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RivensBitch posted:It should just appear in the coreaudio section of the control panel. I thought you mac guys just plugged everything in and it worked with no questions asked? Isn't that why you spend $2,000 more on your computers? No, we pay $2000 more so that we can actually spend time working/recording instead of fixing the computer. 
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Do you actually understand the nature of this conversation and what troubles mr_package is experiencing with his MAC, or did you just shoot your wad without checking to see if the living room blinds were open?
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RivensBitch posted:Do you actually understand the nature of this conversation and what troubles mr_package is experiencing with his MAC, or did you just shoot your wad without checking to see if the living room blinds were open?  I'm an XP user so that is the extent of my ability to help unfortunately. My previous statement was meant as: "theycallmecoolethan, do you see the Onyx showing up as an audio device when you connect it" since if it's there then it's software config problem in the DAW and if it isn't then presumably hardware or OS problem.
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mr_package posted:But macs don't need drivers so  The difference is where they come from and if you have to install them manually.
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All I know is that if he has a mac, and he plugged it in and turned it on, then it's obviously working. Maybe he hasn't turned the mixer on? Or maybe he hasn't plugged it in. Maybe turn the mac on, and THEN plug the mixer in, and then turn it on? I think if you do that, then it will just work, because macs always just work when you plug them in and turn them on. That's why they're way better and why it's worth paying thousands of dollars more.
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Really? Are we going there? Come on.
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d0grent posted:I want to know what you guys would recommend to me in the $200-$400 range. All I really need is good quality 1/4" jacks to record bass/guitar and possibly vocals, and a good quality midi input. Some good interfaces in that price range are: Presonus Firebox Edirol FA-66 Focusrite Saffire (or Saffire LE) I'm not sure about interfaces with only 1/4" and MIDI.
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I've been meaning to get into making my own music for a while now, and recently finally got a job that would give me the money and free time I'd need to do so. What program would you guys recommend for someone who has never recorded before but nonetheless is willing to put a ton of time and effort into it (i.e. I'd like user friendliness, but would value versatility over it)? Presume a price ceiling of ~$1000. I'd also prefer something that could be fully contained on my computer without any extra physical stuff (not much space for a proper studio in my apt.). I'd be running this on a 3.4Ghz Pentium 4 Dell XPS with 1GB of RAM and Windows XP.
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sentientcarbon posted:I've been meaning to get into making my own music for a while now, and recently finally got a job that would give me the money and free time I'd need to do so. What program would you guys recommend for someone who has never recorded before but nonetheless is willing to put a ton of time and effort into it (i.e. I'd like user friendliness, but would value versatility over it)? Presume a price ceiling of ~$1000. I'd also prefer something that could be fully contained on my computer without any extra physical stuff (not much space for a proper studio in my apt.). I'd be running this on a 3.4Ghz Pentium 4 Dell XPS with 1GB of RAM and Windows XP. Check out Reaper. It's simple, easy to use, has a fully functional free trial, and even when you want to purchase it it's very cheap. It's $50 for a non-commercial license (you can only use it for your work) and $225 for a commercial license. Take the other $775 you were going to spend (or $950 if you don't plan on recording other people's music) and buy a nice interface/microphone. lonequid fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Apr 2, 2009 |
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I'm just curious to see if I've got this information right... The workflow goes like this: Instrument/Amp (miked up or direct) > Recording Interface (i.e. Presonus Firestudio) > Computer > DAW (i.e. Cubase/Live/Sonar/Logic/etc.)
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Gorilla Salsa posted:I'm just curious to see if I've got this information right... Sounds good to me. Although I would add a step before micing the amp, which is having a good acoustic space to make noise in.
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RivensBitch posted:Sounds good to me. Although I would add a step before micing the amp, which is having a good acoustic space to make noise in. I had actually planned to record direct, because I'm kind of in a crap situation to record in (I live with my parents  )
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Are there any good tricks for bringing tracks together in a mix? I mean getting the feel that the bass and drums were recorded together without having the means to actually do so.
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Three Red Lights posted:Are there any good tricks for bringing tracks together in a mix? I mean getting the feel that the bass and drums were recorded together without having the means to actually do so. Use a click track when you record.
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I'm looking to get an interface and recording software, I've been recommended this http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.co...kage?sku=702527 Now, I like the reviews, and I've been told it's really nice and whatnot, but is there anything better out there? Or just as good, but more user friendly? I'm retarded when it comes to stuff like this. I've owned my axiom-49 for over a year and I still haven't figured that out...
