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Oct 12, 2008 17:01
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Stonefish posted:I figured it wasn't so much that the Pylea universe worked differently, but rather our sun (Sol) was blessed to burn the dead way back in the day. Every other star in this universe and every other might not do it. quote:Personally, I'm more interested in learning who the hell empowered humanity with the passive sanctuary. Vampires not being able to enter houses and such. That's quite a trick we've got going. The sanctuary idea you reference is a good one, as this entire dimension is presented as a sanctuary for humanity, and any and all demon presences are either infections (vampires) or rare invasions - consider the lengths Jasmine had to go to physically manifest in this dimension.
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great link reviewing applicants for the Evil League of Evil. GO PICKLE JAR! http://www.tilzy.tv/top-five-dr-horrible-evil-league-of-evil-applicants.htm plus, Nathan Fillion NAILS YOUR WIFE http://www.spike.com/video/pg-porn-pg-porn/3041858
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Wilikai posted:Also, I just realized that sunlight reflected off of the moon doesn't seem to hurt them. I wonder how that fits into people's theories. I've always assumed that vampires are harmed by Ultraviolet light. To follow this, I have to assume reflected sunlight's ultraviolet strength is diminished enough that it doesn't harm them. Same with very distant light sources (stars). Pylea's sun simply didn't radiate on the ultraviolet spectrum.
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Oct 16, 2008 22:47
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mobn posted:I've always assumed that vampires are harmed by Ultraviolet light. To follow this, I have to assume reflected sunlight's ultraviolet strength is diminished enough that it doesn't harm them. Same with very distant light sources (stars). Pylea's sun simply didn't radiate on the ultraviolet spectrum. If that was the case, and honestly can't say that is isn't but, you'd think someone would have make an ultraviolet flashlight like they had in Blade.
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Oct 16, 2008 23:18
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mobn posted:I've always assumed that vampires are harmed by Ultraviolet light. To follow this, I have to assume reflected sunlight's ultraviolet strength is diminished enough that it doesn't harm them. Same with very distant light sources (stars). Pylea's sun simply didn't radiate on the ultraviolet spectrum. I love this theory. Awesome Buffyology! But heavy skin block should work, then, right?
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Oct 17, 2008 01:25
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redshirt posted:But heavy skin block should work, then, right? Blankets are cheaper.
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Oct 17, 2008 02:16
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Cast Iron Brick posted:Blankets are cheaper. More restricting, however. A nice healthy application of spf 1000 would allow Vampires to enjoy the beach and other places filled with tasty people.
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Oct 17, 2008 02:31
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redshirt posted:I love this theory. Awesome Buffyology! Eyeballs, hair and so forth...
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rejutka posted:Eyeballs, hair and so forth... sunglasses (a certain Rayban commercial comes to mind), hats, so forth...
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mobn posted:I've always assumed that vampires are harmed by Ultraviolet light. To follow this, I have to assume reflected sunlight's ultraviolet strength is diminished enough that it doesn't harm them. Same with very distant light sources (stars). Pylea's sun simply didn't radiate on the ultraviolet spectrum. That doesn't work, because everything that emits any noticeable amount of visible light also emits some amount of UV and infrared, because of the way emitters work. Light bulbs don't because the glass from the bulb blocks the UV light radiated from the filament, but even a fire does, and we've definitely seen that just having a fire nearby won't make a vampire burst into flames the way daylight does. Some fire detectors even use UV light as well as infrared, because some materials when burnt put off a lot more UV than IR. There's basically nothing the sun emits that's noticeable from Earth that you don't find somewhere in the environment of Earth as well, so it pretty much has to be magic.
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Gorilla Salad posted:I remember one episode where Spike was standing next to a warehouse wall during the middle of the day but was still in shade. He really just isn't afraid of it at all.
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Oct 17, 2008 06:55
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Finally bought Firefly after an old friend demanded 3 years ago I watch it and showing me the first disc of the set. I've just finished episode 11 and have been getting progressively more unhappy that I've almost watched all there is to see. As if there weren't enough reasons to dislike Fox 
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FadedReality posted:Finally bought Firefly after an old friend demanded 3 years ago I watch it and showing me the first disc of the set. I've just finished episode 11 and have been getting progressively more unhappy that I've almost watched all there is to see. As if there weren't enough reasons to dislike Fox I know what you mean. A friend left Firefly at my house and I decided to watch it in desperation as there was nothing else to watch. I was immediately hooked and rationed the show to make it last as many weeks as possible, finally culminating in me watching Serenity last night. I'm so sad there's nothing new for me to see now. And I read that Serenity bombed in theatres so I'm guessing there goes any hope of any follow up movie, even of the straight to video kind. (This is somebody's cue to correct me)
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Oct 19, 2008 20:52
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I'm rewatching season 7 of BTVS now, but I have a question. Seeing as how she died at the end of season 5, shouldn't there be a third slayer somewhere? Like when Faith was called because of her temporary deadness?
