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FitFortDanga
Nov 19, 2004

Nice try, asshole

Also And Then There Were None.

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incredible bear
Jul 10, 2005

doing the bear maximum
I can vouch that Port Talbot is an absolute shithole. It's horribly placed in Wales that you basically have to drive through it to get anywhere, and everyone's puts their foot down just to get through as quickly as possible. I have no idea how Terry Gilliam saw any beauty in it, I should get around to seeing his films I guess.

OldSenileGuy
Mar 13, 2001

LASER BEAM DREAM posted:

Can anyone recommend me a movie similar to Clue? I love stories about people trapped in a castle-like environment, trying to escape or find a murderer. It doesn't have to be a comedy, but I hate jump shot horror movies.

I haven't seen it in a long time, but I remember Murder By Death being Clue-like, and funny as well.

Annabel Pee
Dec 29, 2008
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Annabel Pee fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Sep 24, 2016

incredible bear
Jul 10, 2005

doing the bear maximum

Doakes posted:

Are films getting away with more recently or is it just me? I watched Yes Man recently, which is a 12A (Under 12's must be with an Adult) and I was amazed by what it got away with. gently caress was said about twice, and other swear words about 5 times, and there was also nudity and some strong sexual refrences.
Titanic has a literally steamy sex scene and Kate Winslet tits 12 years ago. That got a 12 before the 12A rating existed. Over 28 years ago Airplane had cocaine abuse, nudity and a whole other load of stuff, 7 years ago it's got a PG rating pretty much worldwide.

So no, not really. I think it's just that we now live in a post-Janet Jackson era, and it's a bit weird that this stuff gets away with such a low rating, but it seems to be pretty consistent.

incredible bear fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Jan 1, 2009

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice

incredible bear posted:

it's a bit weird that this stuff gets away with such a low rating, but it seems to be pretty consistent.
Actually, I would argue that it's consistently inconsistent. Comedies can get away with themes and language that dramas cannot for example -- and big budget films with big name directors (the aforementioned "Titanic" being a prime example) also get away with a lot more. The rating system (especially the American one) is very subjective and arbitrary.

Check out the documentary "This Film Has Not Yet Been Rated" for an interesting tour of how the system works.

Ape Agitator
Feb 19, 2004

Soylent Green is Monkeys
College Slice
Nudity seems to squeak by via the "nonsexual" aspect. So in Titanic the nudity is during a painting scene (not the sex scene) and, from what I gather, there are a lot of butts in Yes Man which are played for laughs. If it was a Requiem for a Dream rear end to rear end scene, no PG-13. Benny Hill style butts, good to go. Stuff in the 80s pre-PG-13 are the wild west and you can find all kinds of randomness like Sheena and Airplane or even Andromeda Strain which had (dead) boobs in a G rated film

They've got rules regarding language in a PG-13 and best I can recall they can get by with a couple "fucks" as long as they're not sexual (for the former). Of course, it is subjective so there are films that they won't let by with a gently caress so you get some bad ADR covering it and other that get a lot more fucks for whatever reason or bargaining done on the part of the producers.

It's still quite a gamble to make a film with language and nudity in it so I'd say they had some balls filming Yes Man the way they did and probably covered it with butt-less scenes. But a Jim Carrey movie has some clout so they skated by.

Ape Agitator fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jan 1, 2009

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Or consider how THX 1138 went from being rated G in 1971 to R in 2004 for the re-release, for nudity. And it was all present in the original cut!

Dr. Coffee
Apr 2, 2007

I saw my first on screen titty cause Airplane was PG. The old rating system was glorious. :quagmire:

jjack229
Feb 14, 2008
Articulate your needs. I'm here to listen.

Dr. Coffee posted:

I saw my first on screen titty cause Airplane was PG. The old rating system was glorious. :quagmire:

The PG rated Top Secret! features the Anal Intruder with both a finger and a fist attachment, that's pretty awesome.

Akuma
Sep 11, 2001


Egbert Souse posted:

Or consider how THX 1138 went from being rated G in 1971 to R in 2004 for the re-release, for nudity. And it was all present in the original cut!
Well, kind of, but kind of not. In the original when THX is watching his porn it's not really clear that he's masturbating, but in the director's cut there's this machine that comes along and pretty blatantly sucks him off.

It is a big step from G to R, but without that addition it may have scraped through with a PG-13 which isn't a huge stretch.

