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LeosBoots posted:And then, a myserious blonde woman slays all the demons and claims that payment is to be made to a man in black... This would be the glory. This is the only way Berserk should end.
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Oct 13, 2008 05:36
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Oh poo poo. I just got that now. I guess I haven't been keeping up on that one lately 
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Oct 13, 2008 05:43
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To be fair, he should have said "silver-eyed woman." That would have made it way more obvious.
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Oct 13, 2008 06:22
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Gvaz posted:Oh poo poo. I just got that now. I guess I haven't been keeping up on that one lately Sindai posted:To be fair, he should have said "silver-eyed woman." That would have made it way more obvious. OK, that's it. Unless you guys are animu-nerding it up with cross-references, I'm gonna have to re-read the first 32, or whatever, volumes. I've forgotten most of what's gone on in this comic now.
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Oct 13, 2008 07:10
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Andrigaar posted:OK, that's it. Unless you guys are animu-nerding it up with cross-references, I'm gonna have to re-read the first 32, or whatever, volumes. I've forgotten most of what's gone on in this comic now. It's a reference to Claymore. Claymore is a manga that is very close to Berserk and, although it has a lot less of hardcore stuff like rape and torture, it's also very dark and completely lacks any comic relief (i.e. no silly floating elf). There's a lot of cross-references and jokes between Claymore and Berserk because of their similar dark fantasy themes. At any rate: The main character of Claymore is a Silver-Eyed Blonde woman.
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Oct 13, 2008 07:21
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I gave Claymore a five chapter chance and just couldn't get into it. I wanted to like it because everyone talks about how good it gets, but it just felt like Berserk Lite.
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Oct 13, 2008 08:21
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Claymore got a lot, lot better when it stopped pretending to be like Berserk and decided to basically just be a shounen fighting manga with a good amount of twists every few chapters. Until you've read up until volumes 3 or 4 (the Theresa flashback arc), you haven't really seen what Claymore's all about. It's not going to win any literary awards for its plot but its a pretty fun story with lots of limb-removing action, and the artwork goes from  with huge foreheads everywhere to some pretty awe-inspiring designs, especially with the Awakened Beings. They might even give Griffith's patented two page spreads a run for their money. Claymore is also fun because it takes the M. Night Shyamalan approach by having as many twists as possible and ultimately is only concerned with getting to the next big fight.
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Oct 13, 2008 14:02
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I don't know why, but I've always imagined a happy ending to Berserk with Guts defeating Griffith/God Hand and having Griffith revert back to an infant state. Thus, a new beginning for Griffith and a child for Guts and Caska. Of course, Guts could just crush him with his sword and all would be okay as well.
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Oct 13, 2008 14:09
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Yes, because Guts and Caska have totally forgiven Griffith for raping Caska in front of Guts causing him to tear off his own arm and then inhabiting the body of their dead baby. Does anyone else still remember that? Sorry, but I guess as a girl it seemed more traumatic to me. Then again, we all know that rape is never a big deal (or not as big as it should be) in manga. He also shouldn't be forgiven for massacring the Band of the Hawks. It wasn't just the fact that they were Guts and Griffith's friends, it was the fact that they were his main reason for climbing up to where he was in the first place, AND they rescued him from torture prison. Who's to say he's not going to do it again? It's just my opinion that Griffith is WAY beyond redemption, and the Eclipse seemed like Miura's way of showing the readers that "Hey, this guy is now the antagonist and there is NO GOING BACK." I want Caska to be the one to kill Griffith. Guts should at least give her that honor. 
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Oct 13, 2008 14:49
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I agree. Griffith is far beyond redemption. There should be no forgiveness. Griffith made a blood sacrifice out of loyal soldiers and raped the woman who'd trusted him and cared for his broken body. Out of jealousy, he tried the break one man whom he couldn't control. gently caress Griffith.
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Oct 13, 2008 15:04
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Simply put, the people who still see the good in Griffith, after knowing what he's done, are the people who would be first to join his army and worship him if they were born on Berserk's world. I think Miura's selling the antichrist-charisma thing a bit too well.
