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Hob_Gadling posted:So, who is betting on the dragon not actually teleporting at V's family? V is pretty screwed as it is, and the dragon might rather play it safe and let the demons do the dirty work. The dragon doesn't know about the demons.
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Brannock posted:The dragon doesn't know about the demons.
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Feb 27, 2009 02:39
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Nosy_G posted:How do you know that? Maybe this is just a total mind-gently caress on the dragon's part in order to get V to sell his soul. That would be way too contrived, I think.
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Feb 27, 2009 02:39
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Nosy_G posted:How do you know that? Maybe this is just a total mind-gently caress on the dragon's part in order to get V to sell his soul. I think V could very easily scry on the dragon with the power of 3 epic casters. edit: especially considering that all V has been doing for these last few months at sea is develop new scrying spells. bison wings fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Feb 27, 2009 |
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Feb 27, 2009 03:27
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Sick_Boy posted:That would be way too contrived, I think. I don't think there is such a thing as 'way too contrived' to a dragon.
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Feb 27, 2009 03:38
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This precisely. Although I think that the idea of the dragon being in cahoots with the demons is unlikely, there is no "too contrived" for dragons. If you ever want to write a super-intelligent creature like a dragon, just assume it knows more of the plot than everybody else. The rest follows.
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Feb 28, 2009 03:35
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LuchadoresDelNixon posted:Although I think that the idea of the dragon being in cahoots with the demons is unlikely, there is no "too contrived" for dragons. I was thinking more on the lines of dragon having asked oracle "what would be a great enough threat to get V to do something really stupid?" After all, it would have been vastly simpler to just kill the kids beforehand and come gloat with them as zombies.
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Feb 28, 2009 13:04
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Hob_Gadling posted:I was thinking more on the lines of dragon having asked oracle "what would be a great enough threat to get V to do something really stupid?" After all, it would have been vastly simpler to just kill the kids beforehand and come gloat with them as zombies. Simplier but not as dramatic. Knowing what is going to happen to them, and then knowing there is nothing at all you can do to stop it would be horrifying.
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Feb 28, 2009 15:28
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I think this is being a little overthought. Most likely the dragon did nothing more than ask the Oracle who killed her son and where his/her family was. Dragons may be clever, but they're pretty arrogant and overconfident too.
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Mar 1, 2009 02:25
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Geshtal posted:overthought Welcome to every OOtS thread on the internet.
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New strip, but it's larger in dimension than Waffleimages will mirror. Using xs.to instead  I must say the four words are disappointing. ConfusedUs fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Mar 2, 2009 |
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Mar 2, 2009 01:54
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ConfusedUs posted:New strip, but it's larger in dimension than Waffleimages will mirror. Wish I'd thought of that 'cutting your own head off' plan - that was pretty drat good.
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Mar 2, 2009 02:00
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That's a pretty good strip, the new characters are great too. V is a badass.
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Mar 2, 2009 02:05
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Here it is in two parts, then. Click here for the full 712x935 image.  Click here for the full 712x1329 image. Edit: gently caress, beaten.
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Mar 2, 2009 02:05
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I'm going to add that I love the way the three fiends are drawn. You really get a sense that they're swooping around in an unnerving way.
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Mar 2, 2009 02:06
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I am somewhat wary of any plan that begins with "cut your own head off", but Vaarsuvius is totally out of excuses now. Though he looks totally dejected in that panel where he first grabs the blue pill. 
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Mar 2, 2009 02:11
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Vanadium posted:I am somewhat wary of any plan that begins with "cut your own head off"
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Mar 2, 2009 02:30
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So, the casting time for Sending isn't a problem because there's a scroll for it... but Resurrection also takes 10 minutes to cast, and how likely is it that he has that one prepared (+5k gp of diamonds)? Or is this one the scroll that he has? Or does he have scrolls for both? Do scrolls even shorten the casting time?
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Mar 2, 2009 03:44
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I wonder what level V's master is, considering how nonchalantly he supposedly could dispose of the dragon.
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Mar 2, 2009 05:02
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You really have to respect the evilness of the IFCC. Not only are they on their way toward the total destruction of good via simplistic Faustian bargan, they managed to push in that extra little bit of guilt right before completing the act. Plus there was the plagiarism with blue and red orbs, and encouraging both suicide and murder. Really, it's just too bad they couldn't find a way to work a little wife coveting in there.
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Mar 2, 2009 05:53
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"I... I must succeed" is a fantastic four words because it so neatly encapsulate's the cause of V's damnation. S/he could totally follow Lee's plan and win without owing anything, but the drive for personal success, personal power, personal worth, and personal value is what drives Varsuuvius. It's perfect.
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Mar 2, 2009 09:05
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LightWarden posted:So, the casting time for Sending isn't a problem because there's a scroll for it... but Resurrection also takes 10 minutes to cast, and how likely is it that he has that one prepared (+5k gp of diamonds)? Or is this one the scroll that he has? Or does he have scrolls for both? Do scrolls even shorten the casting time? Because they have the head, couldn't Durkon just cast a Raise Dead spell?
