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So, I've reading the hell out of this comic, over the last two days, and am up to 284. This is the best webcomic I've ever read. It's hilarious and issue 12 had me rolling.
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Mar 28, 2009 04:05
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Rubicon posted:So, I've reading the hell out of this comic, over the last two days, and am up to 284. Be prepared for a lull in the 400-600s area, and then for things to turn loving awesome in rapid succession after. edit: Just re-reading the last couple of strips, and wow, I just realized that V doesn't bother to heal his own family's currently broken/impaled limbs before turning his ire to the dragon. Yeah, I'm going to side with the Evil camp now. Wolfsheim fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Mar 28, 2009 |
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Mar 28, 2009 04:13
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He is still an arcane caster, not a divine one 
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Mar 28, 2009 04:31
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Vanadium posted:He is still an arcane caster, not a divine one There's a Necromancy spell in Spell Compendium that lets you heal others with your own life force. I very much doubt that any of them would have it prepared, however.
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Mar 28, 2009 04:53
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one of them is a sorceror 
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Mar 28, 2009 05:41
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Nomenklatura posted:That old Discworld comparison comes up again: the difference between a good and an evil man is that an evil man will linger, just to enjoy it, whereas a good one will kill you dead immediately. I see this get brought up from time to time, and it's important to note that the reverse does not hold. Just because you kill someone immediately does not mean you are a good man. See Carcer and Teatime, or more relevantly, V and "Disintegrate, Gust of Wind."
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Mar 28, 2009 06:02
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Just to throw more fuel on the fire, at least the player group frowns on genocide for its own sake. I think its safe to say at least the non-Belkar characters would consider this an evil act.
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Mar 28, 2009 06:08
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It's not genocide. It is, however, mass murder motivated entirely by revenge. The fact that most if not all of the victims were evil doesn't compensate for the fact that it was cold-blooded murder.
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Mar 28, 2009 08:35
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Wanderer posted:It's not genocide. It is, however, mass murder motivated entirely by revenge. The fact that most if not all of the victims were evil doesn't compensate for the fact that it was cold-blooded murder. You could construe it as not revenge, just making certain V's own family was safe from future revenge. The gloating makes it evil, not the killing so long as you argue it right.
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Mar 28, 2009 08:39
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People keep saying that because V killed the dragons to forestall any of them trying to take revenge that it becomes less evil. I don't really get that. If some king hears a prophecy that a child born in a certain month will eventually kill him, and he takes the step of killing all children born in that month, does his action become less evil since he's doing it to protect himself/his kingdom/his family (since he can argue that the other two would surely also be threatened by his untimely demise)?
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Mar 28, 2009 10:43
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Despite all the well argued, well...arguments, it's pretty clear to us all that V is pretty loving evil. Why? V has the evil eyes now!
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Mar 28, 2009 11:29
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tazman posted:Despite all the well argued, well...arguments, it's pretty clear to us all that V is pretty loving evil. exactly! In terms of the comic it's pretty obvious from the context that Suvie = evil, regardless of the intellectual experiments people are playing.
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Mar 28, 2009 14:55
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Halloween Jack posted:I know, it's weird. The bar has been raised. The low bar. erfworld has been really good lately. if you haven't read it in a while, take a look.
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Mar 28, 2009 19:45
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First, I would like to mention that for all the people now calling V "Suvie", I hate you. (Same goes for those who use the word "hir") Secondly, I don't think this makes V "really loving evil". Evil, sure, you have a case, but not "really loving". She is protecting her family, and I think that that constitutes an okay action (doesn't compare to the king killing babies, because the dragons are actually evil). Yeah, it's mass murder. Yeah, its an evil act. But I don't think V now registers as "Strongly Evil". More like a "Lightly evil".