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OopsIpwntMyWaffles posted:I'm looking to get an interface and recording software, I've been recommended this We stopped by Guitar Center a couple weeks back to poke around a little bit, described our situation and goals (along with the recommendations that we'd gotten from others already), and got pitched some gear + software that was waaaaay out of our budget. While we could see the advantages of the recommendations (Sonar Studio 8, and similar dollars tied up in firewire-based interface gear - and that with no mic, no cables, etc. yet.), it would have broken the bank.
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nimper posted:Use a click track when you record. No poo poo, I meant recorded in the same room sounding like a "real" band. That being said I figured out what it mainly was, I was getting a bunch of latency Live wasnt reporting right meaning there was an annoying subtle time disparity between the sequenced drums and the real bass. massive spider fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Apr 6, 2009 |
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Three Red Lights posted:No poo poo, I meant recorded in the same room sounding like a "real" band.
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Theres a test you can do which involves connecting a cable from the input to the output and seeing the difference with a test tone. It still doesent feel quite right though.
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Three Red Lights posted:Theres a test you can do which involves connecting a cable from the input to the output and seeing the difference with a test tone. It still doesent feel quite right though. It's also not monitorable, so if for some reason (power spikes, low voltage, who knows) you lose a ms here or there under certain conditions you would never know. ChristsDickWorship fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Apr 7, 2009 |
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Three Red Lights posted:No poo poo, I meant recorded in the same room sounding like a "real" band.
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I've recently upgraded my recording rig to a MBP (Leopard, 2.5ghz CTD, 2gigs ram) with Logic 8. I used to be a Protools LE guy and I've got my old MBOX 1 that I've been using with the Digidesign Core Audio to record sketches and practices and stuff but now I want to multitrack. Problem is that the MBOX 1 input won't record anything that matches up to playback when it's in. I know that this is a latency and a/d (?) thing and that most likely the MBOX needs to be replaced with something a bit more current. After having read this entire thread I've decided that I'll be switching to a new interface, here are my choices. Apogee Duet Presonus Firebox M Audio Profire 610 Mike pres are fairly important to me but I'm mostly after the ability to record tracks along with playback of the mix without latency issues/general bullshit. So ML am I on the right track?
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Gunga-Din posted:Apogee Duet I've used an MBox to record lots of times and never had a serious latency issue though. If it's an obvious fixed amount of latency, you can nudge the whole track back 14 or 17ms or whatever the latency actually is. Any firewire interface will likely improve your latency over a USB one, but it will never be much below 10ms until you get to much more expensive interfaces.
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I haven't made any major purchases yet and have spent the better part of the last 6 months just looking into things and reading reviews. My goal set-up would be for mobile laptop djing and production as well as getting CDJ decks and a mixer. What I haven't been able to find though is that one piece of equipment to tie EVERYTHING together. The whole studio plus TV input as one giant media center. I know I could get Serato to use CDJ decks with my laptop and record mixes, but I'm kind of looking for some sort of magical wonder receiver that I can run everything through to either desktop monitors or amps and larger pro speakers. I would probably have a second dedicated laptop for playing out vice disconnecting everything when I want to play live. Would this work? TV Feed --> TiVO --> TV Card --> Laptop --> Ext Display Monitor CDJ Decks --> Mixer --> Serato Interface thingy --> Laptop --> Serato Software MIDI Controllers (2) --> Laptop --> Ableton Live Microphone/Instrument --> 4x4 stereo I/O interface -(USB)-> Laptop -(OUT)-> Amp/Monitors PS3 Type HiDef Media Player --> Laptop The end result I'm looking for is being able to digitally record everything on the laptop (TV Shows, DJ Mixes) while still being able to produce my own poo poo via software and MIDI controllers. I think I may run out of USB/Firewire ports. If you see any giant flaws or problems this scheme would create, please let me know. I don't see why this wouldn't be doable with the right funding and motivation. The only major problem I can foresee would be latency issues from routing poo poo all over the place. Also, adding something like a MicroKorg or studio mixer later on might be difficult. I am looking for recommendations for the following: USB/Firewire Hub (there is a lot of poo poo I want to connect) 4x4 Stereo I/O interface (Perferably something with a headphones input to monitor cued tracks in Ableton) TV Card second best sponge fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Apr 9, 2009 |
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So I suppose with all the money being made on ProTools Training Courses, people tend to make it difficult to find good usable information easily. Googling ProTools will result in 900 different courses you can take, but very little "here's how you do this" info. Anyway, I just switched my entire setup from a Roland VS-2480 over to ProTools 8 M-Powered with a Project Mix I/O. And while I have some books and things on the way (and waiting for some PT8-updated ones to be released), there are a couple of quick questions I have: Is there some way to monitor in "real-time" while recording a drummer with a click track? What I mean is, as it's setup right now, when I see the drummer hit a drum, there is a good 250ms or so before I hear it come out of the speakers. The only strange thing about it is that I seem to be hearing the click track in real time, so of course this makes it difficult to gauge the performance until after it's complete. On playback everything syncs up properly. I'm sure there's just some setting somewhere I'm missing, but hell if I can find it. After watching some of the digitv or digidesigntv or whatever it is videos, I'm having some cursor confusion. I see in the video where someone drag/drops in a drum loop, then grabs the end of it and stretches, and it fills haw ever many measures he needs. Which cursor is that? I tried what I thought was all of them, but couldn't get it to do that. Similar question, but in the MIDI editor. I see him dragging around individual notes in the MIDI editor, or being able to edit each one. Which cursor? Trying them didn't see to have the same result. Thanks in advance!
