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tylertfb posted:If I'm a Lich I don't kill myself on purpose, hoping to reform in my Phylactery unless I know exactly where it is and who has it in their possession. There is really no reason to take that large of a risk just to speed up the process of finding the thing. Especially if, for the first part of the process, you're a little metacarpal flopping around that someone can scoop up in a jar.
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tripwood posted:He just has to kill himself and he'll regenerate right where the phylactery is. No need to find it! I don't know how long it takes for him to reform though.. He could, but that would give him a 2/3 change of having to spend 1d10 days immersed in sewage until he regenerates, which I doubt an egotistical sorcerer like him wants to do.
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Jun 9, 2009 00:50
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Halloween Jack posted:Especially if, for the first part of the process, you're a little metacarpal flopping around that someone can scoop up in a jar. The head comes first I believe. Or at least I think I remember Red Cloak having to haul it around last time.
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Jun 9, 2009 00:59
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Given that he has Still Spell, he can probably cast spells as soon as he's got enough matter regenerated to think, so it's unlikely that he'd be out of commission in any serious way any longer than it took for his head to pop.
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Jun 9, 2009 02:10
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I'd say he can't use any abilities until his 1d10 days are up, since last time he regenerated he was much more polite and interested in what Redcloak had to say.
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Jun 9, 2009 02:38
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I think it's a nice detail that Redcloak's right eye in the statue took a bounce from the phylactery so soon after his real eye was stabbed out by O-Chul.
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Jun 9, 2009 22:53
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New Comic! I'm not really into DnD, do you guys know if this narrows down the MitD's species?
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Jun 10, 2009 04:50
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No idea; but, Xykon had his hand rammed down O-Chul's throat for that wicked burning action. Hardcore.
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Jun 10, 2009 04:55
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terminal mehmet posted:No idea; but, Xykon had his hand rammed down O-Chul's throat for that wicked burning action. Hardcore. Not just that, but it looks like he jammed his finger into V's eye. Hard to tell if he meant that or not.
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Jun 10, 2009 05:00
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Idran posted:Not just that, but it looks like he jammed his finger into V's eye. Hard to tell if he meant that or not. Looks like his nose. Also: Baby Tarrasques can't do that, can they?
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Jun 10, 2009 05:04
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Kuroshi posted:Looks like his nose. Tarrasques are pretty much raw physical fightery types. They can't do anything magical.
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Jun 10, 2009 05:08
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A Meteor Swarm down the throat would sting like gently caress.
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Jun 10, 2009 05:13
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I laughed harder than I should've at "Who just stole my kills?". And yes, NM, it does narrow down the MitD's species. Rich has said it's a real DnD monster. Judging by the way this went down, I'd say it's likely that the monster used either Wish, Miracle, Limited Wish or Teleport. I don't think you can cast Teleport as a spell straight-up without teleporting yourself, too, so I'm leaning toward one of the Wishes or Miracle. Do any creatures cast Wish as a spell or spell-like ability? I'm not so good on the monsters; I tend to read more than I play, now-a-days.
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Jun 10, 2009 05:25
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More importantly, he seems to have teleported them even with the cloister effect. Psionics, maybe? Or maybe they haven't actually crossed out of the cloistered zone.
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Jun 10, 2009 05:27
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LightWarden posted:More importantly, he seems to have teleported them even with the cloister effect. Psionics, maybe? Or maybe they haven't actually crossed out of the cloistered zone. Can't Wish or Miracle ignore even epic-level magic? I was under the impression that they were basically giant "Get out of poo poo free" cards for any party with a wizard/cleric in it.
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Jun 10, 2009 05:30
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Um, wow. All Teleport spells are Touch, so that's either a Wish spell, or one of a number of psionic powers. There are a bunch of epic spellcaster/psion monsters in the SRD alone, but none of them seem like a fit. I have no idea.
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Jun 10, 2009 05:32
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Neito posted:I don't think you can cast Teleport as a spell straight-up without teleporting yourself, too In any case, it's a Touch spell, and that applies to all other "teleporty" spells too, like Greater Teleport, Ethereal Jaunt, Plane Shift, etc.
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Some kind of Djinni? VV Atropal Scion? Dunno if they can do that, though they have spellcasting ability. Strong stuff. Vicissitude fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Jun 10, 2009 |
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Jun 10, 2009 05:34
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Kuroshi posted:Looks like his nose. Tarresques can't even speak. Earlier in the thread people were speculating that the MitD was some sort of undead God fetus. Was that ever ruled out?
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Vicissitude posted:Some kind of Djinni? That doesn't really fit with what we've seen so far, though. Djinni tend to be tricksters, don't they? Plus, a Djinni only seems to be able to use its wish-granting power for someone who captures it. At least from how I'm reading the rules regarding them.
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Efreet? Wish-ability, odd to find in a jungle. Of course, isn't part of the requirement that it usually doesn't speak?
