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Something I've been wondering about, do the 20 levels of sorcerer stack with V's and the other soul's wizard levels? Seems to me it wouldn't.
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tripwood posted:Something I've been wondering about, do the 20 levels of sorcerer stack with V's and the other soul's wizard levels? Seems to me it wouldn't. I'm pretty sure they do, given how his disjunction effortlessly broke the dragon's anti-magic field, and that's only a 1% chance per caster level.
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May 6, 2009 19:46
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I get the feeling at a tarrasque is too obvious.
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May 6, 2009 23:32
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Well if it ends up being something like a Gargantuan Ethereal Filcher or whatever we'll all feel kinda cheated.
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May 6, 2009 23:36
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May 6, 2009 23:55
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DoctorTristan posted:I'm pretty sure they do, given how his disjunction effortlessly broke the dragon's anti-magic field, and that's only a 1% chance per caster level. If the caster level check succeeded it would break through just as effortlessly at 25%-30% as at 90%. If V was in the 50s or 60s level-wise she'd be solo-ing deities and the Snarl, not Xykon. If archfiends could make something like that they would have used it for other projects. At most (beyond high level epic spellcasting), I'd say that V has an inflated caster level from the meld. And more likely Burlew ignored the probability for dramatic effect. And I'm also leaning towards young tarrasque. They had an entire planet of them in Spelljammer, after all. 
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Ashenai posted:Paragon kobold! Pun-Pun . . . nooooooooo! e: Donraj posted:And I'm also leaning towards young tarrasque. They had an entire planet of them in Spelljammer, after all. Yeah, but Spelljammer also had gnomes flying space-hamster-powered spaceships and fighting space duels in space with space-illithids and space-beholders. What I'm saying is Spelljammer was awesome.
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May 7, 2009 00:06
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Donraj posted:If archfiends could make something like that they would have used it for other projects. V is their proof of concept or prototype.
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May 7, 2009 00:25
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You know, if you look at that Go board, O'Chul is in a terrible position. Granted, that....mess of black stones means the Monster is still learning, but the false eye on the left there could be taken easily with the sacrifice of 3 stones, netting the Monster 5 white stones and leading into an attack back to the center. Or O'Chul is just teaching him.
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May 7, 2009 01:07
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Arctic Baldwin posted:I get the feeling at a tarrasque is too obvious. Young Reptillian Gargantua?
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Pope Guilty posted:V is their proof of concept or prototype.
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May 7, 2009 03:42
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sansuki posted:You know, if you look at that Go board, O'Chul is in a terrible position. Granted, that....mess of black stones means the Monster is still learning, but the false eye on the left there could be taken easily with the sacrifice of 3 stones, netting the Monster 5 white stones and leading into an attack back to the center. He's teaching him, that's pretty obvious. He started a while back, I don't remember which strip though. He's obviously trying to make a point and was waiting for the right opportunity where he could mix it in with a game the monster seems to enjoy. O'Chul appears to be a decent paladin, trying to turn the creature good using the resources at his disposal.
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Donraj posted:If V was in the 50s or 60s level-wise she'd be solo-ing deities and the Snarl, not Xykon.
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Donraj posted:If V was in the 50s or 60s level-wise she'd be solo-ing deities and the Snarl, not Xykon. If archfiends could make something like that they would have used it for other projects. It's also important to note that, so far, V has had a short list of things to do with her immense power: save her family and protect them forever, reunite the gang, destroy Xykon. And she's done two of those so far. I don't think she really wants to go off battling gods or what have you since the whole reason she left in the first place was for the power she could get to help out.
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Rennej posted:It's also important to note that, so far, V has had a short list of things to do with her immense power: save her family and protect them forever, reunite the gang, destroy Xykon. And she's done two of those so far. I don't think she really wants to go off battling gods or what have you since the whole reason she left in the first place was for the power she could get to help out. She saved her family, sure. But she had nothing to do with getting the group back together.
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Lord Commissar posted:She saved her family, sure. But she had nothing to do with getting the group back together. Didn't say that she did, just that that was on her list of things to do.
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May 7, 2009 19:55
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There's more to soloing deities than being level 60. V may have a caster level of roughly 60, but remember that almost every spell is level capped in some way or other, so the majority of that power isn't used on a spell to spell basis. Plus, V's stats aren't boosted as if she had gained all those +int at level 4s, and isn't wearing level epic setting appropriate equipment, and has a small number of epic spells suitable for much lower level spell casters than the total gestalt. Plus, she only has one caster worth of actions, and she's burned through a lot of her high level spells already. How many epic spells can a caster cast a day? I forget the formulae, but I'm pretty sure it's not many. Xykon and crew are going to absolutely light her up.
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Are we sure that this is going to be a fight? Xykon might just think she's one of the bad guys and at least try and talk her into joining him.
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Glass of Milk posted:Are we sure that this is going to be a fight? Xykon might just think she's one of the bad guys and at least try and talk her into joining him. Enter the archfiends taking their part of the contract, followed by some sort of magic that requires the target to be willing that makes them somehow subservient.
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Mystic Mongol posted:There's more to soloing deities than being level 60. V may have a caster level of roughly 60, but remember that almost every spell is level capped in some way or other, so the majority of that power isn't used on a spell to spell basis. Plus, V's stats aren't boosted as if she had gained all those +int at level 4s, and isn't wearing level epic setting appropriate equipment, and has a small number of epic spells suitable for much lower level spell casters than the total gestalt. Plus, she only has one caster worth of actions, and she's burned through a lot of her high level spells already. How many epic spells can a caster cast a day? I forget the formulae, but I'm pretty sure it's not many. All she needs is one or two level 8 spells, and three or four level 6 spells, and she can effectively destroy Xykon and kill Red Cloak, in one round if one of the level 8 spells is timestop. At high levels casters are brokenly better than anything else, and if a wizard wins initiative or gets a surprise round, its over. Not to mention if Xykon casts against her, she can counterspell it with ease.