FitFortDanga
Nov 19, 2004

Nice try, asshole

I'm gonna be watching Persepolis soon, and I'm wondering if there are any strong arguments for or against the English dub. I really like Gena Rowlands and Catherine Deneuve, but I know that animation dubs often take some egregious liberties with the translation (like just about every Disney dub of a Studio Ghibli film).

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

ClydeUmney posted:

I know. I have to wonder if it was one of those things where people just wrote really stupid things on there, like you did when sheets went around in high school.

I'm so going to make a movie called Heywood Jablome.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

FitFortDanga posted:

I'm gonna be watching Persepolis soon, and I'm wondering if there are any strong arguments for or against the English dub. I really like Gena Rowlands and Catherine Deneuve, but I know that animation dubs often take some egregious liberties with the translation (like just about every Disney dub of a Studio Ghibli film).

IMDB says that Deneuve voiced her character in both the original (French) and the English dub. I'd imagine the dub would be somewhat accurate in that case.

The Ghbli dubs are extremely well synched and voiced, but I did find it annoying that they changed around stuff too much. Like making a female cat in The Cat Returns into a gay stereotype. Then the subtitles are based off the dub instead of the original Japanese.

Saint of Killers
Sep 25, 2008

by Fistgrrl
I just saw Blue Velvet for the first time since I was roughly 12 (long story) and being actually old enough to pay attention to it made me ask myself a few questions. Where exactly does the Ben character fit in? I had thought he was a drug dealer because of what he tosses in Frank's mouth after giving him the Roy Orbison tape. But how exactly is he important? Is the murder Jefferey tells Laura Dern's character about solely so Gordon, her father's partner, be implicated? And also, at the end of the movie, after Jeffrey gets up out of the lawn chair, he walks in to the house and acknowledges two men standing in his backyard. One of these has to be his father, but the other man looks oddly like one of Franks henchmen (the one in the hat that can be clearly seen in the apartment scene) is that him? and if so, why would he be there?

I know this is a Lynch movie, and feel like I should just let it not make sense, but through the viewing I just became too attached and invested to the characters.

Also, the end of Cube: what the gently caress? he just walks out? seriously?

jjack229
Feb 14, 2008
Articulate your needs. I'm here to listen.

Saint of Killers posted:

Also, the end of Cube: what the gently caress? he just walks out? seriously?

Unless you watch Cube Zero.

Ape Agitator
Feb 19, 2004

Soylent Green is Monkeys
College Slice

Saint of Killers posted:

Also, the end of Cube: what the gently caress? he just walks out? seriously?

This is, demonstrably, the best possible ending. The entire movie is ambiguous and the goal is a macguffin so there's no ending that wouldn't have been as good. See all of the sequels to understand why knowing anything more than pure white is a bad idea.

Rake Arms
Sep 15, 2007

It's just not the same without widescreen.

Ape Agitator posted:

This is, demonstrably, the best possible ending. The entire movie is ambiguous and the goal is a macguffin so there's no ending that wouldn't have been as good. See all of the sequels to understand why knowing anything more than pure white is a bad idea.

I don't know, the end of Cube: Zero successfully hosed my brain.

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

Ape Agitator posted:

And with the Sci-Fi channel's (and some up and coming competitors) voracious appetite for a new bad film every week, there's a near guaranteed home for lots of them.
Mansquito was the best worst waste of a few hours I've seen in a while. That's right, it's a man turning into a man-sized mosquito.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

Saint of Killers posted:

I just saw Blue Velvet for the first time since I was roughly 12 (long story) and being actually old enough to pay attention to it made me ask myself a few questions. Where exactly does the Ben character fit in? I had thought he was a drug dealer because of what he tosses in Frank's mouth after giving him the Roy Orbison tape. But how exactly is he important? Is the murder Jefferey tells Laura Dern's character about solely so Gordon, her father's partner, be implicated? And also, at the end of the movie, after Jeffrey gets up out of the lawn chair, he walks in to the house and acknowledges two men standing in his backyard. One of these has to be his father, but the other man looks oddly like one of Franks henchmen (the one in the hat that can be clearly seen in the apartment scene) is that him? and if so, why would he be there?

I know this is a Lynch movie, and feel like I should just let it not make sense, but through the viewing I just became too attached and invested to the characters.

