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This has probably been asked, but where do I start with Jazz? I know this is a ridiculously broad question. I need somewhere to start - I've never even dipped my toes in the genre. My interest is to learn jazz guitar. I've read a lot that listening is a big part of learning jazz (almost as much as practicing it), so who do I listen to first?
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^^ i would like to know this as well.
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Shatner posted:This has probably been asked, but where do I start with Jazz? I know this is a ridiculously broad question. I need somewhere to start - I've never even dipped my toes in the genre. My interest is to learn jazz guitar. I've read a lot that listening is a big part of learning jazz (almost as much as practicing it), so who do I listen to first? Time Out by the Dave Brubeck Quartet, Giant Steps by John Coltrane, and Kind of Blue by Miles Davis.
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Feb 20, 2009 20:48
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Juttman posted:Time Out by the Dave Brubeck Quartet, Giant Steps by John Coltrane, and Kind of Blue by Miles Davis. Thanks, I was also checking out some Jazz books at the music store today, and I grabbed one up. In the beginning it says just what I did (listening to is just as important as playing jazz)and it has a list of "Who's who in jazz guitar." Here is that list for everyone: quote:George Benson - Blue Benson ...and a few more. I'll be happy to list the rest for anybody who wants them, just PM me.
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Feb 20, 2009 21:16
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Shatner posted:This has probably been asked, but where do I start with Jazz? I know this is a ridiculously broad question. I need somewhere to start - I've never even dipped my toes in the genre. My interest is to learn jazz guitar. I've read a lot that listening is a big part of learning jazz (almost as much as practicing it), so who do I listen to first? I'd actually start at the beginning of jazz since it's easier to get into if you can hear how the music evolved. Start with New Orleans/dixie/classic jazz like Louis Armstrong's Hot 5 and 7 recordings, Jelly Roll Morton, and the Original Dixieland Jazz Band. All of these guys were super melodic and their music will probably be instantly appealing to you. From there move on to swing and listen to Duke Ellington and Count Basie. This era also used melodic improvisation but expanded the amount of instruments and added more diverse instrumental texture. As a slight detour, you should definitely listen to some western swing as well. This is basically swing played with country and bluegrass instruments, but as the Wiki article states it incldues a lot of stylistic diversity. The best western swing acts were Bob Wills and Milton Brown. As an example of western swing, I was listening to Bob Wills just last night and one of his tracks could be described as improvised, high-tempo string and percussion mixed with blues and tex-mex style guitar and with gospel singing so good you might as well be listening to it in a southern Baptist church. Back to jazz proper, from swing move on to bebop and listen to Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie and Thelonious Monk. Bebop is where jazz became rather complex so expect less catchiness compared to the previous eras. After that there's cool, hard bop, and later modal jazz. Miles Davis(any of his 50's-60's albums really), Stan Getz, Art Blakey, and too many others to list. Free Jazz is next(ornette Coleman, Eric Dolphy, John Coltrane, et al.), followed by fusion and then all sorts of stylistic splits into combinations with more modern music. Since you want to learn jazz guitar, specifically listen to Django Reinhardt, Wes Montgomery, and maybe even Blind Blake who while not a jazz musician per se, plays some awesome ragtime guitar.
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Feb 20, 2009 21:36
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King Astronaut posted:Checked the last few pages, but didn't find anything for Devin Townshend/Strapping Young Lad. I like what little bit I've heard off last.fm. Sorry I can't help with more specifics, but I am pretty open to all suggestions. For SYL, get City. Not only is the best SYL album, it's also one of the best pure heavy albums I've heard. For Devin Townsend, almost every album he puts out sounds somewhat different then the next and previous, but Terria was the first one I got and its a drat fine album. One of his "first" solo albums "Punky Brewster/Hooked On Phonics" is a great pop punk album taking the piss out of the genre.
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Where do I get started with Faust? I've been interested in krautrock as of late and from what I've read these guys were one of the most significant acts. However, their discography seems to be all over the place, with some hella long tracks. I can deal with this but it'd be nice to start with their most accessible album.
