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Col.Kiwi
Dec 28, 2004
And the grave digger puts on the forceps...
Nobody is talking about a true clean boost. The discussion started with advice to use an overdrive pedal with the gain knob turned down to zero. If you try that you will find it is definitely not a completely clean boost. It's a cleanish boost and in this context people use the phrase "clean boost" to refer to this technique of using an overdrive pedal a lot more than they use the phrase to refer to an actual clean boost.

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ZombiePeanut
May 11, 2007

by Fistgrrl
meh. Then buy hotter pickups and an EQ pedal. You'll get a better result probably. If I had to guess the ludicrously massive preamp in the recto probably just needs a lot of signal to drive it fully.

Col.Kiwi
Dec 28, 2004
And the grave digger puts on the forceps...
I do use some hotter pickups, but I like the tone of my lower output ones too?

I already have an EQ pedal too?

I don't see why you're ragging on the method of using an OD pedal in favour of the other methods you suggest to get a hotter signal. There's nothing wrong with doing it, it can produce sounds that people like. People like to mix together different stuff in their signal chains. Lots of people run overdrive pedals set almost-clean to boost many amps other than rectos (like me, I have never even dialed in a recto.)

I do honestly mean this more as a weird compliment than any insult, but stop thinking about this like an engineer.

Nosir
Jun 11, 2006
I really need a new amp, but gently caress i love guitars. Anyone have experience with the ESP LTD EC-401? The transparent black with black EMG81/60 and black hardware makes me want to cream myself. Although it does have the Earvana nut thing which makes me second guess this thing. My other main electric is a Epi LP Custom which i use for ballsy metal and blues, but im not too fond of the lead tones i've managed to get.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EC401-Electric-Guitar?sku=580199

Nosir fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Feb 11, 2009

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

Stux posted:

If you get a Diezel while keeping the Mesa I'm gonna have to hate you.

My guitar player went from TripleRec to Triaxis/2:90 to VH4S and I have no idea why you'd want to dual rig with the Diezel unless you wanted something with really beautiful cleans like a Twin or ToneKing. The Diezel crushes all on its own. :black101:

He uses it with a TC Electronic G-System and it's the most seamless, clean, versatile rig I've ever seen.

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


ZombiePeanut posted:

If it's a true clean boost then all it's doing is adding output power. (unless you're talking about putting it in an fx loop or something weird).

Actually you're driving the poo poo out of the first gain stage which adds nice musical compression and smooths out the raggedness that Rectos sometimes exhibit.

Catastrophe
Oct 5, 2007

Committed to burn twice as long and half as bright

Gramps posted:

Actually you're driving the poo poo out of the first gain stage which adds nice musical compression and smooths out the raggedness that Rectos sometimes exhibit.

Yeah. When I had my 5150, I found that I could get away with running the gain half as high on the dial with a boost pedal in front as I could without. There was less fizz to the sound and it was tighter sounding as well. I found the same thing with the Mesa Boogie Mark III that replaced it. It's just not the same as having hot pickups. I HAVE hot pickups. A clean boost is a totally different animal. You're almost able to change a 1-channel amp into a 2-channel amp with one, going from a crunch sound to lead sound with one.

Meatsplosion
Oct 25, 2006

+3 Meat Elemental
Fedex guy just dropped off my new BM5As. Haven't had time to break em in yet, but they sound great and are built like a tank. :)

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
I was on the hunt for a Gibson SG for less than $800. I eventually found this Reverend Daredevil - awesome guitar for $600.


And THEN I found a 1991 SG in Stryper Yellow. I mean TV Yellow.

Click here for the full 1600x1200 image.


Wasted old pickups

Click here for the full 1600x1200 image.


So now I've got both. I like the Gibson better. I hate to say it. I'd totally convinced myself that the Gibson name didn't mean crap. I like them both a lot. I'll give it a week or two before figuring out which one to sell.

morningdrew
Jul 18, 2003

It's toe-tapping-ly tragic!

Sell the Reverend, that SG is badass.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 11 days!

ZombiePeanut posted:

meh. Then buy hotter pickups and an EQ pedal. You'll get a better result probably. If I had to guess the ludicrously massive preamp in the recto probably just needs a lot of signal to drive it fully.

