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# ? May 15, 2024 04:11 |
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Were the hardcore matches done by the old ECW ever as violent as CZW and their Tournament of Death? And do we really need to start a new thread?
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 03:44 |
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Thanks Jerusalem~! Let's try to ask questions, give answers (and thanks I guess) in this thread. BigRed0427 posted:And do we really need to start a new thread? YES WE DID.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 03:45 |
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I see a lot of posts on Wrestlehut about guys who should turn heel because they're more awesome that way. I want answers on the reverse: who only works as a face and sucks as a heel? The answers I bring to the table are: Khali Tommy Dreamer Sting Jeff Hardy
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 03:51 |
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Vonnegut Asterisk posted:I see a lot of posts on Wrestlehut about guys who should turn heel because they're more awesome that way. I want answers on the reverse: who only works as a face and sucks as a heel? That's a long, very opinionated question that would probably be best served to the WWE thread?
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 03:56 |
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Vonnegut Asterisk posted:I see a lot of posts on Wrestlehut about guys who should turn heel because they're more awesome that way. I want answers on the reverse: who only works as a face and sucks as a heel? Rey Mysterio can be added to this list. Pretty sure Tito Santana would have stunk as a heel, too.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 03:56 |
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yeah, I don't think Tommy Dreamer could EVER work as a heel. Sting has in the past and it's been dreadful, but I don't know how much of that is the company/writers he is working for and how much is down to his ability.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 03:58 |
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BigRed0427 posted:Were the hardcore matches done by the old ECW ever as violent as CZW and their Tournament of Death? They didn't use lighttubes matches, panes of glass or the especially stupid match types. CZW goes too far, following the lead of FMW. Vonnegut Asterisk posted:I see a lot of posts on Wrestlehut about guys who should turn heel because they're more awesome that way. I want answers on the reverse: who only works as a face and sucks as a heel? This is more about how people are booked, and smarkiness. Bad guys get to be cool, funny and smart, whereas faces are either bland by comparison, or are worse jerks who think that they're not jerks. Some people (stone cold) make the transition fine, others don't (cena and triple h a lot of the time, shelton benjamin trying to be a heel).
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 03:58 |
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CombineThresher posted:Rey Mysterio can be added to this list. Pretty sure Tito Santana would have stunk as a heel, too. Possibly Ricky Steamboat as well.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 03:59 |
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Wazzu posted:They didn't use light tubes, panes of glass or the especially stupid match types. CZW goes too far, following the lead of FMW. Ian and Axl Rotten had some pretty CZWish matches, and people going through flaming tables was pretty ridiculous. But yeah, generally ECW was more about garbage wrestling than deathmatch stuff.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 04:03 |
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sabu/terry funk barbed wire was pretty grotesque
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 04:23 |
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BUTTHOLE MAGICIAN posted:sabu/terry funk barbed wire was pretty grotesque ecw never used a weed whacker as a weapon, never mind one that was used in the match and didn't even lead to the finish.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 04:25 |
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grody but still def posted:ecw never used a weed whacker as a weapon, never mind one that was used in the match and didn't even lead to the finish. That Tai Pei Death Match Ian and Axel had was pretty terrible and hard to watch on multiple levels.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 04:26 |
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grody but still def posted:ecw never used a weed whacker as a weapon, never mind one that was used in the match and didn't even lead to the finish. I also don't remember ECW spraying lemon juice on open wounds. Or pouring bleach down anyone's throat.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 04:37 |
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TL posted:I also don't remember ECW spraying lemon juice on open wounds. Or pouring bleach down anyone's throat. They did shove Justin Credible down our throats, which is debatably worse
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 04:51 |
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TL posted:I also don't remember ECW spraying lemon juice on open wounds. Or pouring bleach down anyone's throat. Why are CZW/IWA MS/etc allowed to keep doing what they do? I mean, I know there is no sanctioning board for the business, but I mean, this has to be reckless endangerment or something.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 05:10 |
