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Ashcans posted:I would say that the dragon is going to put V on the ropes bad enough that he will have to deal with the Imp, but I'm at a loss as to what the Imp could actually do to help - teleport them away I guess? I don't know if you remember the Imp conjuring a massive loving demon before, but that happened.
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But only because that particular demon owed him; he's unlikely to have more powerful demons that lost at cards to him.
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Ashcans posted:I would say that the dragon is going to put V on the ropes bad enough that he will have to deal with the Imp, but I'm at a loss as to what the Imp could actually do to help - teleport them away I guess? Can't he do the summoning thing again?
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terminal mehmet posted:Can't he do the summoning thing again? No, because the demon who owed the imp a favor is currently being the world's most awesome tombstone. Also this dragon is badass.
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Jan 28, 2009 20:14
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I'm guessing this is about where V is going to "say the right words at the right time to the right person" to gain ultimate power, as the Oracle predicted.
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Jan 28, 2009 20:24
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Nosy_G posted:I'm guessing this is about where V is going to "say the right words at the right time to the right person" to gain ultimate power, as the Oracle predicted. Don't forget it has to be "for the wrong reasons". To save his own life doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.
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Jan 28, 2009 20:38
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I bet the "right words at the right time to the right person" are to the dragon and not the imp just to gently caress with us.
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seaborgium posted:Don't forget it has to be "for the wrong reasons". To save his own life doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.
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So momma dragon is an ancient black dragon, which puts her at least at CR 19, plus whatever else she has that boosts her sorcerer spells. Sorry V, start railing at the DM. This is right up there with Roy vs. Xykon in terms of poorly stacked combat.
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I'm loving "revenge dragon out of nowhere". As much as I rally for OOTS against all the negative criticism that has been nonstop since the battle for Azure City (remember the bouncy ball arguments? MAN) I willfully admit this is the coolest thing to happen since. Also, someone answer my previous Xykon questions, because I've seriously only played D&D like three times and have no idea how liches work in the grand scheme of things.
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Wolfsheim posted:Just out of curiosity, say Xykon gets killed and the phylactery smashed. What happens to him? Wouldn't he still be an immensely powerful spirit in the chaotic evil afterlife, or whatever? Couldn't he still come back? Undead, once destroyed, are gone forever. Their souls are bound to the body and if the body is destroyed, the soul is gone too. Liches can only come back because their soul is in the phylactery.
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So they don't go to the Chaotic Evil afterlife or whatever? They just cease to be?
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Yep. One of the few downsides to undeadness.
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Vicissitude posted:Yep. One of the few downsides to undeadness. Given the nature of the CE afterlife, I think we could call it a benefit of undeath.
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Pretty interesting thing to take note off. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0572.html Panel 7, remember this is after the party kills baby dragon 
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LightWarden posted:So momma dragon is an ancient black dragon, which puts her at least at CR 19, plus whatever else she has that boosts her sorcerer spells. Sorry V, start railing at the DM. This is right up there with Roy vs. Xykon in terms of poorly stacked combat. I think this is the GM punishing V for going off on his own and splitting the party even further. Which is somewhat ironic, considering the 'GM' is Burlew and he's punishing us with this split-up stuff in an entirely different, but similar, way.
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Affi posted:Pretty interesting thing to take note off. Yeah, that sounds about right. And the dragon did say it had information about V. Do we think the party as a whole could take the dragon?
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Given some of the other stuff on GITP, there being serious consequences for killing a youngish black dragon makes sense. If you look under his D&D stuff, there's a black dragon assassin; a black dragon who learned that hey, other dragons will pay him big-time to kill the adventurers that killed their kin! And adventurers have all these cool magic items, usually! And none of them anticipate there being a horrible mass of black acidic ravenous death under their bed at night! It makes me a terrible person but I really like the latest Erfworld.
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Ze Pollack posted:Man I really wish I was into D&D more because that sounds pretty exciting
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Ze Pollack posted:Given some of the other stuff on GITP, there being serious consequences for killing a youngish black dragon makes sense. If you look under his D&D stuff, there's a black dragon assassin; a black dragon who learned that hey, other dragons will pay him big-time to kill the adventurers that killed their kin! And adventurers have all these cool magic items, usually! And none of them anticipate there being a horrible mass of black acidic ravenous death under their bed at night! That Black Dragon assassin not only has great backstory and flavor, but it is freaking terrifying in a fight. It can cast Greater Invisibility on itself and make sneak attacks all day long. When any monster's round-by-round tactics include anything like the words "if the target is still alive" you know it's badass. This thing is small enough to squeeze through most windows and can cast spells that allow it to stick to walls and ceilings. Imagine waking up and there's a loving dragon on the ceiling over your bed.