Boosts are used a LOT with high gain amps for the reasons others have described. I'm really surprised you havn't come across it before.

Enaku
Mar 17, 2008

I like that it's a little jerky

magnificent7 posted:

I was on the hunt for a Gibson SG for less than $800. I eventually found this Reverend Daredevil - awesome guitar for $600.


And THEN I found a 1991 SG in Stryper Yellow. I mean TV Yellow.

Click here for the full 1600x1200 image.


Wasted old pickups

Click here for the full 1600x1200 image.


So now I've got both. I like the Gibson better. I hate to say it. I'd totally convinced myself that the Gibson name didn't mean crap. I like them both a lot. I'll give it a week or two before figuring out which one to sell.

I don't usually like SGs, but that thing is pretty rad.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Enaku posted:

I don't usually like SGs, but that thing is pretty rad.
Yeah. I'll probably do that. Although to be fair, drat the rev plays like a hot knife through butter. Guess I'll sell everything else and keep them both? How loving stupid is that.

Susano-maku da!
Nov 12, 2003

Hi. Did you order the Mongolian… Beef?
Bet the neck is better on the Reverend~~

My two revs had the best necks out of all the guitars I've played.

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down

Stux posted:

Boosts are used a LOT with high gain amps for the reasons others have described. I'm really surprised you havn't come across it before.

Yeah, I don't play high gain without a boost. It does the same thing in amp sims that it does with real amps, makes everything tighter, harder edged, brutal-er if you will.

The Saga of SCNs

Success!

Routed the guitar and decided I'd fully shield the control cavity while I was down there, as well as the wire clearance rout that I made in the bridge pickup cavity. Between the SCNs and a fully shielded control cavity, I can play this kickin' strat into any remotely listenable amount of gain without so much as a noise reduction pedal :)

I went with a minimally invasive mod. I routed about a half a centimeter deep, tapered path from where the bridge pickup cavity meets the control cavity, and brought it back and tapered it to slightly behind the bridge pickup cavity. Then to make the pickups fit, I drilled a hole slightly bigger than the pickup screw, underneath where they are when installed. Everything fits just fine now and it's whisper quiet but with a ton of balls. The SCNs are definitely my favorite single coils that sound like single coils. The middle and neck are smooth but with plenty of spank, very dynamic pups, and the bridge is hot and awesome.

Also, working on the electronics, I finally found out what that switch does. It runs the bridge pickup with whatever else is currently going, and in a few different ways. Middle is "off," no bridge pickup; back is "on" and it also runs a cap (I think, weird looking cap) across the volume to bleed off bass quicker than treble when the volume knob's used. Front is "on" with something else going on, maybe reverse polarity, maybe a different wiring (series/parallel?). Either way, it's a cool sound, made much cooler by the new pickups. I recommend SCNs!

Edit: Also Guitarfetish introduced what look like SCN-alikes to me, check them out: NEOVIN woo Rare earth magnets never sounded so good, don't drop your guitar on your pickups with SCNs or NEOVINs or the magnets might shatter, brittle but brittle means TONE baby

Agreed fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Feb 12, 2009

who cares
Jul 25, 2006

Doomsday Machine

magnificent7 posted:

I'll give it a week or two before figuring out which one to sell.

Let me know if you decide to sell the SG.

HolySwissCheese
Mar 26, 2005
Don't you have 30 days to return the Reverend at Guitar Center?

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down

Mag7, the CL pictures of your new SG didn't do it justice at all, that finish looks killer when you can see that it's actually glossy and clear coated, a pretty damned good and rather unique finish. Not offensive at all. Don't take poo poo for it!

And sell the reverend, you're hurting your Gibson's feelings. That's like marrying the girl of your dreams but still keeping an in-house mistress who stays around just because she can steal from you when you're not looking and get her next hit off the crack pipe.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
I do like the SG, but I'm still giving it a break in period. Just like your mom. Can't rush these things.

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down

I never bought into any of it, but the audiophiles tell me my mom really opens up around the 100th hour of continual use, but you've got to make sure you're running some pretty dynamic material through her or you won't get the full benefits of break-in. YMMV though.

