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That's not entirely true; a case could be made using a necessity defense, based on the circumstances. When the only other option is "kill yourself, behead yourself, and send your remains in care of a devil", things are pretty grim!
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Arctic Baldwin posted:i read it as the way hero boy says it in freakazoid Me too! V can now be summoned by the call of two castrated sumo wrestlers.
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Mar 2, 2009 22:19
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bartolimu posted:The true dick move would be to use that soul-takeover time to kill V's family as soon as s/he is done saving them. Assuming, of course, s/he doesn't do the whole imprison souls in gems and never give up control thing. They could do that. It might be preferable to merely show V that his assumption was incorrect, while keeping the family alive. "Excellent work slaying that dragon. Definitely a job to be proud of. Now, about the whole 'Having to wait until you're dead' issue. That was an assumption you made, not anything in the agreement. Now go, visit your family. Catch up. Do whatever it is elves do. That's your business. However, if you'd like to make arrangements to see your family with a guarantee that we won't...interfere...during the visit, we're amenable to further negotiation."
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Mar 3, 2009 00:00
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tripwood posted:Since the fiends are only interested in tipping the balance towards evil and destroy the celestials, I wonder what the hell they want to use V for. Controlling the snarl at the last possible moment or something else? I think you're looking for utility when you should be looking for recreation. I'd imagine it's the greatest of fun to gently caress with morals when you're a devil, demon or deamon. Especially a smarmy little elf who thinks it's out thought you, or at the very least believes itself your equal. Besides, I'd imagine you can never have too much magic wielding fodder to wear down the defenses of the Celestials as you rampage your way across the planes.
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Couldn't V, upon getting the triple soul splice, just annihilate the IFCC?
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maltesh posted:They could do that. It might be preferable to merely show V that his assumption was incorrect, while keeping the family alive. So eeeevil!
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Mar 3, 2009 06:35
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Pope Guilty posted:Couldn't V, upon getting the triple soul splice, just annihilate the IFCC? He has more important things to do. And once he's done saving his family, the IFCC will be long gone.
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Mar 3, 2009 06:42
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tazman posted:He has more important things to do. And once he's done saving his family, the IFCC will be long gone. I imagine ripping a hole in the dimensional fabric and pursuing them should be cake with... what, something like 50+ caster levels?
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Mar 3, 2009 10:18
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Pope Guilty posted:I imagine ripping a hole in the dimensional fabric and pursuing them should be cake with... what, something like 50+ caster levels? They could simply take control of his soul there and then.
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Mar 3, 2009 10:20
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DoctorTristan posted:They could simply take control of his soul there and then. ... What's to keep them from taking control of his soul right after he starts the splice?
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Mar 3, 2009 10:25
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Their word...
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Mar 3, 2009 11:12
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Wow. Thematically, we're a very long way from 'Bluff, bluff, bluff the stupid ogre', aren't we? Very nice character work from Mr Burlew.
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Mar 3, 2009 12:57
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Keyboard Fox posted:... What's to keep them from taking control of his soul right after he starts the splice? The deal is that they get his soul for as much time as he maintains the splice. If they took control the moment he starts, they'd each have control for like a second. They would want him to maintain it for as long as possible in order to maximize their return.
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Pope Guilty posted:Couldn't V, upon getting the triple soul splice, just annihilate the IFCC? Im guessing that the IFCC are betting that upon reaching his omnipotent powers, he'd be to busy jacking off to his newfound power to even remember who the IFCC was. I really like them as characters, not only did they get him to take a faustian bargain, they managed to get him to do so for the purpose of sating his own ego. Instead of just furthering the cause of evil by getting people to agree to demonic pacts, they also encourage the worse character traits in people. The former just means catching people with their pants down, the latter is the sign of a true manipulative corrupter.
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Mar 3, 2009 18:43
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Ashcans posted:The deal is that they get his soul for as much time as he maintains the splice. If they took control the moment he starts, they'd each have control for like a second. They would want him to maintain it for as long as possible in order to maximize their return. Couldn't they force him to maintain it?
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Mar 3, 2009 18:52
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Keyboard Fox posted:Couldn't they force him to maintain it? Admittedly the demon and yugoloth might not have any such constraints, but in terms of devil law if a devil forces a mortal to carry out any of their obligations on a contract then the whole thing becomes null and void.
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Shyrka posted:Admittedly the demon and yugoloth might not have any such constraints, but in terms of devil law if a devil forces a mortal to carry out any of their obligations on a contract then the whole thing becomes null and void. The point of a contract is that you can force someone to abide by it's terms. They can't force him to maintain the splice once he decides not to, they can force him to serve for the amount of time he used the splice. Otherwise a mortal could just say "I don't want to give you my soul" and trying to force the issue would null the contract.
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Mar 3, 2009 22:13
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This is so goddamned badass. Now I want to play V. Click here for the full 703x933 image.
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Mar 4, 2009 04:48
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They're right, you can't pull a One-Winged Angel routine without ominious Latin nonsense chanted in the background.
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Mar 4, 2009 05:03
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I like how Jephton the Unhloy is kind of vomiting out squares.
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Mar 4, 2009 05:32
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"Tear down creation just to see if you can!" strikes a really good tone for a power mad Sorcerer, actually!
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Mar 4, 2009 05:36
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Holy crap I was not expecting an update this soon. This is so loving cool. And it's a god drat D&D strip with stick figures.