Also, the end of Cube: what the gently caress? he just walks out? seriously?
Ben's house is where Isabella Rosselini's son is kept. The other guy at the end is the father of Laura Dern's character (I haven't seen this in a while either).

jjack229
Feb 14, 2008
Articulate your needs. I'm here to listen.

CannonFodder posted:

Mansquito was the best worst waste of a few hours I've seen in a while. That's right, it's a man turning into a man-sized mosquito.

After I told a friend about watching that movie, he is convinced that the sci-fi channel mashes words together until they come up with a name they like, and then they write a movie around it.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat
Does anyone know why Chris Menges replaced Roger Deakins on The Reader? I know the film was delayed; was it scheduling conflicts with Deakins's prior commitments?

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

jjack229 posted:

After I told a friend about watching that movie, he is convinced that the sci-fi channel mashes words together until they come up with a name they like, and then they write a movie around it.

I'd love to see some of the ideas they threw out.

"Manburger: Man who turns into a hamburger."
"No, not bankable."
"Manvision: Man who turns into a television."
"No, people don't want to watch a movie about television."
"Mancup: Man who turns into a cup.
"What kind of powers does he have?"
"He can drink criminals."
"No."
"Mansquito: Man who turns into a mosquito."
"BRILLIANT."

Ape Agitator
Feb 19, 2004

Soylent Green is Monkeys
College Slice

Magic Hate Ball posted:

"Mancup: Man who turns into a cup.
"What kind of powers does he have?"
"He can drink criminals."
...
"BRILLIANT."

If I were in charge.

timeandtide
Nov 29, 2007

This space is reserved for future considerations.
I just saw Don't Look Now, and I have to ask about the ending so, as far as I can tell Donald Sutherland's character is meant to have future sight, and the entire movie's intercuts of random scenes are him seeing the future, which explains how he knows something is wrong at the beginning of the movie even before he reaches the pond. I get that, but what the hell was up with the hideous crone like thing at the end that I assume is the serial killer--was it/she/whatever meant to be anything of importance, or a previously mentioned character or something? I get that the filmmaker's were probably striving for a "life is cruel and random" motif, considering how the opening plays out, but it seems odd that it just wasn't a normal man, woman, girl, or boy.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Ape Agitator posted:

If I were in charge.

He's also machine-washable! :v:

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

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timeandtide posted:

I just saw Don't Look Now, and I have to ask about the ending

I guess I'll spoiler too, since we are talking about the final reveal and all ...


It isn't a previously mentioned character, but it is wearing the same sort of coat his daughter was when she died -- we're supposed to suspect that it is his daughter (until the reveal). The colour red is also a recurrent theme in the film too. I also think that the ending was simply intended to mess with your head a bit, and if the reveal was something "ordinary", it would have taken away from the weirdness.


I suspect you got all of those things already, but then I'm at least confirming that I think you took from it what you were supposed to. I think that "Don't Look Now", being an Italian/American production, is actually a little bit more Italian in theme and style. Don't worry about trying to figure everything out, just go with it (the best example of this kind of style I think is Argento's "Inferno" -- if you try to understand everything properly, you'll hate the film, but if you approach it like a dream/nightmare, it's awesome).

KasioDiscoRock
Nov 17, 2000

Are you alive?
I don't think this is really the type of question in mind for this thread, but I don't know where else would be appropriate to ask it without making a whole thread:

Anyone know where I can get a good quality audio file of Tom Cruise's crazy laugh? I'm trying to slyly sneak it into a sound mix of an animated show that has a quick scene making fun of Scientology.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


I just watched Day Watch and I was wondering, what is the deal with that short scene right before the credits with Semyon driving around?

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
In Indy 4, when Indy and Jim Broadbent are talking about what Indy will do, he says someone owes him a favor and he'll probably end up teaching in Leipzig. Who owes him a favor?

plainswalker75
Feb 22, 2003

Pigs are smarter than Bears, but they can't ride motorcycles
Hair Elf

twistedmentat posted:

In Indy 4, when Indy and Jim Broadbent are talking about what Indy will do, he says someone owes him a favor and he'll probably end up teaching in Leipzig. Who owes him a favor?

I guess Leipzig is a pretty famous town that was in East Germany; he's making the joke because he's accused of being a Communist.

Elijya
May 11, 2005

Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
I got Elizabeth: The Golden Age in from Netflix before the first Elizabeth by accident. I've never seen either of these films. Is it necessary, or worth it, to see them in order? I won't be able to get Elizabeth for another week or so. Friday, maybe, if I send one of my films out tomorrow.