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Oct 13, 2008 16:10
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Zackarotto posted:Simply put, the people who still see the good in Griffith, after knowing what he's done, are the people who would be first to join his army and worship him if they were born on Berserk's world. Thats why its going to be even sweeter when Guts shows up and takes a poo poo on everyones world. The only way this will end well is when Guts chops him in half
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Oct 13, 2008 16:55
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Seriously you people hoping for a happy ending are insane. You're getting "less miserable" if you're lucky. in 2056 Also yeah, Claymore does get a lot better after a few volumes, and keeps getting better from there. Anyone that was interested but dropped it early should at least go to the flashback. I'm not sure how closely I'd tie it to Berserk, though, besides the obvious superficial stuff.
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Oct 13, 2008 20:21
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Zoolooman posted:I agree. Griffith is far beyond redemption. The type of ending I was wanting was more ambiguous. Raping Casca and sacrificing the BoH was terrible, but what if he made that decision knowing that he would gain the power needed to create a better world? I like seeing how people grapple with the "do evil to do good" idea. I mean, the BoH was only a few hundred soldiers. What do they matter in the larger scheme of things? I'm certainly not on his side, but I hate lining things up as strictly good and evil. Given the way he's been building Griffith lately, however, I'm not too optimistic about this happening. Either way, I'm expecting an ending that will at least be satisfying on some level. You know. In a decade or so. Maybe.
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Oct 13, 2008 22:35
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Corkus just wanted some pussy mang
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Oct 13, 2008 23:56
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TooManyUzukis posted:The type of ending I was wanting was more ambiguous. Raping Casca and sacrificing the BoH was terrible, but what if he made that decision knowing that he would gain the power needed to create a better world? I like seeing how people grapple with the "do evil to do good" idea. I mean, the BoH was only a few hundred soldiers. What do they matter in the larger scheme of things? I'm certainly not on his side, but I hate lining things up as strictly good and evil. Maybe I can buy him sacrificing soldiers for a better world. However, raping a loyal soldier who only cared for him to spite his former best friend for not being his manservant is not a requirement. He was already Femto at that point anyway! There was no other purpose than fulfilling pure sadistic tendencies.
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Oct 14, 2008 04:43
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LeosBoots posted:Maybe I can buy him sacrificing soldiers for a better world. However, raping a loyal soldier who only cared for him to spite his former best friend for not being his manservant is not a requirement. He was already Femto at that point anyway! There was no other purpose than fulfilling pure sadistic tendencies. I suppose most of the reason I'm pulling for an ending that doesn't just have Griffith go *hurk*dead is that he is such a good character, at least before he became this untouchable god-being. From Guts' departure to the Eclipse we saw some seriously good character development for Griffith, and I want to see that continued. The Golden Age arc was what sold me on Berserk (I was anime-first inductee), mainly because of the Guts-Griffith relationship. I guess it's hardly surprising I'd want to see even more growth in this area. Instead, we got stuck in the same goddamn city for umpteen chapters.
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Oct 14, 2008 05:10
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I never really saw Griffith as a protagonist, even during the Golden Age. From the very beginning he was a manipulative and childish megalomaniac. The Guts-Griffith relationship was really more like "Guts, since I believe that I own you, go fight this battle. But you're kind of interesting because you don't think I own you, so hang out with me afterwards. But I still own you. Wait, where are you going?" At this point in the series, Griffith thinks he's God. There's not much development you can do after that. His character is just standing around, looking pretty and doing neat things to make people follow him. His expression didn't even change after he saw Guts after the Holy City arc. It was just kind of an "I'm God. What are you going to do about it? Kill me? Come loving try." exchange.