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On the bleach issue- I think ROH had Homicide force Cabana to drink "bleach", or was it Drano? Speaking of terribly violent death matches-which fed had the SAW match, where the one dude got dropped on a shitload of syringes? There was a youtube video of that that was quite possibly the saddest thing I've ever seen.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 05:16 |
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Lazy like a Fox posted:On the bleach issue- I think ROH had Homicide force Cabana to drink "bleach", or was it Drano? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzXdewxB4M I think that is what you're talking about. Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS2_aZldH9c <--could be it. DEAR RICHARD fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Aug 3, 2009 |
# ? Aug 3, 2009 05:25 |
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Lazy like a Fox posted:On the bleach issue- I think ROH had Homicide force Cabana to drink "bleach", or was it Drano? Drano gel. And after Cabana finally won the Chicago Street Fight against Homicide, Smokes and Reyes came out with a noose, but Homicide finally ended the madness and shook Cabana's hand. Less than two minutes later, Cabana was back to his dancin' self.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 05:25 |
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Batmanuel posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzXdewxB4M Jay 2K Winger posted:Drano gel. And after Cabana finally won the Chicago Street Fight against Homicide, Smokes and Reyes came out with a noose, but Homicide finally ended the madness and shook Cabana's hand. That feud was probably the best one either of those guys ever had. The Chicago street fight in particular might be my favorite match from both of them, and one of my favorite deathmatches.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 05:34 |
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Batmanuel posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzXdewxB4M Jesus Christ.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 07:34 |
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Batmanuel posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzXdewxB4M Holy gently caress that made me feel sick. You tend to know how to find all the sick stuff, don't you dude?
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 08:07 |
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So how much do those guys make for mutilating their bodies for such small audiences ?
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 08:29 |
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Chunky Delight posted:So how much do those guys make for mutilating their bodies for such small audiences ? a diluted joint and some Faygo
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 08:31 |
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Lazy like a Fox posted:On the bleach issue- I think ROH had Homicide force Cabana to drink "bleach", or was it Drano? it was "drano". (Powerade actually)
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 08:52 |
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grody but still def posted:it was "drano". (Powerade actually) Dear god, that might actually be worse
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 08:59 |
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CapCityGoofBall posted:Holy gently caress that made me feel sick. I'm a pro. HulkaMatt told me so.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 09:04 |
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Did anything come of WWE's alleged interest in bringing back Sycho Sid for one more run?
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 12:25 |
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Does anyone else dislike the "fan gets involved, contracted" storyline ( Zach Gowen, Santino, Mickie James, Rosa Mendez)? I think it will eventually lead to some mark kid trying to be Rosa to Cena's Beth and getting hurt. It just sends mixed messages.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 14:56 |
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What's the story with Triple H's pedigree. I see one video where he has the arms tigered up the whole time (allegedly this being the first time he busted it out) and pretty much spikes the guy into the mat like he was doing a DDT with his knees. Then it became the flat face crusher with the arms held, and now he doesn't even hold the arms. Why and is there a story behind the first one?
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 15:32 |
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projecthalaxy posted:Does anyone else dislike the "fan gets involved, contracted" storyline ( Zach Gowen, Santino, Mickie James, Rosa Mendez)? I think it will eventually lead to some mark kid trying to be Rosa to Cena's Beth and getting hurt. It just sends mixed messages. WWE is always hopping back and forth on the issue of fan involvement. They tell fans not to get involved, but then they have angles like Rosa and Gowen. They say "don't try this at home," and yet they show footage of the Hardys (and before them it was Mick Foley) doing just that. It's not the only case of hypocrisy they're guilty of, but it is annoying.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 15:35 |
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What the hell ever came of Spike Dudley? Did WWE and TNA never really find a permanent pace for him in amongst Ray and D-Von?