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Feb 21, 2009 00:10
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King Astronaut posted:Checked the last few pages, but didn't find anything for Devin Townshend/Strapping Young Lad. I like what little bit I've heard off last.fm. Sorry I can't help with more specifics, but I am pretty open to all suggestions. Yeah for SYL go with City like the other guy said. I started with Alien which is probably my second favourite album from them, both are excellent. For Devin Townsend I would say start with Ocean Machine and Terria, both showcase his style really well and between them have what I think are my two favourite songs he's ever done, The Death of Music and Earth Day. After that I'd go to Infinity because it's an amazing album and it's a toss-up between it and Synchestra as my all-time favourite Townsend album. Physicist was his attempt at crossing the DT/SYL styles, Accelerated Evolution was his attempt at writing more conventional, but still Devin, songs, also with a band instead of just solo or SYL. Devlab and The Hummer are experimental ambient soundscapes. Ziltoid was a return to his solo stuff and it's also hilarious. Also he guested on Ayreon's The Human Equation album, which is a really great album in itself, and did the vocal work for James Murphy's (guitarist from Testament and Death) solo album Convergence and he sounds awesome on it.
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Feb 21, 2009 16:13
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Ok, I had to scroll through 17 pages to see if this had not been asked already, and I didn't see it. So I ask, where does one start with Opeth? I'm not a huge metalhead, but I do like some bands in the more progressive vein, like the more recent Mastodon albums.
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Feb 22, 2009 22:18
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ossiferluficer posted:Ok, I had to scroll through 17 pages to see if this had not been asked already, and I didn't see it. So I ask, where does one start with Opeth? I'm not a huge metalhead, but I do like some bands in the more progressive vein, like the more recent Mastodon albums. Blackwater Park is generally recognized as their best album.
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Feb 22, 2009 22:30
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ultrafilter posted:Blackwater Park is generally recognized as their best album. Seconding this. But if you can get two, get "Still Life" as well.
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Feb 22, 2009 22:36
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MilitantBlackGuy posted:Any recommendations on where to start with The Doors? Sorry if this has popped up a billion times.
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Feb 23, 2009 00:18
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ossiferluficer posted:Ok, I had to scroll through 17 pages to see if this had not been asked already, and I didn't see it. So I ask, where does one start with Opeth? I'm not a huge metalhead, but I do like some bands in the more progressive vein, like the more recent Mastodon albums.
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Feb 23, 2009 00:25
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thetruancybot posted:Where do I get started with Faust? I've been interested in krautrock as of late and from what I've read these guys were one of the most significant acts. However, their discography seems to be all over the place, with some hella long tracks. I can deal with this but it'd be nice to start with their most accessible album. IV is probably the most accessible one (although it sucks). The first two is where it's at, and after that random live albums throughout the years.
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Feb 23, 2009 00:29
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Where should I start with The Cure?
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EpicHero posted:Where should I start with The Cure? That's a toughie, it really depends what your tastes are - if you like poppy music, I'd start with Boys Don't Cry* the first album, then jump forward into Head on the Door and Kiss Me, Kiss Me Kiss Me. If slow, dirgy, near-Goth music is your bag, go with Faith, Seventeen Seconds and maybe Bloodflowers But if it's howling, emotionally-wrenching Cure you're after, start with Disintegration, Wish then backtrack to Pornography. Honestly, picking up the singles compilation, Standing on the Beach might be the easiest thing, it's a good sampling of everything they did pre-Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me and there's not a bad cut on it. Galore compiles their later output up to about Y2K and it's excellent as well. I'd recomend a newbie stay away from the 2003 self-titled album and The Top, I think they are the Cure's weakest discs, and I'm only lukewarm on the live albums or Wild Mood Swings either. *it was recently re-released in with it's original UK title, Three Imaginary Boys with some extra tracks.
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Where should I start with MF Doom? I have Operation Doomsday and MM..Food so far and they've got me really interested.
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Feb 23, 2009 14:08
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JnnyThndrs posted:Helpful stuff Thanks! I've had Galore for a while now and really enjoy tracks like Why Can't I Be You, Mint Car, and Gone!...where do you think that would put me in terms of an album?
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Feb 23, 2009 21:09
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EpicHero posted:Thanks! I've had Galore for a while now and really enjoy tracks like Why Can't I Be You, Mint Car, and Gone!...where do you think that would put me in terms of an album? I'd go with Head on the Door and Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, I think you'll enjoy both albums.