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Red_Mage posted:All she needs is one or two level 8 spells, and three or four level 6 spells, and she can effectively destroy Xykon and kill Red Cloak, in one round if one of the level 8 spells is timestop. At high levels casters are brokenly better than anything else, and if a wizard wins initiative or gets a surprise round, its over. Epic combat: Whoever goes first, wins.
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Red_Mage posted:All she needs is one or two level 8 spells, and three or four level 6 spells, and she can effectively destroy Xykon and kill Red Cloak, in one round if one of the level 8 spells is timestop. At high levels casters are brokenly better than anything else, and if a wizard wins initiative or gets a surprise round, its over. Isn't Time Stop a level 9 spell though?
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LightWarden posted:Isn't Time Stop a level 9 spell though? That it is.
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I'll admit I'd be entertained if V just blows Xykon up and that's the strip. Burlew retires to obscurity and we're all standing around, mouths hanging open.
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I think there is a very good chance that V will drop Xykon very quickly. Unfortunately for V, she is relying on a soul bind using the souls of dead evil casters, Red Cloak is a cleric and a cleric specializing in the care and keeping of undead casters at that. My prediction is that V drops Xykon, but is repelled by Red Cloak who protects the Phylactery, V burns whats left to dip the gently caress out.
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May 8, 2009 08:29
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At V's level, he should know about a lich's phylactery, but, back when the team defeated Xykon before, they all seemed to believe they had truly defeated him. You'd think V would have at least spoken up and said "by the way, liches have phylacteries you gotta destroy to end them for good." Might be an easy out in this coming fight. V wins, but still doesn't know defeat Redcloak too, allowing Xykon to return yet again.
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Anyone want to refresh my memory? Did they ever get his phylactery? Do we know what it is or was it kept secret/hinted at? I honestly don't remember.
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The phylactery is Redcloak's holy symbol. Redcloak managed to escape when Xykon was first destroyed, so Xykon could regenerate mostly unharassed.
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Vanadium posted:The phylactery is Redcloak's holy symbol. Redcloak managed to escape when Xykon was first destroyed, so Xykon could regenerate mostly unharassed. Oh god now I remember. You would think that would be a terrible place to put it (on a lackey that might betray you someday) but whatever. I remember reading up on one of the wizards boards they worked out the mechanics to teleport to a mountain, create a room inside it, dump the phylactery, cast screen and all that divination blocking stuff, then have a Psion wipe your memory for the last day so that even the lich didn't know where his own phylactery is. I need to go to bed.
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Seftir posted:Oh god now I remember. You would think that would be a terrible place to put it (on a lackey that might betray you someday) but whatever. This is explained, it horrible horrible detail, of why Redcloak can be trusted in "Start of Darkness". Perhaps the best writing this comic has ever seen is on the pages explaining why Redcloak will have his back.
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Mylan posted:At V's level, he should know about a lich's phylactery, but, back when the team defeated Xykon before, they all seemed to believe they had truly defeated him. You'd think V would have at least spoken up and said "by the way, liches have phylacteries you gotta destroy to end them for good." Might be an easy out in this coming fight. V wins, but still doesn't know defeat Redcloak too, allowing Xykon to return yet again. (Just bulshitting)
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Actually I'm pretty sure V's an invoker. Wasn't Necromancy one of the two opposed schools (the other being Transmutation or whatever Teleport was) back in 2nd edition? V says something about "hey sorry Teleport was a banned spell when I started out and I haven't gotten around to picking it up yet" at some point. Necromancy being a banned school would explain being unusually ignorant of the care and feeding of magical undead.
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bartolimu posted:Actually I'm pretty sure V's an invoker. Wasn't Necromancy one of the two opposed schools (the other being Transmutation or whatever Teleport was) back in 2nd edition? V says something about "hey sorry Teleport was a banned spell when I started out and I haven't gotten around to picking it up yet" at some point. Necromancy being a banned school would explain being unusually ignorant of the care and feeding of magical undead. V's forbidden school is Conjuration but teleport used to be in transmutation before being switched over to the conjuration school. So V got hosed.
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Seftir posted:Oh god now I remember. You would think that would be a terrible place to put it (on a lackey that might betray you someday) but whatever. If you get a chance, buy and read Start of Darkness. It pretty clearly documented how Xykon has Redcloak's loyalty forever, no matter how bad things get for him.
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bartolimu posted:Actually I'm pretty sure V's an invoker. Wasn't Necromancy one of the two opposed schools (the other being Transmutation or whatever Teleport was) back in 2nd edition? V says something about "hey sorry Teleport was a banned spell when I started out and I haven't gotten around to picking it up yet" at some point. Necromancy being a banned school would explain being unusually ignorant of the care and feeding of magical undead. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that 2nd ed has nothing to do with OotS. They started as 3.0 characters, then there was the switch to 3.5.
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Mystic Mongol posted:There's more to soloing deities than being level 60. V may have a caster level of roughly 60, but remember that almost every spell is level capped in some way or other, so the majority of that power isn't used on a spell to spell basis. Plus, V's stats aren't boosted as if she had gained all those +int at level 4s, and isn't wearing level epic setting appropriate equipment, and has a small number of epic spells suitable for much lower level spell casters than the total gestalt. This is the best counter-argument I've heard, I have to admit.
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