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Anyone have first-hand knowledge of a rackmount cassette (yes, plain old cassette tape) recorder that is not complete junk? Most of the models I can find are from weird brands I can't find any information on. I'm also trying to find a solution to roll for at least 80 minutes if not 120 minutes continuously on cassette tape. Any dual-well recorders that will automatically pick up recording on the second well when the first one runs out of tape? This does not necessarily have to be a rackmounted solution but it would be a plus.
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wixard posted:I'm pretty comfortable saying the Duet will sound the best, although I haven't heard it or the Profire 610, and it's pretty much designed to work with Logic so that's a plus for you. M-Audio has struggled keeping their drivers current with the last few major Windows and Mac updates, and Mac usually gets the short end of that stick. Apogee is one of the few who develop their hardware specifically for Mac. I wouldn't really call the Firebox an upgrade from an MBox. Thanks, I think I'll probably go with the Duet. My aim is easy layering. I wan to be able to lay down a drum track out of a sequencer and then lay down a guitar track, a bass track and a vocal track one at a time. If there is always going to be a 10ms lag will I always have to bum my recordings so that they will sync? Is there a way to automate this? I'm pretty that I used to be able to lay down tracks like this in Protools LE like five years ago with no problem on a less powerful system with the same mbox.
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HaB posted:Is there some way to monitor in "real-time" while recording a drummer with a click track? What I mean is, as it's setup right now, when I see the drummer hit a drum, there is a good 250ms or so before I hear it come out of the speakers. The only strange thing about it is that I seem to be hearing the click track in real time, so of course this makes it difficult to gauge the performance until after it's complete. On playback everything syncs up properly. quote:After watching some of the digitv or digidesigntv or whatever it is videos, I'm having some cursor confusion. I see in the video where someone drag/drops in a drum loop, then grabs the end of it and stretches, and it fills haw ever many measures he needs. Which cursor is that? I tried what I thought was all of them, but couldn't get it to do that. Gunga-Din posted:If there is always going to be a 10ms lag will I always have to bum my recordings so that they will sync? Is there a way to automate this? I'm pretty that I used to be able to lay down tracks like this in Protools LE like five years ago with no problem on a less powerful system with the same mbox. You are getting these problems in Logic and Pro Tools LE, or just Logic? Could it be Logic has some misapplied delay compensation going on or something? Have you tried actually bouncing/exporting the sequenced drums as a stereo WAV file instead of sequencing it live out of Logic while you record? Maybe it's a resources thing and not the interface at all (yes your new rig is way more powerful, but new DAWs also use way more resources many times).
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wixard posted:Yea, it sounds to me like something is weird in your setup as well, with regards to latency. 10-20ms isn't perfect, but it isn't usually painfully obvious either. It would be analogous to standing 12-25ft from your drummer while you play, it should still feel like it's in time. Like I said, I've never done a project with my MBox where it became a big problem. I'm only running Logic cause I don't want to fork over more cash to didigdeisgn for countless upgrades. I sequence the drums out of a synth so they are just a recorded mono track. I guess I'll have to look at the setup, I should have plenty of resources as I see that the cpu and HD levels are always pretty chill. I've got the buffer on Logic set to 32 bu the core audio for the mbox limits it to 512 which I hear is not so good. I'm making demos here really so I'm not concerned with the ultimate sonic experience but I do need a fast and effective way to lay down tracks that are in time with each other. Thanks for the info Wixard hopefully this will be resolved.