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Feb 24, 2009 00:52
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I was wondering where a good place to start would be for Elvis Presley. Songs of his I really like are Love Me Tender, Suspicious Minds and Can't Help Falling in Love. I also need help!(ha,ha) on where to start with The Beatles. I know of some of their albumns, though I don't know which are any good. I quite like Paul McCartney and John Lennon's solo songs that I have heard. I would especially like to get into Lennon's work. I'd also like to know which other Smashing Pumpkins albums are good, I already have Siamese Dream.
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A Sober Irishman posted:I was wondering where a good place to start would be for Elvis Presley. Songs of his I really like are Love Me Tender, Suspicious Minds and Can't Help Falling in Love. I also need help!(ha,ha) on where to start with The Beatles. I know of some of their albumns, though I don't know which are any good. I quite like Paul McCartney and John Lennon's solo songs that I have heard. I would especially like to get into Lennon's work. If you want more bombast and overblown tracks with a zillion guitar tracks, venture into Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. This is their double-disc monster with all the accouterments of mid-90's production values. The amount of filler is debatable, since the happy-go-lucky fan will turn their noses at tracks like "Cupid de Locke", "Love", or the Iha track. The hardcore fans will, of course, defend everything vehemently. Regardless, that album provided mega singles like "Tonight, Tonight" , "Bullet with Butterfly Wings", and "1979." There's also some incredible deep album cuts ("Porcelina" , "Thru the Eyes of Ruby", and "X.Y.U") if you're a fan of the barnburner "Silverfuck." However, if what you're looking for is "Siamese Dream Part Deux" then I would suggest checking out Piscese Iscariot. This was a b-sides/outtakes compilation that had a lot of the material for the Siamese Dream era. "Hello Kitty Kat", "Pissant" and "Frail and Bedazzled" are some of the best Pumpkins tracks never heard and the infinite "Starla" (originally a b-side to "I Am One") is text book softLOUDsoftREALLYFUCKINGLOUD. Also, go backwards to Gish and the lull ep. This the pumpkins aping a more psychedelic sound, and is not as "shoegazey" as Siamese Dream nor as "robotic" as Machina and everything they would do afterward. Finally, go find the Singles soundtrack. While the Pumpkins were the only non-Seattle band, they did get lumped into that category in the early 90's (mainly because of Gish). Their one contribution to the soundtrack, "Drown" is delicious, and the soundtrack version provides the extended feedback coda that was edited out on the Greatest Hits release. If you decide you like the "different" sound they attempt on a lot of the Mellon Collie material, then by all means try some of the later albums. Adore is the sound of a band without a crucial component, and it definitely shows. Everything is lush, with a lot of acoustic work. Machina: The Machines of God and Zeitgeist are probably not worth it unless you have a serious jones for Corgan in full on nasal whine mode trying to desperately recreate the sound he nailed so hard with "Zero." These are mostly average tracks with a few nods toward genius. Machina II (their free-internet release, before that sort of thing became widely popular) probably has better material that both Machina and Zeitgeist combined. The second disc of Rotten Apples (their greatest hits), titled Judas 0 has some of the tracks from that release. OK, that was longer than necessary. TL;DR ... go backwards from Siamese Dream to get arguably the respected aspect of the Pumpkins career. Go forward if you want a taste of why Corgan is so reviled by a lot of people, but yet still strangely adored by the masses. Addenum: The Areoplane Flies High can be found mega-cheap used, and is the singles/b-sides collection from Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. So, you get all the excellent singles from that album, plus some great b-sides as well.
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A Sober Irishman posted:I was wondering where a good place to start would be for Elvis Presley. Songs of his I really like are Love Me Tender, Suspicious Minds and Can't Help Falling in Love. But if you've just gotta have an album, go with his self-titled and Aloha: live via satellite and you've got both early and late. And if you want to fill in the middle find a video of his 68 comeback special
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guy posted:Beatles I personally think their best is Revolver. Every song on it is great, from Harrison's political "Taxman" to Lennon's experimental "Tomorrow Never Knows." It is pop bliss. I'd say it is best to start with Revolver, Abbey Road, and The White Album. After that, I'd go with Sgt. Pepper, Rubber Soul, or Magical Mystery Tour. Then after you get them, go with Help! and Let It Be. Then if you care to get into their earlier stuff, get A Hard Days Night and work your way back, but personally I'm not a fan of anything before A Hard Days Night.
