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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this or not, but whatever. I've loved Boards of Canada for a long time, and I've been fascinated by their nostalgic, 1970s documentary sound. But I don't have the vocabulary to describe that sound besides what it reminds me of. I guess I'm looking for technical descriptions of what they're doing to get that sound. Maybe someone here can help me. I guess this little vignette is as good an example as any: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=exnbfHq2P1c
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nosubsgo posted:I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this or not, but whatever. I've loved Boards of Canada for a long time, and I've been fascinated by their nostalgic, 1970s documentary sound. But I don't have the vocabulary to describe that sound besides what it reminds me of. I guess I'm looking for technical descriptions of what they're doing to get that sound. Maybe someone here can help me. 12-bit samplers. And genuine samples from old tv shows or really old 80s analog synths. OSCar, and the like. A lot of BOC work is natural detuning of analog oscillators, and if you try to mimic this with software, it will just sound like mimicing, not authentic.
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Dec 18, 2008 22:19
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nosubsgo posted:I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this or not, but whatever. I've loved Boards of Canada for a long time, and I've been fascinated by their nostalgic, 1970s documentary sound. But I don't have the vocabulary to describe that sound besides what it reminds me of. I guess I'm looking for technical descriptions of what they're doing to get that sound. Maybe someone here can help me. This came up a few pages back actually.
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Dec 18, 2008 22:20
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Halo posted:A lot of BOC work is tape flutter and wow There, fixed that for you. Further evidence: http://theheartcore.com/music/kaini_micromod.mp3 came straight out of a Nord Micromodular, which is as digital as it gets, and http://theheartcore.com/music/ontario_planks.mp3 are DCOs all the way and those are ridiculously stable. Laserjet 4P fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Dec 18, 2008 |
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Dec 18, 2008 23:02
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I prefer your attempts to BoC, Yoozer. Would you object to me trying to do a remix around one of those loops you just linked?
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Dec 19, 2008 00:15
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Yoozer posted:There, fixed that for you. lol gosh thanks for the education.. it's not entirely wow and flutter though. also, tycho.
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Dec 19, 2008 01:59
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One way to get good BoC type sound is running the synth through an autotuner set to 0ms attack. If theres a little bit of modulation on the synth already it really gets that pitch bending sound spot on.
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Dec 19, 2008 02:05
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Stux posted:One way to get good BoC type sound is running the synth through an autotuner set to 0ms attack. If theres a little bit of modulation on the synth already it really gets that pitch bending sound spot on. there's a few ways to get wavering pitch, but boc's sound is more than just that. they use old samplers and old gear to make their music sound, well, genuinely old. tycho does it better than anyone and even he doesn't sound as authentic as they do.
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Dec 19, 2008 02:09
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Is there any way to get an effect like lovely, warbled tape on a digital recording? Like this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d54TiN3t5_I
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Dec 19, 2008 03:18
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Three Red Lights posted:Is there any way to get an effect like lovely, warbled tape on a digital recording? From what I've read, Boards of Canada finish a track and then run it through an extremely old hi-fi tape reel, and when it comes out the other end it is all warm and warped. Yoozer posted:http://theheartcore.com/music/kaini_micromod.mp3  If you made that, would you mind describing the patch?  Is it just a saw with an enveloped low-pass and a pitch LFO? Did you use slight glide?
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Dec 19, 2008 03:54
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It's actually the spectral oscillator, if you're familiar with that. I haven't fired up my Micromodular in ages, but I'll see if I can take a screenshot for you.Halo posted:lol gosh thanks for the education.. quote:also, tycho. Laserjet 4P fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Dec 19, 2008 |
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That explains why these tape decks have started selling for a lot on my national auction site lately. I picked up an MB33 bass synthesizer last week (for free) and I'm noting down interesting and useful pot positions as I go, but is there a repository out there somewhere with good "sounds"? Got the traditional six pots and one for waveform. The example sounds page from the Korg EA-1 manual doesn't really convert very well.