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I wonder if the sound your front door makes as it melts off its hinges is enough to wake you out of a decent rem sleep
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So hey, here's a thought: if presumably Rich meant 'Antimagic Field' instead of 'Antimagic Shell', which I can't find anywhere, that would mean that the dragon can cast at least 6th-level Sorcerer spells-- requiring an effective Sorcerer level of 12. As this handy-dandy chart illustrates, a black dragon doesn't meet or exceed that level of spellcasting until the Wyrm stage. Which means essentially throwing a 34 HD monster at a 13th level Wizard, by his lonesome. I think I'm gonna move away from my 'punishing the character for splitting' theory and head firmly into a 'stole the GM's girlfriend' level of spite.
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The Dragon posted:I must admit, I too have a passion for the arcane arts... even moreso than others of my kind. I'm pretty sure this isn't a problem, the dragon just has a higher caster level. The imp already said that this is an ancient black dragon, which is an 11th level caster, so it's not like it's a huge jump.
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Cabbit posted:Which means essentially throwing a 34 HD monster at a 13th level Wizard, by his lonesome. I think I'm gonna move away from my 'punishing the character for splitting' theory and head firmly into a 'stole the GM's girlfriend' level of spite. Or it is GM shock tactics, which sometimes have to be used on party members who are being, shall we say, less then cooperative. Much like the Mark of Justice on belkar, I think the dragon's purpose is to get V (whose player is being a total dick) back in line.
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Cabbit posted:So hey, here's a thought: if presumably Rich meant 'Antimagic Field' instead of 'Antimagic Shell', which I can't find anywhere, that would mean that the dragon can cast at least 6th-level Sorcerer spells-- requiring an effective Sorcerer level of 12. As this handy-dandy chart illustrates, a black dragon doesn't meet or exceed that level of spellcasting until the Wyrm stage. The dragon said that she was exceptionally skilled at arcane magic for her kind. To me that says sorcerer levels on top of her innate draconic spellcasting, which should stack. It would only take one to have her casting as a 12th level sorceror. If the imp hadn't IDed her as Ancient I would have guessed she was in the Mature Adult to Old range.
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Well, I'm sure V's glad he/she is only facing an Ancient dragon, and not a Wyrm! That makes a huge difference!
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KOraithER posted:Well, I'm sure V's glad he/she is only facing an Ancient dragon, and not a Wyrm! That makes a huge difference! Well, the difference from Ancient to Wyrm is a whole size category, and that thing looks like it's starting a grapple. Seems important to me!
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An Ancient dragon still gets a +50 on its grapple check. Unless V gets some massive modifiers I can't think of, I doubt it makes a difference.
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ConfusedUs jolted my memory about Burlew's little gaming section, I wish he'd keep updating that, especially his world-building scheme, that was very interesting to read about.
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Nosy G posted:I'm guessing this is about where V is going to "say the right words at the right time to the right person" to gain ultimate power, as the Oracle predicted. seaborgium posted:Don't forget it has to be "for the wrong reasons". To save his own life doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. I thought the four right words (said at the right time, to the right person, for the wrong reason), were "Disintegrate. Gust of wind." If you write, I will make it better.
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Parahexavoctal posted:I thought the four right words (said at the right time, to the right person, for the wrong reason), were "Disintegrate. Gust of wind." I don't think we know yet. If they've been said, we certainly haven't been informed of it, and knowing Burlew he'll toss a bunch of red herrings in.
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KOraithER posted:An Ancient dragon still gets a +50 on its grapple check. Unless V gets some massive modifiers I can't think of, I doubt it makes a difference. Freedom of Movement. 
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Vicissitude posted:Freedom of Movement. Anti-magic shell
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greatn posted:Anti-magic shell Sudden discovery of latent psionic powers
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ZorbaTHut posted:I don't think we know yet. If they've been said, we certainly haven't been informed of it, and knowing Burlew he'll toss a bunch of red herrings in. Wait a second. How many times has V said "disintegrate" to the Imp at this point?
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Exactly 4 times.
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Sick_Boy posted:Sudden discovery of latent psionic powers Psionics/Magic Transparency.
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A Big Dark Yak posted:Psionics/Magic Transparency. Dragon is time traveler, highly advanced enterprise beams V out to preserve timeline?
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A Big Dark Yak posted:Psionics/Magic Transparency. Sudden discovery of latent extraordinary powers.
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greatn posted:Dragon is time traveler, highly advanced enterprise beams V out to preserve timeline? Rolling a natural 20.
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