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TheHill posted:Where should I start with MF Doom? check out Danger Doom (the cartoon network themed album he did with Danger Mouse), Victor Vaughan and Madvillain (w/ Mad Lib). For an extended tour, you can pick up King Gheedorah, but i don't really like that one. it's pure doom, but i never really got into it.
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Where to begin with Neko Case? Listening to what's available on last.fm but most of the full tracks that are available are from The Tigers Have Spoken and I'm not big on live albums generally so I'd like to start elsewhere. I understand some of her work is more easily classified as alt-country and other parts are less so. I'm a fan of alt- and classic country (digging her take on "Wayfaring Stranger", though as far as recent versions go, I'd probably take Blanche's off If We Can't Trust the Doctors). Also, she's part of the New Pornographers, right? Didn't really care for what I heard of their stuff, though I haven't heard much. So based on those preferences, what should I start with?
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Where should I start with Black Sabbath? They're a huge band and have influnced many of my favorite artists, but I havn't heard much of them apart from a couple of famous songs. I took a look at their discog and its huge, where would a good place to begin be?
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Shakespearean Beef posted:Where should I start with Black Sabbath? They're a huge band and have influnced many of my favorite artists, but I havn't heard much of them apart from a couple of famous songs. I took a look at their discog and its huge, where would a good place to begin be? The short answer is that you should go in chronological order. I don't care for Black Sabbath without Ozzy, so I can't speak to those albums. Black Sabbath and Paranoid are must-haves for any metal fan, and the next two (Masters of Reality and Vol. 4) are up there too. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage may be worth picking up if you really like what you've heard so far.
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ultrafilter posted:The short answer is that you should go in chronological order. I don't care for Black Sabbath without Ozzy, so I can't speak to those albums. Black Sabbath and Paranoid are must-haves for any metal fan, and the next two (Masters of Reality and Vol. 4) are up there too. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage may be worth picking up if you really like what you've heard so far. Just get the Ozzy and Dio Black Sabbath stuff, skip anything else Black Sabbath ever released. For the Dio years, get Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules. They released another album with Dio later on (Dehumanizer) but I can't comment on it since I've never heard it. For me, the Dio Sabbath was a much stronger band, the songs were much better IMO. Much better song craftsmanship. I'm not saying that Ozzy era Sabbath was bad, I enjoy Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Vol. 4 a lot.
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Polegrinder posted:Just get the Ozzy and Dio Black Sabbath stuff, skip anything else Black Sabbath ever released. For the Dio years, get Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules. They released another album with Dio later on (Dehumanizer) but I can't comment on it since I've never heard it. I'd recommend getting Dehumanizer as well - it's more modern-sounding than the other Dio albums, and more doomy. A strong album from start to finish, with a few awesome songs.
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Jherek Carnelian posted:I'd recommend getting Dehumanizer as well - it's more modern-sounding than the other Dio albums, and more doomy. A strong album from start to finish, with a few awesome songs. I guess I'll have to check that one out too then.
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where should i start with Jamiroquai?
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p-hop posted:Where should I start with Daniel Johnston? So many albums, and all of them scare me a little. I know this got answered already, but I'd like to offer a different opinion and suggest you go listen to 1990... I think it's by far his most accessible album, (relatively) well produced and containing some of his greatest songs. Yip/Jump music / Hi how are you? are the best known though. Personally, my favourite album of his is Don't Be Scared, but you have to wade through a few tape collages to get to the songs. Well worth it though. Good luck, hope you find something you like.