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Mar 28, 2009 21:06
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Wow, that looks like something one of my old dickish DMs would try. Here is an awesome plot device disguised as a temporary boon, be careful though, because your alignment will shift as long as its active, but once it's over it will go back. Awesome! pew pew! I win in a totally not contrived way! Well now you are irredeemably evil. But you said. Yeah I said it would be only temporary because I wanted you to do a some bad things so I could change your alignment, also now I can say what your PC does and my campaign features a lot of rape from here on out too. I hate you Thomas. I will never play in one of your games again, and no girl who has ever played in one of your games will ever roleplay agin. gently caress you guys, I made that game lovely on purpose! You don't know the first thing about roleplaying!
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Mar 28, 2009 21:14
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WaywardWoodwose posted:Wow, that looks like something one of my old dickish DMs would try. Well, the "DM" in this case is actually a group of three demons, so it makes sense they would pull a dickish move
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Mar 28, 2009 22:25
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Blobone posted:Well, the "DM" in this case is actually a group of three demons One demon, one devil, and one dude we cannot quite agree how to spell.
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Mar 28, 2009 22:42
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Blobone posted:Well, the "DM" in this case is actually a group of three demons, so it makes sense they would pull a dickish move I have not been given sufficient proof that my former DM was not a conglomeration of three devils.
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Mar 28, 2009 23:42
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Shyrka posted:People keep saying that because V killed the dragons to forestall any of them trying to take revenge that it becomes less evil. I don't really get that. The two aren't really comparable, at least in this kind of setting. Humanoid babies, at least in D&D, are generally neutral or good. They have no general tendency to be evil, nor the ability. In D&D, however, black dragons are always evil. They come out of the womb, if not completely evil, headed towards it as soon as they are able. They also mature considerably faster than humanoid babies. If V made his living killing every black dragon he could find, would you consider him evil? They are evil creatures in this world, and if allowed to grow and thrive will cause massive suffering to innocent beings wherever they are. He just did it faster this way. Now I think he's definitely not good, but his actions in my mind, up to the point where he ignored his family's wounds and did the revenge portion of his plan weren't really that evil. And really, how the gently caress did Suvie come around? It's still V, he's just more powerful. I guess I don't get the contraction.
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Mar 29, 2009 08:54
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seaborgium posted:And really, how the gently caress did Suvie come around? It's still V, he's just more powerful. I guess I don't get the contraction. What's V's full name? I don't think anyone is arguing about the evilness of black dragons, its the fact that a few of the things he murdered were, in fact, not full dragons, and thus not subject to the chromatic/metallic scale of dragon alignment
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Mar 29, 2009 09:20
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^^^ Vaarsuvius.Vanadium posted:One demon, one devil, and one dude we cannot quite agree how to spell. Daemon. 
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Mar 29, 2009 09:51
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pseudosavior posted:^^^ Vaarsuvius. Yugoloth. Granted, they were once called daemons.
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Mar 29, 2009 11:51
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seaborgium posted:And really, how the gently caress did Suvie come around? It's still V, he's just more powerful. I guess I don't get the contraction. His partner referred to him as 'Suvie' in #639, and some people liked the name?
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Mar 29, 2009 14:42
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Phy posted:I see this get brought up from time to time, and it's important to note that the reverse does not hold. Just because you kill someone immediately does not mean you are a good man. See Carcer and Teatime, or more relevantly, V and "Disintegrate, Gust of Wind." The test should really only apply in cases where there is reasonable confusion over who the bad guy is. If it's someone who we've never seen do anything strictly evil but nonetheless have a really, really bad vibe about, then it's helpful. Lord Rust, in any incarnation for example. For someone like Carcer or Teatime however it's redundant because their plans and methods are so blantantly monstrous that you can literally see the demons waving back form their eyes.
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Mar 29, 2009 17:01
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 New Strip is up One down, two to go. Are those kids standing on broken legs?
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Mar 29, 2009 17:20
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I really love all the faces V is pulling in this one.
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Mar 29, 2009 17:31
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I mentioned them because I've got a vague memory of someone trying to claim he was really a good man because he killed people quickly, and if it's not Carcer I'm thinking of, it seems like exactly the sort of thing he'd say (except it would mean admitting to killing people).