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Oct 14, 2008 12:58
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LeosBoots posted:I never really saw Griffith as a protagonist, even during the Golden Age. From the very beginning he was a manipulative and childish megalomaniac. The Guts-Griffith relationship was really more like "Guts, since I believe that I own you, go fight this battle. But you're kind of interesting because you don't think I own you, so hang out with me afterwards. But I still own you. Wait, where are you going?" I never really thought of him as a protagonist either, but he certainly does develop a lot after Guts "breaks" him by leaving/beating him. He is kinda of untouchable now, which is disappointing. I kind of look forward to the Griffith sections of chapters, if only because I hold out a vain hope that he'll finally stop being just a pretty picture with the words "Bad Guy" hung over his head and start being a CHARACTER again.
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Oct 14, 2008 15:05
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You can't look at everything griffith has done and not want guts to just poo poo on his parade. That sort of satisfaction might not make a happy ending, but as long as griffith gets what's coming to him, it's a "happy ending" in my book.
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Oct 14, 2008 16:28
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TooManyUzukis posted:I never really thought of him as a protagonist either, but he certainly does develop a lot after Guts "breaks" him by leaving/beating him. He is kinda of untouchable now, which is disappointing. I kind of look forward to the Griffith sections of chapters, if only because I hold out a vain hope that he'll finally stop being just a pretty picture with the words "Bad Guy" hung over his head and start being a CHARACTER again. I think he looks like an antichrist archetype and is still an interesting character.
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Oct 14, 2008 16:51
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Zoolooman posted:I think he looks like an antichrist archetype and is still an interesting character. Can you imagine the look on everyone's faces when Griffith, their lord and savior, claims the world for the God Hand? And with the knowledge that they were all complicit in signing their lives over to demon gods? So good.
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Oct 17, 2008 03:01
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Tupperwarez posted:The Ultimate Betrayal is going to be so good. When Griffith defeats Ganishka, he is literally going to be regarded as God on Earth by all his followers. He will be incapable of wrongdoing, free to do as he wishes as long as the people 'feel safe.' I agree, I've actually been waiting for this moment for over a year now. But seeing as we only get about 5 chapters a year now, I suppose we'll both be waiting another year or longer.
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Oct 17, 2008 03:22
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Jimmybob posted:I agree, I've actually been waiting for this moment for over a year now. But seeing as we only get about 5 chapters a year now, I suppose we'll both be waiting another 10 years or longer. A minor fix. I'm just freakin happy that were getting a chapter on the 24th. And has there been any evidence that Griffith is really going to just flip the bird to the world and sacrifice everything. To me my impression was that he was going to fulfill his dream and take a kingdom of his own. I think a more interesting direction would be that Guts "kills" Griffith and the whole world sees or knows that Guts did it, and we get to see Griffith's evil form descend and start loving poo poo up. All while Guts fights to protect the world that now blames him for the current disaster affecting the world.
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Oct 18, 2008 00:10
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Cowboy posted:A minor fix. I'm just freakin happy that were getting a chapter on the 24th. And I quote Slann "This [eg, the swamp that the Trolls and other horrors from the Spirit World were coming out from] is only the beginning, the world will be consumed in a Dark Age" and other wonderous things saying how the world is going to get raped by the God Hand. We don't know how, other then that the Apostles have been doing stuff and there's been more monsters then there've been before, and all of a sudden Griffith reincarnates right before Slann goes out of her way to tell us how hosed everything is. Coincidence? Doubtful.
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Oct 18, 2008 02:27
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Well, with the whole "demon world and our world overlapping" thing, I always thought of the original eclipse, the one where Femto is born, was the catalyst for that. So I am guessing that Griffith is going to be the one to bring about the whole "New Dark Age" that Slann was talking about. I'm betting that him fulfilling his dream is just apart of the grand scheme of things really. Either way it is going to be very interesting... ...in 10 years.