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Mar 2, 2009 11:11
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This storyline has been my favourite since the siege of Azure city. The IFCC are amazing. I wish I could create NPCs that brilliant.
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Mar 2, 2009 11:14
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Pope Guilty posted:"I... I must succeed" is a fantastic four words because it so neatly encapsulate's the cause of V's damnation. S/he could totally follow Lee's plan and win without owing anything, but the drive for personal success, personal power, personal worth, and personal value is what drives Varsuuvius. It's perfect. i read it as the way hero boy says it in freakazoid
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Mar 2, 2009 12:11
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Pope Guilty posted:"I... I must succeed" is a fantastic four words because it so neatly encapsulate's the cause of V's damnation. S/he could totally follow Lee's plan and win without owing anything, but the drive for personal success, personal power, personal worth, and personal value is what drives Varsuuvius. It's perfect. I'm sorry but to save her family I can't even imagine that these four words are said "for all the wrong reasons" right now. Though I stand ready to be proven wrong.
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Mar 2, 2009 14:15
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Kleedrac posted:I'm sorry but to save her family I can't even imagine that these four words are said "for all the wrong reasons" right now. Though I stand ready to be proven wrong. He could have saved his family without damning his soul as they explicitly spelled out in the strip. Hello?
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Mar 2, 2009 14:49
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Kleedrac posted:I'm sorry but to save her family I can't even imagine that these four words are said "for all the wrong reasons" right now. Though I stand ready to be proven wrong. Right now, the reason isn't "Save my family", it's "Save my family and my pride". Thus, it's the wrong reason.
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Mar 2, 2009 14:51
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Doesn't that mean that the Oracle knows about this whole thing?
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Mar 2, 2009 14:56
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Well there's also more chance for things to go ring if he goes the self-sacrificing route. For example; a) The Imp dies en route to the fleet. b) The Imp's message is somehow lost or damaged in crossing the ocean or under attack from the fleet. c) The Imp tries to twist the message because you sent me to my death you big hot tranny mess d) V's master can't be reached because of Wizardry. e) V's master doesn't listen to the message because he's a dick/elf. f) V's master can't get to the dragon in time. g) V's master isn't strong enough to kill the dragon. That's playing devil's advocate though. It's pretty clear he made the "wrong" choice.
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Mar 2, 2009 14:58
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Nilbop posted:Well there's also more chance for things to go ring if he goes the self-sacrificing route. For example; The first two are irrelevant because he'd be teleporting. The last one is irrelevant because the plan only relies on the gang seeing V's head and raising him.
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Only in D&D can not killing oneself and having one's head sent to his friends by a literal devil be the wrong choice.
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Durkon couldn't have rezzed V with only his head available, right? You'd need true resurrection / reincarnation for that. Since the fiends are only interested in tipping the balance towards evil and destroy the celestials, I wonder what the hell they want to use V for. Controlling the snarl at the last possible moment or something else?
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Mar 2, 2009 16:45
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tripwood posted:Durkon couldn't have rezzed V with only his head available, right? You'd need true resurrection / reincarnation for that. Bear in mind that you are taking three different varieties of devil at their word, here. Not even big strong leather-clad flaming-whip wielding devils. Devils with hoods and glowing eyes and no faces.
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Mar 2, 2009 16:50
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tripwood posted:Durkon couldn't have rezzed V with only his head available, right? You'd need true resurrection / reincarnation for that. Nah, just resurrection. Raise Dead: Body intact. Resurrection: Body not intact, but possess tangible remains of the body. True Resurection: Body not intact, don't possess any part of the body. So resurrection would work.
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tripwood posted:Durkon couldn't have rezzed V with only his head available, right? You'd need true resurrection / reincarnation for that. They each get his soul for a period of time, but I notice that they never specified that he had to be dead first.
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Mar 2, 2009 17:29
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DoctorTristan posted:They each get his soul for a period of time, but I notice that they never specified that he had to be dead first. Yeah, Burlew is getting a bit obvious in pointing out the gun over the mantelpiece. The part where V was going on about how the soul-usage would be easily forgettable blah blah was kind of a giveaway.
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Mar 2, 2009 18:27
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Neito posted:Right now, the reason isn't "Save my family", it's "Save my family and my pride". Thus, it's the wrong reason. Burlew will probably never clear it up, because I think he feeds on nerd debates on the Internet or something.
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Mar 2, 2009 20:47
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CapnAndy posted:Yeah, but a bunch of demons -- plural -- are the right person -- singular? And now is the right time? "Disintegrate. Gust of wind." works much better in the end. Right four words to the right person, to end that guy's stupid loving scheming, but for all the wrong reasons, since he did it just because he didn't care about that dude's plot, and it's a straight line from then to now. I dunno, I think the strip title pretty much proves these are the four words.
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Mar 2, 2009 20:51
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CK07 posted:Yeah, Burlew is getting a bit obvious in pointing out the gun over the mantelpiece. The part where V was going on about how the soul-usage would be easily forgettable blah blah was kind of a giveaway.
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There's also the fact that V will almost certainly be held responsible for what the demons do with his/her soul during their time with it. It doesn't really matter that you were possessed when you willingly accepted that possession.
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