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TheHill posted:Where should I start with MF Doom? Have you tried Madvillainy yet? It was released in 2004. It's similar to MM... Food in that it's stuffed with all kinds of samples from a range of sources and it's choppy, layered, reference-heavy and glossed with a layer of pop-culture. Listen out for the elephants blowing through their trunks from one of the KO sections of Street Fight II (Dahlsim's stage probably, but I've not played the game in years). There are a lot of urban myths relating to this album, mostly revolving around MF Doom not bothering to write the lyrics until he was in the studio. If this was the case, then the man's a genius, because he wraps little patters and lyrics around his tongue that simply wouldn't work with anybody else. Of course, it's all centered around Madlib's insanely lush production work... the man manages to make a SLAMMING hop hop tune out of an accordion, for goodness sake. MF Doom goes hand-in-hand with Madlib. You have to check out his work too, specifically 'The Other Side of Los Angeles', 'Studio Kinda Cloudy Volume II' and 'The Further Adventures of Lord Quas'. He raps too, under the moniker of Quasimodo. A lot of people don't like the production he puts his voice through, and it is grating at first, but stick with it because it's a very rewarding style once it clicks. Once you head down the path of MF Doom and Madlib, it's difficult to listen to other styles of hip hop. It's all so colourful and self-aware and funky and playful. I am OK fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Mar 10, 2009 |
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A genre question, but one a little easier than the jazz one because it's not exactly a broad genre. Where do I start with darkwave?
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Shakespearean Beef posted:Where should I start with Black Sabbath? They're a huge band and have influnced many of my favorite artists, but I havn't heard much of them apart from a couple of famous songs. I took a look at their discog and its huge, where would a good place to begin be? The other posts are kinda overwhelming recommending everything, and I agree with them for the most part cause goddamn I love Sabbath, but I'm gonna make this easy for you. Start with Paranoid, and then do Master of Reality. Those are the two are the essential Sabbath sound. Paranoid has more radio singles and all the famous tracks off it so it's probably easier to start at, but Master of Reality has better production and still brings the serious doomy riffs. I'd place the two albums at about even, I'm just giving Paranoid the slight edge if you're looking for their most well known stuff along with being awesome. Also, keep in mind that whatever you do, don't get Technical Ecstasy or Never Say Die. Every other Ozzy album ranges from good to fantastic though, it's just those two that really suck and might scare you off the band if you try them out early in your Sabbath experience. All the Dio stuff is great too. The rest of their stuff's a bit more hit and miss. When people talk about liking Sabbath, they're usually talking about the Ozzy/Dio years, so that narrows it down to 11 albums, which while still a lot shaves off about 7 you don't need. Like everyone's saying, most of those are good, but to start with, definitely go with Paranoid and Master of Reality.
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Soylent Heliotrope posted:A genre question, but one a little easier than the jazz one because it's not exactly a broad genre. Where do I start with darkwave? I'd say start with Switchblade Symphony and the Cruxshadows, and then use last.fm's list of similar artists for each to find other acts to check out.
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Where do I start with Jesus and the Mary Chain? I've heard Psychocandy is a good start. What else?
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theblackw0lf posted:Where do I start with Jesus and the Mary Chain? I've heard Psychocandy is a good start. What else? Darklands after that.
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hatelull posted:Pumpkins Ehhhh I disagree. I think Adore and Machina lyric-wise were Corgan's best and while Machina had some clunkers, the good stuff is really good. I think Mellon Collie is by far their worst album. Tons of filler and 14 year old gently caress YOU DAD angst. That said I think it's essential listening for Pumpkins fans. I'd go for him: Gish Pisces Iscariot Adore The Aeroplane Flies High Machina I MC&IS Machina II You're going to need to delete some of the shittier songs from Machina II to truly get it, although most of those clunkers are just remixes of other songs so in the long run it doesn't matter. The Itunes Rarities and B-Sides is an excellent collection, but unless you want to splurge, forget about it. The only reason I have it is because the system glitched in like 2006/07 and made it only $10 for a day. EDIT: Oh yeah, Zeitgeist, the bonus tracks, and the acoustic b-side are all worth a listen. The good stuff on Zeitgeist is really good and the bonus stuff aside from like one track is solid. Nut Bunnies fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Mar 16, 2009 |
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Where do I start with the Melvins? I picked up Sieg Howdy just for the hell of it near a year ago now, and I really dug that one, but with 19 studio albums that apparently are crazy varied and all good I really don't have any idea where to move on from there. EDIT: I suppose for clarification, abrasiveness, heaviness and lack of melody are non-issues for me so don't worry about it if where you think I should go next involves 15 minute long drone tracks. I'll probably enjoy it, I'm just looking for some direction. CRISPYBABY fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Mar 16, 2009 |
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