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Oct 18, 2008 02:39
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God dammit, Miura is as slow as George R.R. Martin. I last checked this thread shortly after 297 was released, and today I thought "Hey, there's probably some new issues out by now, I should get caught up." ... ...  At least he's younger and less likely to die before finishing his story...maybe... insaine posted:Well, with the whole "demon world and our world overlapping" thing, I always thought of the original eclipse, the one where Femto is born, was the catalyst for that.  I could be entirely wrong, but in my mind all of this makes sense. The "real world" is being overlapped with the "fantasy worlds;" this is why the fairly realistic (as in, not a lot of magic and whatnot) setting of the early Berserk issues is become more, well, fantastic. The various lines about the end of "this world's logic" and such reinforce this, I believe, as does much of what Schierke and the older witch say when they're going to hunt the trolls. But I don't think Griffith/Femto is directly responsible. I think the direct kickoff is the Apostle from the second eclipse, the "Egg of the Perfect World." He hated reality, which had treated him horribly, and wanted life to be more like a fantasy - it was his actions at the second eclipse that shifted the world and started the overlap with the other realities. That's my take on it, at least.
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Oct 18, 2008 03:42
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Kylaer posted:But I don't think Griffith/Femto is directly responsible. I think the direct kickoff is the Apostle from the second eclipse, the "Egg of the Perfect World." He hated reality, which had treated him horribly, and wanted life to be more like a fantasy - it was his actions at the second eclipse that shifted the world and started the overlap with the other realities. Actually this does make more sense than what I said. However I still think that Griffith becoming one of the Godhand perhaps let them begin their plans or something I'm not sure. It just seems as if they were waiting until they were more powerful/had gained something important, of course that is assuming that all the worlds crossing business is their plan/doing. Then again, I could be talking out of my rear end, it has been awhile since I re-read the series.
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Oct 18, 2008 07:14
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Kylaer posted:God dammit, Miura is as slow as George R.R. Martin. I last checked this thread shortly after 297 was released, and today I thought "Hey, there's probably some new issues out by now, I should get caught up."
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Oct 18, 2008 13:30
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Griffith is ambition personified. There is no redemption for a character that didn't have humanity to begin with.
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Oct 18, 2008 15:28
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I really do want to see the Original Hawks return as dark demon/apostle things. Pippin already looked like an Apostle, Corkus would be some kind of good looking rear end in a top hat who gets all kinds of tail (or a creepy snake rapist), and I have no idea what Judeau would look like but he would probably stalk Caska and be creepy (but still badass). It would also mark the return of Rickert with some new awesome skill! I can dream, can't I?
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Oct 18, 2008 16:54
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I figured that all the weirdness that's been going on has been the result of Griffith's manipulation. He was just making everything hosed up, so that he could come and "save" the world.
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Oct 19, 2008 01:03
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The new chapter will just be 18 page-rectangles that foldout 1 by 1 into a massive panoramic shot of the battlefield. Then we'll get the next "page" this time next year woot.
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Oct 20, 2008 15:22
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Mr. Deathy posted:The new chapter will just be 18 page-rectangles that foldout 1 by 1 into a massive panoramic shot of the battlefield. It'll be pretty much identical to the last 2 pages of chapter 297. They might be a few feet closer to each other to show a few seconds have elapsed.
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Oct 20, 2008 22:29
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Jimmybob posted:It'll be pretty much identical to the last 2 pages of chapter 297. They might be a few feet closer to each other to show a few seconds have elapsed. This will end when Ganishka blocks Griffith's light, causing Griffith to finally lose his cool. cooldude2.0 fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Oct 21, 2008 |
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Oct 21, 2008 00:25
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Wrong! Absorbing such massive quantities of light makes you glow in the dark.  Jimmybob posted:It'll be pretty much identical to the last 2 pages of chapter 297. They might be a few feet closer to each other to show a few seconds have elapsed.
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Oct 21, 2008 00:48
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When this is volumized, it will be really weird. Two page threads of Griffith every chapter? However regardless of the pace, I am loving Ganishka's thing right now. It's way hosed up and awesome.
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Oct 21, 2008 01:03
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Mr. Deathy posted:The new chapter will just be 18 page-rectangles that foldout 1 by 1 into a massive panoramic shot of the battlefield. Oh, so Mark Millar and Miura are good friends?
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Oct 21, 2008 01:15
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Andrigaar posted:Oh, so Mark Millar and Miura are good friends? NIPPON BANZAI
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Oct 21, 2008 01:34
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