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HaB posted:So I suppose with all the money being made on ProTools Training Courses, people tend to make it difficult to find good usable information easily. Googling ProTools will result in 900 different courses you can take, but very little "here's how you do this" info. Youtube has a lot of tutorial videos
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HaB posted:So I suppose with all the money being made on ProTools Training Courses, people tend to make it difficult to find good usable information easily. You're kidding right? I don't know what's more laughable, the idea that there's tons of money being made on protools training, or that if someone WAS successfully doing so, that they'd somehow be influencing google results to make good answers hard to find. Not Memorable posted:Anyone have first-hand knowledge of a rackmount cassette (yes, plain old cassette tape) recorder that is not complete junk? Most of the models I can find are from weird brands I can't find any information on. Cassette recorders are finally disappearing, at least on the newly manufactured side of things. I know firsthand that Denon and Marantz have discontinued all of their players/recorders, and there are no plans to release new models.
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RivensBitch posted:You're kidding right? I don't know what's more laughable, the idea that there's tons of money being made on protools training, or that if someone WAS successfully doing so, that they'd somehow be influencing google results to make good answers hard to find. I guess more what I meant was. With how much money they are charging for ProTools training. I couldn't even find a ProTools 101 class for less than $2500 or so. And that's for a one DAY session. I'm not suggesting they are influencing google results, I'm just saying EVERYONE seems to be offering ProTools training, so that's most of what you get. Easy there, buddy. Wasn't trying to pee in your cornflakes or nothing.
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RivensBitch posted:Cassette recorders are finally disappearing, at least on the newly manufactured side of things. I know firsthand that Denon and Marantz have discontinued all of their players/recorders, and there are no plans to release new models. Dang. I'd love to not have to use cassettes but that's what the client wants. Maybe I can talk them into CD's eventually.
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HaB posted:I guess more what I meant was. With how much money they are charging for ProTools training. I couldn't even find a ProTools 101 class for less than $2500 or so. And that's for a one DAY session. I'm not suggesting they are influencing google results, I'm just saying EVERYONE seems to be offering ProTools training, so that's most of what you get. Look for things labeled "crash course," and not things involving "certification." There are several places around here that provide weekend crash courses in Pro Tools geared toward home studios with 10 or so hours of instruction plus some course material for $200-$300. The certification stuff is for people who think they're going to make a living as a Pro Tools operator, or for live engineers who want to learn the Venue system inside and out for their resume.
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OopsIpwntMyWaffles posted:I'm looking to get an interface and recording software, I've been recommended this Digidesign Mbox 2 Mini Recording Bundle for $400 or: Digidesign Pro Tools Mbox 2 Factory Bundle for $675. Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Apr 9, 2009 |
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HaB posted:I guess more what I meant was. With how much money they are charging for ProTools training. I couldn't even find a ProTools 101 class for less than $2500 or so. And that's for a one DAY session. I'm not suggesting they are influencing google results, I'm just saying EVERYONE seems to be offering ProTools training, so that's most of what you get. http://www.secretsofthepros.com/ My company repped these instructional DVDs for a minute and I was asked to review them before we took on the line. They're actually really good, step by step video instructions that are geared towards people just like you looking to learn how to actually use protools. You can also access the digidesign user conference at duc.digidesign.com, and I'm willing to bet there's a ton of youtube videos out there. I'm not trying to pee in your cornflakes either, but if you dig around google a bit further there are TONS of free resources out there if you can't afford some books and a $30 DVD.
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Not Memorable posted:Dang. I'd love to not have to use cassettes but that's what the client wants. Maybe I can talk them into CD's eventually. Maybe you could start with, "They don't make cassette decks anymore" and see how he responds.
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RivensBitch posted:Maybe you could start with, "They don't make cassette decks anymore" and see how he responds. http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/recording/portable-field-recorders
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RivensBitch posted:http://www.secretsofthepros.com/ Any idea when/if those videos might get updated for version 8? From what I can tell it's quite a bit different than 7.x. There's a few other books and stuff I am waiting on release dates for. I didn't realize 8 was so new or I might've gone for 7.4 or something.
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mr_package posted:Yeah no poo poo-- what is he doing that requires cassette? Why not just use a solid state recorder of some sort? 4GB (not even expensive these days) is 6 hours @ 44.1khz/16-bit It's recording, but it's not music. We're doing video depositions for law firms. The court reporters all use cassettes and they want a copy immediately after the deposition to take back and use to finalize their transcriptions.
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