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Neito posted:dO any creatures cast Wish as a spell or spell-like ability? A few. Genies spring to mind, obviously, as do a number of the high-end outsiders. Off the top of my head, Solars can cast it three times a day. Solar seems wrong for the MitD, though. Neito posted:Can't Wish or Miracle ignore even epic-level magic? I was under the impression that they were basically giant "Get out of poo poo free" cards for any party with a wizard/cleric in it. Nope. Wish and Miracle are wildly, wildly flexible, but not overwhelmingly powerful--basically, they cap out at roughly the level of effect of any level seven spell, or any of a short list of bonus effects that aren't worth the five thousand exp the spell costs. They certainly aren't epic, or even close to it. I remember on the character optimization boards someone made a character who's gimmick was that he could cast Wish at will, any number of times--it as regarded as a fairly weak build in straight up combat, because the saves topped out at DC 23, and couldn't duplicate any of the real soul-crushing spells (like Xykon's favorite, Energy Drain). The Wish could gently caress around out of combat to an unparalled degree. Cliff Racer posted:Earlier in the thread people were speculating that the MitD was some sort of undead God fetus. Was that ever ruled out? An Atropol? Reality isn't warping around it, draining the lives out of any foolish enough to venture near and turning the corpses of its victims into unstoppable undead juggernauts of slaughter. Also, whatever it is, it gets hungry, so it isn't an abomination against life. Sooo---probably not. Mystic Mongol fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Jun 10, 2009 |
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Mortanis posted:Of course, isn't part of the requirement that it usually doesn't speak? Yeah. Several people have said that the MitD speaking was stated to be unusual in Start of Darkness, a book I unfortunately don't have. Mystic Mongol posted:Nope. Wish and Miracle are wildly, wildly flexible, but not overwhelmingly powerful--basically, they cap out at roughly the level of effect of any level seven spell, or any of a short list of bonus effects that aren't worth the five thousand exp the spell costs. They certainly aren't epic, or even close to it. I see. I actually haven't read too much in to alternate rules like Epic-level magic, so I was under the impression that they could do pretty much anything. I'd still say that a Wish is the most likely of spells. However, psionics have been established as working in this universe, and IIRC they're not effected by magic that much, but see previous statement about alternate rules.
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Neito posted:I'd still say that a Wish is the most likely of spells. However, psionics have been established as working in this universe, and IIRC they're not effected by magic that much, but see previous statement about alternate rules. Actually the main rule is they are - anything that effects magic effects psionics equally and vice versa. I'd assume that's how this world works unless we've seen evidence otherwise. The alternate rule is that the two are distinct except for a few specific exceptions.
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Idran posted:Actually the main rule is they are - anything that effects magic effects psionics equally and vice versa. I'd assume that's how this world works unless we've seen evidence otherwise. The alternate rule is that the two are distinct except for a few specific exceptions.  this is what I get for half-remembering psionics rules I read once.
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MitD has also used something like a souped up version of the psionic power stomp (or an earthquake supernatural ability that just happens to be triggered by stomping the ground); I don't know if that helps since my SRD searches aren't turning up likely monsters with stomp or earthquake powers.
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It's possible that the exchange in the first panel of this strip just took on some new significance...LightWarden posted:More importantly, he seems to have teleported them even with the cloister effect. Psionics, maybe? Or maybe they haven't actually crossed out of the cloistered zone. Isn't cloister irrelevant when you're doing things from the inside? Here, panel 5. You can cast magical transportation from inside to outside. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jun 10, 2009 |
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I imagine Burlew hitting the upload button on his FTP client and laughing at the impending speculation.
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MikeJF posted:It's possible that the exchange in the first panel of this strip just took on some new significance... "I don't get why you're all so certain this was the MitD's doing." Was what I was going to say until I reread that strip.
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Ashenai posted:Um, wow. All Teleport spells are Touch, so that's either a Wish spell, or one of a number of psionic powers. I'd just look for anything with the spell like ability for wishes or miracles, as size or form of creatures can be changed relatively easily. Ditto about psionics, though.
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Noia posted:"I don't get why you're all so certain this was the MitD's doing." Was what I was going to say until I reread that strip. ...did you not notice the change in eye glow and the capitalization on 'escape'?
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Pope Guilty posted:I imagine Burlew hitting the upload button on his FTP client and laughing at the impending speculation. Strip #662: "I wouldn't have expected that behavior from a monster whose name is a strict subset of the first three words in 'Hamlet'!" If I were Burlew, I'd have so much trouble resisting the urge to just gently caress with people.
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This certainly improves the chances of it being a Solar.
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Ashenai posted:Um, wow. All Teleport spells are Touch, so that's either a Wish spell, or one of a number of psionic powers. This is really puzzling me. The combination of low intelligence and powerful psionics/spell-like abilities is odd enough, but on top of that it has obscene physical strength and damage reduction (it punched Miko straight through a solid stone wall without even trying). Maybe it's a tarrasque using a soul splice to a powerful psion? 
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DoctorTristan posted:This is really puzzling me. The combination of low intelligence and powerful psionics/spell-like abilities is odd enough, but on top of that it has obscene physical strength and damage reduction (it punched Miko straight through a solid stone wall without even trying). I'm not convinced it actually has great physical strength. The incident with Miko could have easily been some sort of psychokinetic blast, for example.
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Low intellect doesn't necessarily equate to inferior psionic manifesting; Wilders manifest by Charisma, and Psychic Warriors by Wisdom. If he manifests like either of those, and I'd guess Wilder out of the two, he could be dumb as a brick and still be a decent manifester.
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Don't forget that it may not have low intelligence, it may just be phenomenally naive, the result of being kept in a cage its whole life. It picked up Go "very quickly", which is a game known for strategic thinking, and the little time it has spent with O-chul has greatly increased its awareness of the consequences of actions. I really hope this results in O-chul joining the Order of the Stick. He's a cool guy, I want him to stick around, and he could pursue his goals by staying with them.
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Having a competent, non-insane Paladin would be a nice counter balance to Belkar's new competent, rational evilness.
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Cabbit posted:Having a competent, non-insane Paladin would be a nice counter balance to Belkar's new competent, rational evilness. He would lose his paladinhood, wouldn't he? I mean, the whole "willfully consorting with evil beings" thing. Granted, Miko could never scan Belkar to verify if he was evil, but she wasn't consorting with him as much as she was dragging him around like a prisoner. If anything, O-chul could probably rationalize it as "if I don't consort with this evil being then all of reality will be literally unraveled". Maybe the Twelve Gods are lenient like that.
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