Ape Agitator
Feb 19, 2004

Soylent Green is Monkeys
College Slice

Elijya posted:

I got Elizabeth: The Golden Age in from Netflix before the first Elizabeth by accident. I've never seen either of these films. Is it necessary, or worth it, to see them in order? I won't be able to get Elizabeth for another week or so. Friday, maybe, if I send one of my films out tomorrow.

It's somewhat arguable considering they chose a rather specific and logical point to end the first story, so anyone should be able to watch the sequel and be okay. That said, there are still very shorthanded comments and references to relationships established in the first film and characterization of several people will be pretty low because they'd already been established. And the first film is also the better one, in my opinion, so I'd say you're much better off to wait and watch Elizabeth and hold on to TGA until afterwards.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

plainswalker75 posted:

I guess Leipzig is a pretty famous town that was in East Germany; he's making the joke because he's accused of being a Communist.

Well, yes, but who owes Indy a favor? I was wondering because maybe it was a Character from an earlier film.

But I couldn't figure out if Indy had befriended any Germans.

jjack229
Feb 14, 2008
Articulate your needs. I'm here to listen.
Maybe not a movie question, but close enough.

I have seen a few films where people's reviews talk about the films focus on the consumerism and materialism that was the 80's (American Psycho and Repo Man come to mind).

While I grew up in the 80's, I was too young to notice any extreme consumerism or materialism, and especially too young to compare it to previous decade(s).

I know that relative to other decades the 80's had horrible music, hairstyles, and clothes, but was it really that much more focused on consumerism and materialism than the 70', 90's, or now?

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

jjack229 posted:

I know that relative to other decades the 80's had horrible music, hairstyles, and clothes, but was it really that much more focused on consumerism and materialism than the 70', 90's, or now?
It wasn't so much that the consumerism and materialism were more prevalent in the '80s, it's that popular culture lionised the ubercapitalist as hero. Gordon Gekko (from Wall Street (1987)) wouldn't be a convincing villain in any other decade.

Ape Agitator
Feb 19, 2004

Soylent Green is Monkeys
College Slice

jjack229 posted:

Maybe not a movie question, but close enough.

I have seen a few films where people's reviews talk about the films focus on the consumerism and materialism that was the 80's (American Psycho and Repo Man come to mind).

While I grew up in the 80's, I was too young to notice any extreme consumerism or materialism, and especially too young to compare it to previous decade(s).

I know that relative to other decades the 80's had horrible music, hairstyles, and clothes, but was it really that much more focused on consumerism and materialism than the 70', 90's, or now?

Bear in mind that we'd come out of a war, a bad economy, and were fueling rather incredible economic success driven in part by unprecedented deficit spending and a stock market explosion. Blockbusters were becoming the new mainstay of movie studios and television marketing was going into overdrive to siphon the new wealth (with kids shows tied inextricably to toy lines). And the best thing ever? Credit Cards.

timeandtide
Nov 29, 2007

This space is reserved for future considerations.
Repo Man isn't entirely meant to be a satire of the 80s, but of America in general. Director/writer Alex Cox said he thought up the idea when he wondered what sort of society could possibly make a bomb that specifically doesn't destroy buildings but still kills people on a mass scale. His only answer was that the society must out of its mind, hence the bizarre content of the film.

timeandtide fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Jan 13, 2009

Binowru
Feb 15, 2007

I never set out to be weird. It was always other people who called me weird.
I just rewatched Chinatown and something stuck out at me:

Who killed Ida Sessions and why? Who called Gittes to come to her house, just to find her dead body?

Binowru fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jan 13, 2009

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Criminal Minded
Jan 4, 2005

Spring break forever
Sessions tipped Gittes off to the water scandal by pointing out the obituary column which leads Gittes to notice that a whole bunch of real estate is being bought in the names of dead or retired people. Presumably she was murdered by Mulwray or his flunkies. As for who called Gittes, I'd guess the same people, as sort of another warning not to gently caress with them. There's also the possibility that they wanted him caught in the house when the detectives showed up, so they could've been springing a trap.

God, I loving love Chinatown. It's got one of those plots that isn't that complicated but every time I watch it, I have to figure it out for myself all over again because there are little things that I don't remember. It's like getting to see it for the first time, every time.

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