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Halo posted:there's a few ways to get wavering pitch, but boc's sound is more than just that. they use old samplers and old gear to make their music sound, well, genuinely old. tycho does it better than anyone and even he doesn't sound as authentic as they do. http://www.last.fm/music/Stux/2008+Demo/Swept 
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Yoozer posted:It's actually the spectral oscillator, if you're familiar with that. I haven't fired up my Micromodular in ages, but I'll see if I can take a screenshot for you. yeha i mean i fully agree with you. if i was to do it i'd be processing the sounds as well, rather than buying up old gear. all i am saying is that is part of how they do it and if signal process and authenticity mean anything, every nuonce has meaning. yeah, tycho is pretty rad for a BOC knock off. i enjoy it. Stux posted:http://www.last.fm/music/Stux/2008+Demo/Swept sounds good, but doesn't sound analog.
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Dec 19, 2008 17:48
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Ableton's "Analog" softsynth has paremeters that allow you to recreate the "imperfection" of analog synths including random slight detuning of notes and stretched tuning to simulate off-tune oscillators.
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After reading a lot of the suggestions in this thread, here's my attempt at a BOC-ish song. Mainly just the first half though, it's less BOC-inspired and more whacky after the interlude. "Inner Projection" 
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Mannex posted:Ableton's "Analog" softsynth has paremeters that allow you to recreate the "imperfection" of analog synths including random slight detuning of notes and stretched tuning to simulate off-tune oscillators. Does it inherently do this, or are these things all parameters you can control? I don't have Live 7 yet. I know there's a demo, I'm just wondering.
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Dec 21, 2008 06:18
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Mannex posted:Ableton's "Analog" softsynth has paremeters that allow you to recreate the "imperfection" of analog synths including random slight detuning of notes and stretched tuning to simulate off-tune oscillators. i personally think "analog" sounds very digital and VST like. not as a bad thing, i use it, but it doesnt sound very analog to me and im not a synth snob or anything.
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I just saw this linked on another forum, and thought that it might be of interest to a few of you guys.... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=75P0pqR9Gfc It's a tutorial by trance producer Airbase, showing him making chopped up vocal FX. He makes it look painfully easy. edit: There's a link to the HD version there, which is far better (you can actually see what he's doing, for a start!)
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oredun posted:i personally think "analog" sounds very digital and VST like. not as a bad thing, i use it, but it doesnt sound very analog to me and im not a synth snob or anything. Kai was taken posted:Does it inherently do this, or are these things all parameters you can control?
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moron posted:He makes it look painfully easy. Haha, YES. VEC2 LOOPS. Still neat though and it confirmed my suspicions  . You can do totally neat stuff by repitching parts of musical phrases.
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So this is my first attempt at making something with samples that isn't Premo inspired boom bap and my first post in this thread... Any feedback or comments would be appreciated.
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Dec 21, 2008 20:59
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colonp posted:His other stuff is also pretty neat. What is warping though?
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Mannie Fresh posted:So this is my first attempt at making something with samples that isn't Premo inspired boom bap and my first post in this thread... 1. Mix up your drum pattern with more variations and fills. Right now it's pretty much the same 2-4 bar beat looping over and over and it gets really repetitive. 2. Tune your drum hits so they are in the same key as the rest of the song.
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Mannie Fresh posted:So this is my first attempt at making something with samples that isn't Premo inspired boom bap and my first post in this thread... I love the poo poo out of that opening riff, what is it from?
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every sample is from the track in the title. The JBs - Things & Do off the album Hustle With Speed.
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Damien posted:After reading a lot of the suggestions in this thread, here's my attempt at a BOC-ish song. Mainly just the first half though, it's less BOC-inspired and more whacky after the interlude. it's good, but it doesn't really sound analog. sounds like dblue on the edited drums?
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h_double posted:2. Tune your drum hits so they are in the same key as the rest of the song.
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Mannex posted:How do you tune drum samples? Do you just twist the transpose knob until they sound right, or is there a more precise way? In Battery I just have the pitch wheel and play with it up or down until I hit it. I was just lazy while doing this and slapped some drums on (hence why there's really no fills or change ups).
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Damien posted:After reading a lot of the suggestions in this thread, here's my attempt at a BOC-ish song. Mainly just the first half though, it's less BOC-inspired and more whacky after the interlude. I really don't care for the first part of the song, but the interlude and what comes after sounds pretty interesting.
