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happyelf posted:ugh this is probably it, the whole result will be that the writer's favorite character gets a cool new ride Still sore all those stupid paladins died like the chumps they were, eh?
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Earlier in the thread: I wonder if V will become a lich. Now in the thread: Hmmm...The imp said he could probably teleport a lich. I know! Xykon!
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Feb 13, 2009 01:33
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bison wings posted:I see what you guys are saying about Xykon, but think about his character a bit. I'm not sure if anything motivates him beyond "I felt like it". He's currently trying to destroy creation and/or watching his TiVo. He doesn't listen to his own war meetings and has killed his own minions on plenty of occasions. What does a favor from a much less powerful wizard or an imp get him? An excursion to elf lands to fight an ancient dragon had better have some real in the moment benefits for him. Isn't there a gate in the elf lands? Or was that the one that burned down?
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Feb 13, 2009 01:44
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Taber posted:Earlier in the thread: I wonder if V will become a lich. There's no way V could complete the rituals in time.
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Feb 13, 2009 02:06
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Shyrka posted:Considering the dragon would have teleported right on top of V's family, they're probably already dead in the time it took for that conversation with the imp.
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Feb 13, 2009 02:38
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Zereth posted:Of course not, talking is a free action! You can spend hours debating strategy in the middle of a turn! well, whatever they decide, the Imp still has to teleport AND accomplish his task. If he teleports to Xykon and somehow convinces him/it to help, there is a second teleport that needs to happen. By then the dragon should be batting around the elves as if they were wounded mice.
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Feb 13, 2009 02:42
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Yes, but these are the heros, and I am sure Elan could lecture you greatly on the Law of DraMatic Effect.
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Feb 13, 2009 06:52
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I thought that V might become a Lich, but it was said that the rituals are too long. What exactly are the rituals?
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Feb 13, 2009 10:32
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tazman posted:I thought that V might become a Lich, but it was said that the rituals are too long. What exactly are the rituals? Unless more recent editions have changed things, it's unclear/up to the GM. How long they take isn't actually specified, but it's described as a deliberate and unspeakably evil process. I'd think most GMs would probably rule that the rituals themselves take anywhere from several hours to several days, and the necessary preparations take weeks or months.
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Feb 13, 2009 10:46
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Start of Darkness outlined Xykon's becoming a lich. Making the magic item took four months, but once it was made the spell was pretty much instantanious. Of course, Xykon enchanted the phylactery himself (the four month process), not sure if it has to be done by the spellcaster who's going to use it or not. (This is pretty moot anyway, I'm certain V will never become a lich.)
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Feb 13, 2009 12:24
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ConfusedUs posted:Xykon is awesome. He's dumb as poo poo and has the attention span of a hyperactive mouse hopped up on crack cocaine, but that's part of the fun. Xykon is an amusing side character, but he's the sort of personality who is really only engaging as a side character and for the way he interacts with the main storyline. A strip that was just about Xykon would rapidly get tiresome and dull because he'd pretty much never get poo poo done. Redcloak is much more interesting of a personality.
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Feb 13, 2009 15:30
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Ashcans posted:Xykon is an amusing side character, but he's the sort of personality who is really only engaging as a side character and for the way he interacts with the main storyline. A strip that was just about Xykon would rapidly get tiresome and dull because he'd pretty much never get poo poo done. Yeah, this. There's a reason Start of Darkness followed Redcloak rather than Xykon. For an engaging narrative you need to have a character with some depth and scope for development, which Xykon just doesn't.
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Feb 13, 2009 18:12
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Ashcans posted:Xykon is an amusing side character, but he's the sort of personality who is really only engaging as a side character and for the way he interacts with the main storyline. A strip that was just about Xykon would rapidly get tiresome and dull because he'd pretty much never get poo poo done. This is entirely true, but it doesn't change the basic fact that Xykon is awesome.
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Feb 13, 2009 18:33
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ConfusedUs posted:Xykon is awesome. He's dumb as poo poo and has the attention span of a hyperactive mouse hopped up on crack cocaine, but that's part of the fun. Well, as he said in an earlier strip he can't make new magic items for more than 8 hours a day and he doesn't need to sleep or eat. You'd get bored out of your mind too.
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Feb 13, 2009 18:46
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My favorite is Belkar more than Xykon. He's always got great quips. This drawn out split-up story arc is getting on my nerves unless Belkar is in it. Everyone else is flailing, but he's getting action from the thieve chick he just met. Even when they just refer to him it's funny, like the hypothetical offspring of Sauron and Cruella De Vil.
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Feb 14, 2009 00:47
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Hey new strip!   Looks like Disintegrate (x4) might've been the four words after all.
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Feb 14, 2009 05:05
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I took special notice of the ...Varsuvius posted:An hour?!? My adopted progeny will be long dead by then, imp! 
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Feb 14, 2009 05:14
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Feb 14, 2009 06:04
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On the one hand, I don't want Vaarsuuvius to be lost to evil. On the other hand, I want to see him gently caress that dragon up with crazy magicks. Either way, I am excited.
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Feb 14, 2009 06:11
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ConfusedUs posted:Hey new strip! "I cannot fail again."
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Feb 14, 2009 06:14
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Wolfsheim posted:On the one hand, I don't want Vaarsuuvius to be lost to evil. On the other hand, I want to see him gently caress that dragon up with crazy magicks. V might not get lost to evil. Faustian deals tend to be more along these lines: Devil: "Here's all the power in the world for the rest of your mortal life. Go gently caress that dragon up, kid." V: "I accept your terms" (or any other 4 words) Devil: "I hope he gets there in time. We really need a new baker in Hell."
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Feb 14, 2009 06:44
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Is it just me or did we get some form of confirmation that V is a male in this strip? The imp did say Mr. Elf, sir, right. Unless he's just saying that as a guess...