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 15:39 |
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DJExile posted:What the hell ever came of Spike Dudley? Did WWE and TNA never really find a permanent pace for him in amongst Ray and D-Von? I think he went back to teaching (could be wrong). I don't think TNA ever really wanted him (nor did he want to be a full-time wrestler at that point) and the WWE would never have had a place for him. His entire draw in ECW was that he was the little, goofy scrawny guy who could slay the giants. What goofy, scrawny guy in the WWE has ever been successful or gotten a lot of screen time, even as a comedy character? Vince loves his giants and would never let them be slayed, so that left Spike to get over as a serious wrestler. You can imagine how well that would work. Made You Look posted:What's the story with Triple H's pedigree. I see one video where he has the arms tigered up the whole time (allegedly this being the first time he busted it out) and pretty much spikes the guy into the mat like he was doing a DDT with his knees. Then it became the flat face crusher with the arms held, and now he doesn't even hold the arms. Why and is there a story behind the first one? The first one was the result of Marty Gardner (the guy taking the Pedigree) thinking HHH was going for a butterfly suplex and jumping into a somersault. It was never intended to be done that way. It was just a botch. As for why he no longer hooks the arms, probably because most people are more comfortable taking the face bump while being able to protect themselves. People still buy it as a finisher, so I guess it doesn't make a difference, but it does look silly compared to the old way he did it.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 16:00 |
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Made You Look posted:What's the story with Triple H's pedigree. I see one video where he has the arms tigered up the whole time (allegedly this being the first time he busted it out) and pretty much spikes the guy into the mat like he was doing a DDT with his knees. Then it became the flat face crusher with the arms held, and now he doesn't even hold the arms. Why and is there a story behind the first one? By holding the double-underhook the entire way through the drop, Triple H (and anyone else doing the same thing) was liable to drop someone on his head and break his neck (I seem to recall footage of him doing just that during his early days in the WWF, 1996-ish). A while back he started pushing his opponent down to the mat as opposed to just spiking him, which, while less visually impressive, is a LOT safer.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 16:04 |
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Free Market Gravy posted:I think he went back to teaching (could be wrong). I don't think TNA ever really wanted him (nor did he want to be a full-time wrestler at that point) and the WWE would never have had a place for him. His entire draw in ECW was that he was the little, goofy scrawny guy who could slay the giants. What goofy, scrawny guy in the WWE has ever been successful or gotten a lot of screen time, even as a comedy character? Vince loves his giants and would never let them be slayed, so that left Spike to get over as a serious wrestler. You can imagine how well that would work. Spike got fairly over with the Molly Holly romance angle and the moments during the Invasion where he defied Austin. Let's not underestimate the guy too much here.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 17:13 |
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I seem to remember Spike getting over when he became an evil genius who ordered the Dudleys around on Smackdown.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 17:21 |
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Chunky Delight posted:So how much do those guys make for mutilating their bodies for such small audiences ? Realistically, less than $100 a show.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 17:26 |
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Realistically, less than $100 a show. More like $25 and some free food from the concession stand. Spike's got a wrestling school and I hear he's a great teacher. Dude's surprisingly a draw for local indies. He drew more (and cost much less) than motherfucking Jimmy Snuka!
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 17:45 |
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projecthalaxy posted:Why are CZW/IWA MS/etc allowed to keep doing what they do? I mean, I know there is no sanctioning board for the business, but I mean, this has to be reckless endangerment or something. The government is leery of regulating things done between consenting adults (that aren't sodomy.) So it's very hard to make an assault case, for example, with no complaining witness. If they want to whack each other with light tubes, they're free to do it as long as they're all consenting to it.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 17:47 |
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# ? May 15, 2024 04:11 |
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Lazy like a Fox posted:It's the second one, but I didn't learn that until after I accidentally watched 30 seconds of the first one. Gross. I love how it's the same guy in both of them too- how long do these "careers" last for these guys? It was definitely an awesome feud, and that feud-ender match had a number of good spots, like Cabana throwing rubbing alcohol in Homicide's bloody face, or the rain of chairs.
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# ? Aug 3, 2009 19:10 |