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alright, for all the dragon-planned-ahead-and-made-V-do-it talk, I'm not buying it. I'm sticking with a straightforward dragon-didn't-know-and-will-get-her-rear end-kicked plot. Because it involves less talky talky and more zappy zappy. I wanna see some fireworks after all that bureaucratic stuff (fun as it was)
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Mar 4, 2009 06:52
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I love how Jephton just looks so happy.
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You know, I have thought of something . . . when V appears home to depose of the dragon, she'll still look totally evil. Assuming the children are still alive, they suddenly see "Other Parent" in this form, as well as with a couple of evil peoples souls in her possession. Would this not freak them right the hell out? I know this is kind of a back-track from everyone else (Read: Uberly complicated), but wouldn't it be kind of hilarious (In a dark sort of way) that the only real thing that happens is they see the parent like this and are scarred for life, as opposed to any other repercussion? Of course, it seems stupider now that I have actually typed it out, but I figure I'll put it out there. It wouldn't be the first time something completely retarded was correct.
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Pyre_89 posted:You know, I have thought of something . . . when V appears home to depose of the dragon, she'll still look totally evil. Assuming the children are still alive, they suddenly see "Other Parent" in this form, as well as with a couple of evil peoples souls in her possession. Would this not freak them right the hell out? Yup. V's family is gonna think that V fell to the dark side and be terrified, and V is going to be mortified, and it's going to probably be sad.
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rotinaj posted:Yup. V's family is gonna think that V fell to the dark side and be terrified, and V is going to be mortified, and it's going to probably be sad.
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I wonder by which plane's reckoning if time they will determine how long V has those souls under control. A day in the Prime Material can be a year in some parts of the Abyss, or so my 2nd Edition Planescape boxed set told me.
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bartolimu posted:I wonder by which plane's reckoning if time they will determine how long V has those souls under control. A day in the Prime Material can be a year in some parts of the Abyss, or so my 2nd Edition Planescape boxed set told me. Also remember the few days Roy spent in the celestial realm equaled months in the real world.
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HKR posted:Also remember the few days Roy spent in the celestial realm equaled months in the real world.
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CapnAndy posted:They were months, he just had no internal or external ways to sense time passing and everything was so perfect and joyous that the time flew by. They were pretty explicit about that. My mistake. That being said, it took over ten minutes to figure out that I was wrong. Rich really needs to just kill his forums, which are a vast wasteland of vapid D&D nerd circle-jerking.
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Nosy_G posted:I doubt it. Judging by his rationale in the previous comic, she'll say "Well at least they're alive, that's all that matters." Uh... Yeah, I'm sure never being able to see his mate and children is gonna just be a "Eh. Whatever." moment...
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Nosy_G posted:I doubt it. Judging by his rationale in the previous comic, she'll say "Well at least they're alive, that's all that matters." Assuming they actually survive. He stated in the last strip that V won't be able to replicate divine magic. That's about as blatant as "If you should happen to kill someone during your power trip, there will be no resurrecting them."
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DoctorTristan posted:Assuming they actually survive. He stated in the last strip that V won't be able to replicate divine magic. That's about as blatant as "If you should happen to kill someone during your power trip, there will be no resurrecting them." Raise dead counts as a divine magic? I thought that the no divine clause was so s/he couldn't zap any demons.
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tripwood posted:Raise dead counts as a divine magic? I thought that the no divine clause was so s/he couldn't zap any demons. I thought it did, but it's been long time.
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Mar 4, 2009 19:31
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D20srd.org posted:Raise Dead
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DoctorTristan posted:Assuming they actually survive. He stated in the last strip that V won't be able to replicate divine magic. That's about as blatant as "If you should happen to kill someone during your power trip, there will be no resurrecting them." He may not be able to raise them himself, but he can certainly teleport to someone who can (and should even be able to use wish or epic magic to create the material component).
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seaborgium posted:The point of a contract is that you can force someone to abide by it's terms. They can't force him to maintain the splice once he decides not to, they can force him to serve for the amount of time he used the splice. Otherwise a mortal could just say "I don't want to give you my soul" and trying to force the issue would null the contract. Yeah, that's kinda what I meant but I probably didn't word it very well. I was actually thinking of an example that comes up in Mask of the Betrayer. Young wizard makes a deal with a devil where he performs various actions (typically evil ones) in exchange for corresponding boons. If he performs all the actions on the contract then his soul belongs to the devil. One of his boons was for 'a wish of limited proportions'. As far as he knew he never used that one up. But the last task on the contract was for him to kill someone in exchange for awesome arcane power - when confronted by his master about his other evil acts the apprentice claims, "I ducked and wished he'd go away! When I looked up he was gone." The devil holding the contract fully admits to having disintegrated the master, claiming that he only did so based on the apprentice's wish, which therefore fulfills the apprentice's obligation to kill someone. Once you point out the exact wording of the wish and that the devil had therefore overstepped his bounds, he has to concede that the contract is now worthless and he has no hold over the apprentice. There's some stuff in Fiendish Codex II as well that covers this, as well as the appeals process involved.
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Shyrka posted:There's some stuff in Fiendish Codex II as well that covers this, as well as the appeals process involved. I'm hoping that everything will work out during a battle between Celia and the IFCC's legal team over some sort of loophole.
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Neito posted:Since only Clerics get it, there's no Arcane version. Therefore, it only exists as a Divine spell. quote:Wish Uh...
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