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Oct 19, 2008 21:43
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richardfun posted:I'm rewatching season 7 of BTVS now, but I have a question. Seeing as how she died at the end of season 5, shouldn't there be a third slayer somewhere? Like when Faith was called because of her temporary deadness? faith didn't die, so there was still a slayer.
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Oct 19, 2008 22:27
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richardfun posted:I'm rewatching season 7 of BTVS now, but I have a question. Seeing as how she died at the end of season 5, shouldn't there be a third slayer somewhere? Like when Faith was called because of her temporary deadness? Well, when Buffy died at the end of season 1, Kendra was called. Kendra died in season 2, so Faith was called. Buffy dying a second time didn't call another slayer.
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Easiest way I think of it is that since there was only meant to be one Slayer at a time, they can only pass their powers on once (because presumably up till now, the Slayer only died once). When Buffy dies in S1, she passes the powers onto Kendra. Then when she revives, she still has Slayer powers, but since she's already passed them on, she can't do it again. When Kendra, the active Slayer dies, she passes it onto Faith. I think Joss had a different explanation having to do with the nature of Buffy's second death, but I think this one covers the bases better.
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Idran posted:That doesn't work, because everything that emits any noticeable amount of visible light also emits some amount of UV and infrared, because of the way emitters work. Light bulbs don't because the glass from the bulb blocks the UV light radiated from the filament, but even a fire does, and we've definitely seen that just having a fire nearby won't make a vampire burst into flames the way daylight does. Some fire detectors even use UV light as well as infrared, because some materials when burnt put off a lot more UV than IR. It works fine because the sun is HUGE and emits a gazillion times more UV light than a camp fire. It's not simply exposure, but saturation that fucks up vampires.
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bobaclone posted:I'm so sad there's nothing new for me to see now. And I read that Serenity bombed in theatres so I'm guessing there goes any hope of any follow up movie, even of the straight to video kind. (This is somebody's cue to correct me) IIRC it didn't do THAT bad in the theaters. It obviously didn't find and keep legs like the Batman movies did, but it wasn't a colossal failure. Anyway, I don't think it was expected to be a huge success in the theaters. Movies like that never do all that great in theaters. They make their money in DVD sales. For example, Serenity was an HD-DVD Launch title. That definitely says something about it. Unfortunately though, I don't really think it did well enough to generate a sequel (although rumors keep popping up every once in a while).
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Drei posted:Easiest way I think of it is that since there was only meant to be one Slayer at a time, they can only pass their powers on once (because presumably up till now, the Slayer only died once). When Buffy dies in S1, she passes the powers onto Kendra. Then when she revives, she still has Slayer powers, but since she's already passed them on, she can't do it again. When Kendra, the active Slayer dies, she passes it onto Faith. No, that's all correct; you get one chance to pass it on in your life, at the point of your death. What Joss's added complication was was that when they resurrected Buffy, the second life she got pulled the line back to her, which was meant to have screwed everything up and allowed the First to see a way to gently caress with the line. Unfortunately, they apparently dropped that storyline. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Oct 20, 2008 |
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Psimitry posted:IIRC it didn't do THAT bad in the theaters. It obviously didn't find and keep legs like the Batman movies did, but it wasn't a colossal failure. Anyway, I don't think it was expected to be a huge success in the theaters. Movies like that never do all that great in theaters. They make their money in DVD sales. For example, Serenity was an HD-DVD Launch title. That definitely says something about it. In theaters, it did badly, though I wouldn't go so far as to say terrible. It had a budget of 40 million, and came in at just shy of 39 million worldwide, and that doesn't factor in promotion or advertising costs. For an in-genre comparison look at Star Trek Nemesis: 60 million budget, 67 million worldwide. Note that this was a) better than Serenity's showing, and b) bad enough to kill the TNG movie line even if they had wanted to continue with it. And Firefly is nowhere near the established figure that Star Trek is. Serenity's showing wasn't Titan A.E. bad, though (75 million dollar budget, 36 million worldwide - oh and it also killed the studio). While it almost certainly didn't lose the studio any money (hard to say since the budget number doesn't factor in advertising & promotion, and the worldwide number doesn't factor in DVD or other revenues), a studio would be insane to greenlight a second theatrical movie. For a 40 million dollar budget, they will be looking for significantly more than 'a very modest profit once we factor in absolutely everything'. Good DVD sales might lead to, at best, a direct-to-DVD sequel done on the cheap, and even that I would call fairly unlikely. The franchise has failed twice, in two different formats already, and I can't honestly imagine a third iteration improving on that. Edit: poo poo, that came off a lot harsher than I intended it, I'm not trying to poo poo on the show/movie, but when you crunch the numbers, it's hard to put a positive spin on things. Toilet Terror fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Oct 20, 2008 |
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