We need to talk about your alumitone-equipped strat.

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Hubis posted:

Hey, so I'm looking at a long term pedal design project, and I was wondering if there was anything like what I was thinking already out there.

Basically, what I am thinking of is a digital delay pedal, where the feedback loop is externalized (via an FX SEND and FX RETURN jack) and then mixed with the "clean" feedback signal at the return. The idea is to be able to plug in an EQ pedal, Fuzz, or something else so that you get really cool and unique decays.

It seems like a fairly straightforward idea, but a cursory google search over lunch didn't turn up anything similar. Does anyone know of anything like this?

Moog Music makes an analog delay with an external loop like that. And it's voltage-controllable. :3: And it's seven hundred dollars. :(

XYZAB
Jun 29, 2003

HNNNNNGG!!
:o:









The acoustiphonic preamp is set at too low a volume and doesn't respond correctly, so I've gotta take it all apart to adjust the trimpot. And at first glance, the MIDI didn't work when I plugged it into a VG-99. Maybe I should cut a hole in the back for easier servicing...?

More troubleshooting ahead, but it's finally playable.

treepunk as hell
Dec 29, 2008

Handen posted:





How does the neck feel? As good as you hoped?

ZombiePeanut
May 11, 2007

by Fistgrrl
Probably not as good as the warmoth '59 roundback neck on my new telecaster.

:ssh:

XYZAB
Jun 29, 2003

HNNNNNGG!!

Thoreau-Up posted:

How does the neck feel? As good as you hoped?

Better than I could have ever imagined. And it sustain-feedbacks for days. :q:

It is insanely neck-heavy, though. I need to come up with some ingenious plan to counteract that.

And instead of cutting a hole in the back for servicing, I'll cut the poo poo out of one of the extra pickguards I had cut so that I can mess with the insides while it's all done up. I'll do that later today I think.

XYZAB fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Feb 12, 2009

Scarf
Jun 24, 2005

On sight

Handen posted:

Better than I could have ever imagined. And it sustain-feedbacks for days. :q:

It is insanely neck-heavy, though. I need to come up with some ingenious plan to counteract that.

And instead of cutting a hole in the back for servicing, I'll cut the poo poo out of one of the extra pickguards I had cut so that I can mess with the insides while it's all done up. I'll do that later today I think.

You could try re-locating the strap button to the neck-joint. That always helped with the Thunderbird basses and their neck-dive.

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down

So how does that funky pickup sound anyway?

scuz
Aug 29, 2003

You can't be angry ALL the time!




Fun Shoe

Agreed posted:

So how does that funky pickup sound anyway?
I've wondered the same thing. What's it made of and who makes it? I remember perusing a website for it a while ago and forgot all it told me.

Gorilla Salsa
Dec 4, 2007

Post Post Post.

scuz posted:

I've wondered the same thing. What's it made of and who makes it? I remember perusing a website for it a while ago and forgot all it told me.

They're Q-Tuners. Some fancy book-learned magnets or sumthin' :clint:

XYZAB
Jun 29, 2003

HNNNNNGG!!
Sounds nice and crisp. I wish I had an SM-57 or something to go through my sweet Ampeg, but this is straight into the board so it might sound better.

http://tindeck.com/listen/bcuv

Something new I found out is that the mirror-like reflection level of the neck makes it seem like there's way more strings than there should be and then it gets confusing where to put your fingers. Especially maybe because I have the flu and I drank a bunch of cough syrup. :saddowns:

XYZAB fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Feb 12, 2009

firebad57
Dec 29, 2008
I know there aren't many classical guitars in this thread (though I did see an Alan Chapman in here at some point - nice guitars), and I HAVE had this baby for 6 months, so it's hardly new, but it takes a while to grow into a new guitar, and I think this guitar is finally "mine".

[How's that for a loving sentence?]

It's a 2006 Thomas Fredholm Cedar Double-top - previously owned by a friend who is a frequent client of Mr. Fredholm.

This is a similar, more recent Fredholm guitar - mine is the same design, but with a double-top.