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Mar 29, 2009 17:33
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maltesh posted:Are those kids standing on broken legs? I'm pretty sure they're not standing at all.
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Mar 29, 2009 17:51
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I wonder if the necromancer's going to find Xykon?
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Mar 29, 2009 19:23
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That'd be so hilarious, Xykon gestalts into a level 40~ necromancer/level 25~ Sorcerer Lich. Edit: You bought a car! We can't afford a car! No no I didn't buy it! It's a Lease!
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Mar 29, 2009 19:25
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The Ventral Planes. That made me chuckle, for some reason.
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Mar 29, 2009 19:45
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Phy posted:I mentioned them because I've got a vague memory of someone trying to claim he was really a good man because he killed people quickly, and if it's not Carcer I'm thinking of, it seems like exactly the sort of thing he'd say (except it would mean admitting to killing people). It was eventually in reference to Carrot. Carcer might kill people in a straightforward way but my God he never shuts up. "I can see your house from up here, haha! Fair cop, can't blame a man for trying, haha, haha, haha!" That and towards the end of the book he doesn't hesitate to make gory threats to anyone that looks at him wrong.
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Mar 29, 2009 20:05
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If I was in her shoes (do elves wear shoes?) I probably would have said "Uh... Yes Kyrie! I, Lord Unpronounceable of the seventh circle of Gehenna, have posessed the body of your beloved V! It was I who teleported the dragon here to devour you all, but V's love for you was so strong that she was able to force me to come here and destroy the dragon to protect you. But now I'm in control again. And, um, it was I and not her who cast the genocide spell. Even though it was my dragon. Cuz I'm evil." Hey, Roy has been able to pass off some bigger bluffs in the past.
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Mar 29, 2009 20:12
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Liberal_L33t posted:If I was in her shoes (do elves wear shoes?) I probably would have said "Uh... Yes Kyrie! I, Lord Unpronounceable of the seventh circle of Gehenna, have posessed the body of your beloved V! It was I who teleported the dragon here to devour you all, but V's love for you was so strong that she was able to force me to come here and destroy the dragon to protect you. But now I'm in control again. And, um, it was I and not her who cast the genocide spell. Even though it was my dragon. Cuz I'm evil." That doesn't fit V's character. I think V was honestly expecting his/her partner to be impressed at the power V had amassed.
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Mar 29, 2009 20:16
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/\/\/\/\ That sounds about right. V just figures he did his family a world of good, and will be trying to convince them of such. He doesn't want some devil taking the credit for his victory, right? (I think the comic already proved that . . . ) It is cool to note that the Necromancer (AKA merciless killing machine) escaped first . . . I'm pretty sure this is Rich's way of saying that there isn't going to be any more killing. In the meantime, we still have a pretty big conjurer here (aka, master teleporter), as well as a sorcerer. Which, admittedly, could mean anything.
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Mar 29, 2009 21:16
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Now that the dragon is vanquished, V should release the other two souls right away to minimize the time the fiends get with his soul. Why is he still holding on?
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Mar 29, 2009 22:15
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Haschel Cedricson posted:Now that the dragon is vanquished, V should release the other two souls right away to minimize the time the fiends get with his soul. Why is he still holding on? Because there's other things he thinks he needs the power of the souls to do, probably.
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Mar 29, 2009 22:17
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Haschel Cedricson posted:Now that the dragon is vanquished, V should release the other two souls right away to minimize the time the fiends get with his soul. Why is he still holding on? The character who's only goal in life was to amass as much arcane power as possible willingly giving up a massive amount of arcane power? Do any of you actually read the comic or do you immediately rush to the source books to make sure he got the specifics of summon monster IV right?
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Mar 29, 2009 22:18
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maltesh posted:
There aren't any rules for broken limbs, are there? I guess they can't move only when dramatically appropriate!
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DoctorTristan posted:I wonder if the necromancer's going to find Xykon? The demon said without a mortal host. Aren't liches technically immortal?
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