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Feb 14, 2009 07:30
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The 4 words thing will be the actual dealmaker. All the imp did was get approval to make a deal.
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Feb 14, 2009 07:48
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Seluin posted:"I cannot fail again." See also: "I require power, NOW!" Your guess has a more dramatic ring to it, though. EDIT: tazman posted:The 4 words thing will be the actual dealmaker. All the imp did was get approval to make a deal. Yeah, but it's so fun to speculate on! And at least we're leaving out the idea of it being four words that aren't in succession in their conversation...
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Feb 14, 2009 07:56
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Ugh . . . He's going to Gay Male route. I don't have a problem with the fact he would be gay, I would have a problem with the fact that everyone seems to be using that as a new twist to surprise people, and gain some attention. I'm personally hoping for an early elven onset of Menopause. Because, I have always held the opinion that V is female, and I want to be able to say that I was right.
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Feb 14, 2009 08:56
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There ARE plenty of couples who adopt that arent gay you know! If anything I find it funny because it throws you off that teensy bit more. Ha!
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Rennej posted:Is it just me or did we get some form of confirmation that V is a male in this strip? The imp did say Mr. Elf, sir, right. Unless he's just saying that as a guess...
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Feb 14, 2009 12:33
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Tag Plastic posted:NPCs have used pronouns for V before, using their best guesses. I seem to recall a conversation between Nale and Sabine about V where one used 'he' and one used 'she' throughout. The party does too, when V's not alienating them. Roy, for instance definitely thinks/thought V was a man. Haley trusts V enough to share a room, so I'm guessing she thinks V's a girl, and oh god, we're turning into THAT forum, aren't we? V is "It's Pat." That is all.
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Feb 14, 2009 17:11
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so does the Imp get a finders fee or a bonus of some sort for brokering this deal?
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Feb 14, 2009 17:46
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I see you guys keep mentioning something about "four words," but I'm drawing a blank as to what you're referring to. I think I vaguely remember something similar from the oracle?
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Feb 14, 2009 18:52
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SlimGoodbody posted:I see you guys keep mentioning something about "four words," but I'm drawing a blank as to what you're referring to. I think I vaguely remember something similar from the oracle? Yeah, the Oracle said something to the effect that V would gain 'ultimate power' by saying the right four words, at the right time, for all the wrong reasons.
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Feb 14, 2009 19:05
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SlimGoodbody posted:I see you guys keep mentioning something about "four words," but I'm drawing a blank as to what you're referring to. I think I vaguely remember something similar from the oracle? http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html
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Feb 14, 2009 23:11
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You'd figure saving your kids and uh, civil union partner would be far off the "for all the wrong reasons" track.
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I'm really, really gobsmacked that people don't accept that the four words were "Disintegrate. Gust of Wind.". It's practically spelled out on the very next page. V said the right four words (above), to the right being (Kubota, executing him, which even Elan admitted was probably for the best), for all the wrong reasons (just because Elan tied him up, and then only for the sake of expediency and his own personal convenience). This leads to the argument to Elan that makes him leave for the island-- then the dragon jumps him, scoots off to kill V's kids, and boom he has to sell his soul for ultimate power. Had he left Kubota alive to stand trial, none of this would have happened.
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Feb 15, 2009 08:14
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SirDan3k posted:You'd figure saving your kids and uh, civil union partner would be far off the "for all the wrong reasons" track. Maybe it could be considered "for all the wrong reasons" when the kids are already dead by the time he finishes the ritual. 
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Feb 15, 2009 18:37
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I wonder if this means we're going to get back to the central plot soon-ish. The devils V's dealing with know about the gates, and the price for their assistance is likely to include V getting to a gate asap and handing it over to them.
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Feb 15, 2009 18:55
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ShadowCatboy posted:Maybe it could be considered "for all the wrong reasons" when the kids are already dead by the time he finishes the ritual. Yeah, generally revenge is considered a "wrong" reason. V's having a bad month or so.
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Feb 15, 2009 18:56
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I wonder what sort of power they will/can give V, do any sourcebooks cover this?
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Feb 15, 2009 19:06
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Affi posted:I wonder what sort of power they will/can give V, do any sourcebooks cover this? Sounds like a variant on a ring of three wishes scenario to me. The outcome will depend entirely on how much of a dick the GM feels like being.
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Affi posted:I wonder what sort of power they will/can give V, do any sourcebooks cover this? Fiendish Codex II covers this in some detail. There's two types of pacts - Pact Insidious and Pact Certain. Pact Insidious typically covers numerous small/middling favours over a period of time in exchange for the mortal performing various lawful evil acts that inexorably nudge them towards damnation, typically without the mortal realising it. Pact Certain is likely what V's getting, where the mortal gets one large reward/service in exchange for their soul upon their demise (which the devil typically will try to ensure as soon as possible once the pact has been signed, since repentant mortals can have such pacts annuled by an Atonement spell). The typical reward for a 12th level PC (I think that's what V is) for signing such a pact would be either 6,000XP (half the XP needed to go from level 12 to level 13), 52,800gp (assuming standard PC wealth by level is followed, since it's 60% of current wealth), or additional feats/spell slots/ability score increases (a feat is worth 4 'points', a spell slot of any level is 3, and a +1 increase to any ability score is 5 - a Pact Certain typically offers 7 points to play with). DoctorTristan posted:I wonder if this means we're going to get back to the central plot soon-ish. The devils V's dealing with know about the gates, and the price for their assistance is likely to include V getting to a gate asap and handing it over to them. Well, Sabine's a Succubus, so the Imp is probably on the opposite side as her. Although if demons know about the gate then surely devils do as well. Shyrka fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Feb 15, 2009 |
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