(bigger pics of that guitar can be found here
http://guitarsint.com/detail.cfm/id/387 )
((Definitely look at the big pics, they're loving gorgeous, as are all the guitars/pictures at guitarsint - great guitar porn site))

It looks like this, but with a slightly nuttier, more aged looking cedar (could just be the lighting), and plenty of rasgueado damage on the face from too much Concierto de Aranjuez and Ginastera Sonata by both owners. It also has a 19th fret for the 1st string, so I can play those high C naturals that occur in SO MANY (0) pieces.


I'll get some pics up of my actual guitar when I get some good ones - I only have an iSight for a camera, and I don't think anybody wants any of those crappy pictures.

firebad57 fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Feb 12, 2009

the wizards beard
Apr 15, 2007
Reppin

4 LIFE 4 REAL
I got my ice-cream jazz yesterday. Learning bass is good fun.

scuz
Aug 29, 2003

You can't be angry ALL the time!




Fun Shoe

the wizards beard posted:

I got my ice-cream jazz yesterday. Learning bass is good fun.
For ADDED fun, tab out some Rage Against the Machine basslines by ear. It really helped me learn because it's pretty basic stuff. Timmy's got some awesome riffs, but it's pretty simple to play.

the wizards beard
Apr 15, 2007
Reppin

4 LIFE 4 REAL
I played this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS6RSctbgdA over and over last night. Learning a second instrument is really rewarding, I have the ear training already and a lot of technique transfers over from guitar.

scuz
Aug 29, 2003

You can't be angry ALL the time!




Fun Shoe

the wizards beard posted:

I played this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS6RSctbgdA over and over last night. Learning a second instrument is really rewarding, I have the ear training already and a lot of technique transfers over from guitar.
It's kind of disheartening for me, a primary bassist, to see the guitarists in my band play bass sometimes to notice that they're way better than I am :(

Where does one acquire ear training? Are you talking about hearing a melody in your head and being able to translate it quickly to the fretboard?

the wizards beard
Apr 15, 2007
Reppin

4 LIFE 4 REAL
yeah I mean a few years of experience. If I started bass as my first instrument yesterday I wouldn't be able to do that.

scuz
Aug 29, 2003

You can't be angry ALL the time!




Fun Shoe

the wizards beard posted:

yeah I mean a few years of experience. If I started bass as my first instrument yesterday I wouldn't be able to do that.
I wasn't trying to be a dick or anything. When I was learning music theory we had a lady try to teach us to identify pitches by ear by just doing drills and things like that, which is sort of what I thought you were talking about :).

the wizards beard
Apr 15, 2007
Reppin

4 LIFE 4 REAL
I have some software for that, but I'm self-taught and not really disciplined enough to spend a lot of time on it.

Test Pilot Monkey
Apr 27, 2003

I've seen Westerns, I know how to speak cowboy.

Handen posted:

:o:


The acoustiphonic preamp is set at too low a volume and doesn't respond correctly, so I've gotta take it all apart to adjust the trimpot. And at first glance, the MIDI didn't work when I plugged it into a VG-99. Maybe I should cut a hole in the back for easier servicing...?

More troubleshooting ahead, but it's finally playable.
God that's gorgeous.

About the MIDI, I can't see a GK pickup on there, unless I'm blind. As long as you have that and you have the VG-99 set up correctly for your guitar, then you should just be able to push the "Guitar to MIDI" button to set up things from the VG-99, and then use the USB or a MIDI cable to play whatever synths you like.

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XYZAB
Jun 29, 2003

HNNNNNGG!!

Uintathere posted:

God that's gorgeous.

About the MIDI, I can't see a GK pickup on there, unless I'm blind. As long as you have that and you have the VG-99 set up correctly for your guitar, then you should just be able to push the "Guitar to MIDI" button to set up things from the VG-99, and then use the USB or a MIDI cable to play whatever synths you like.

Ah, I should elaborate and use proper terms I guess... What I meant is, I went from the 13-pin out of the guitar into the 13-pin in of the VG-99 and it wasn't picking up anything. It's the Graphtech Ghost Hexpander preamp I've got in there that converts the vibrations from the piezo bridge saddles into whatever comes out from the 13-pin jack located above the 1/4" jack in that picture. Something's funky, and I'll have to take some time to figure out why it isn't working.

In the meantime, I ordered one of these on eBay:

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