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What's the best way to simulate outdoor reverb? Not like out-in-the-alps delay, but just a generic outdoors. Every time I try to use reverb to emulate an outdoor space, it ends up sounding like a gigantic room. I am using Live's built-in reverb though, so that may account for part of it.
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Kai was taken posted:I am using Live's built-in reverb though, so that may account for part of it. check out the 'ambience' reverb by smart electronix
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Kai was taken posted:What's the best way to simulate outdoor reverb? Not like out-in-the-alps delay, but just a generic outdoors.
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I'm thinking about adding a pad based midi controller to my set up, which is basically just a 49 key Axiom, Ableton and an M-audio box at the moment, and I'm trying to decide between the Korg padKontrol and the Akai MPD24. The Korg: http://keyboards-midi.musiciansfriend.com/product/Korg-padKONTROL-USB-MIDI-Controller?sku=702910 And the Akai: http://keyboards-midi.musiciansfriend.com/product/Akai-MPD24?sku=700812 I've heard good things about both as far as the pads themselves are concerned, and the difference seems to pretty much come down between whether you want that X-Y touchpad or a ton of sliders and faders. Honestly, the X-Y pad looks like it could be a lot of fun (and I like the flashy lights ), but the sliders/faders seem much more functional and practical...though how much will I really use either? Obviously my Axiom has a lot of sliders and faders on it, but my question is about when i'm actually playing the controller and trying to put together compositions. I want to be able have samples fading in and out of the mix (which would just be done by assigning a volume control to that samples pad I guess?) and be able to chop said samples up by throwing filters/beat repeat etc. on and off of them. Wouldn't this be really hard to do with the padKontrol considering there's only 2 knobs and no sliders, or am I missing something? Am I even thinking about this in the right context? Sorry, but I know very little about any of this. Also I have no idea how this guy went about it, but he essentially made his Korg into a ghetto monome. Awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Bi9Lt8Jlc
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I thought the pads on the padkontrol were more playable than the MPD24 pads. In both cases I experimented with a variety of settings and gave it a few days to get acclimated. The knobs and faders from the MPD24 are a plus, obviously. For whatever it's worth it took about a week for the knobs on mine to start sending spurious data. Also they always act like pretend-rotaries, by which I mean they can't send any kind of +1/-1 stream. You may not care, but it sucked for my purposes. Presumably they adjust their internal value in response to incoming midi but I never tried it because they broke so quickly. I did hear that they fixed the knob problem on later batches. Anyway it basically comes down to playability vs utility. If you are just going to stick it in full levels mode and leave it there you might as well get the extra poo poo on the MPD24. If you're going to be a little more graceful with it the padkontrol is somewhat better in terms of actually playing the pads. I'd also tell you not to buy any Akai product because their support department is legendarily bad (to the point where I just said gently caress it, kept the broken mpd and won't buy any more akai products), but that's just my experience and admittedly my MPD was from the first run of them.
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Live 6 I have the EIC 1 and everything included is in a Simpler rack running in multisample mode. Is there any advantage to converting them from Simpler to Sampler, as far as speed or efficiency goes? Also, I've heard about Sample Management in Live 7 being better than 6, can anybody elaborate on this some? I know how it works (I've read the description), but practically speaking, what things could I expect from it? Faster project loading, less CPU, quicker patch switching? I'm not going to use it for any crazyass sound sculpting or anything so I don't care about features, I'm wondering if there's a pure technical advantage to the way Sampler handles multisamples over Simpler in Live 6.
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Is using computer software as a sampler a good way to get an idea of how to operate a regular rackmounted sampler? I'm a month away from a Yahama A4000 if the guy finds all the papers on time and I can't put my work on hold, the samples would be triggered by midi out from my Yamaha RM1x. (Got the FL8 demo, Ableton gave me the headache of a thousand wives, Reason just made me confused.)
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MrLonghair posted:Is using computer software as a sampler a good way to get an idea of how to operate a regular rackmounted sampler? I'm a month away from a Yahama A4000 if the guy finds all the papers on time and I can't put my work on hold, the samples would be triggered by midi out from my Yamaha RM1x. FL8 is probably the best DAW available besides Logic 8, imho. FL should do what you need it to do, plus it has all the basic fundamentals of synthesized audio. Hardware tends to be more specific, but with the manuals and some fiddling you could get it going.
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