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PeteRoseHaircut posted:Can we once and for all get a consensus definition of X-Pac Heat? I was browsing around some awful forum earlier and someone said that Vickie had X-Pac Heat. See: What fans do when Shelton Benjamin comes out
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X-Pac heat has always been when a heel or whoever gets booed, not because they're doing a good job, but because people want him off their TV. Who it applies to is what's argued about.
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Oct 20, 2009 06:24
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Can we take it easy on the X-Pac heat discussion? It seems to pop up every couple weeks and just leads to big protracted arguments. Also, can we agree that "X-Pac" is one of the stupidest wrestling names ever?
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Oct 20, 2009 06:38
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TL posted:Can we take it easy on the X-Pac heat discussion? It seems to pop up every couple weeks and just leads to big protracted arguments. I tried to answer it in a way that nobody would take major exception to. TL posted:Also, can we agree that "X-Pac" is one of the stupidest wrestling names ever? Seconded.
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Oct 20, 2009 06:40
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Whats the difference between X-Pac Heat and Latino Heat?  This discussion again..
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Oct 20, 2009 06:40
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TL posted:Can we take it easy on the X-Pac heat discussion? It seems to pop up every couple weeks and just leads to big protracted arguments. Any name ever given to Sean Waltman is one of the stupidest wrestling names ever.
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Oct 20, 2009 07:08
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Vickie's an AMAZING heel actress. Although she's already someone wrestling fans dislike (a fat, maternal figure with an unpleasant voice and plenty of power), she gets a bigger negative reaction standing around than most people do for running over John Cena.
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Oct 20, 2009 07:12
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Chilly McFreeze posted:If WWE crowds don't sing along with Zack Ryder's song, they won't sing along with anything. Just wait till wrestlemania and hope ryder's in it.
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Oct 20, 2009 08:26
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PeteRoseHaircut posted:Can we once and for all get a consensus definition of X-Pac Heat? I was browsing around some awful forum earlier and someone said that Vickie had X-Pac Heat.
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Oct 20, 2009 08:50
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BurnHTML posted:It's a Zen koan. There is no answer. What is the sound of one hand clapping for X-Pac? Trick question. There's no such sound as ANY hand clapping for X-Pac. 
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Oct 20, 2009 09:02
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Iskanderson posted:I think the concept of "drawing" has long been dead and buried, at least as far as WWE is concerned. Considering that the WWE itself IS the draw, it's really irrelevant. "gently caress the rest of this bullshit. As long as Stone Cold stuns somebody, I'm going home happy."
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Oct 20, 2009 12:14
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I think that The Undertaker can still draw. A lot of people are content just to see The Undertaker.
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Oct 20, 2009 12:30
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My dad went to a house show back in March pretty much just to see Big Show live.
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Oct 20, 2009 12:33
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FishBulb posted:The only reason anyone even remembers that song is because of Arrested Development. Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:I think that The Undertaker can still draw. A lot of people are content just to see The Undertaker. I don't know, the thing with him is there's usually no way of knowing for sure if he'll even show up outside of PPVs.
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Oct 20, 2009 13:32
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We should all come to the consensus that this is the correct definition:MassRayPer posted:X-Pac Heat: The sensation or sensations Chyna experienced during sexual intercourse with Sean Waltman.
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Oct 20, 2009 16:01
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I was debating asking this in the ROH thread but I figure this thread is probably a better fit. I loved the Homicide title chase storyline throughout the last half of 2006, culminating with his big emotional win at Final Battle 2006. My question is why is it that he had such a ridiculously short title reign right after? I figured him being in TNA with the upcoming PPV deal had something to do with it, I just want to make sure. It just seems weird to devote that much time and energy to a storyline and have it peter off like that almost immediately.
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Oct 20, 2009 16:06
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Is it more exciting when a championship belt changes hands every time there is a Pay-Per-View? I think it makes more sense to let someone keep it for a couple months or so to build up the suspense; of course I also think there are way too many PPVs as it is, since 1 every 2 months would be more exciting from a storyline point of view. Also, what is the appeal of having a PPV themed around a particular type of match? Just a change of pace or what?
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Oct 20, 2009 16:15
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Shitty_Wok posted:Also, what is the appeal of having a PPV themed around a particular type of match? Just a change of pace or what? Buyrates are down and the matches the themed events are based around are generally a good draw. Problem is that doing them in moderation is what draws. Breaking Point and Hell In A Cell are the two worst PPVs to this point in 2009. Luckily, I don't see any way that Breaking Point sucks, so it's about to tick upward a little bit.
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Oct 20, 2009 16:35
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atamarav posted:I was debating asking this in the ROH thread but I figure this thread is probably a better fit. I believe Gabe had said that the storyline with Homicide was always about the chase and the win rather than the reign. He compared it to the Rocky movies, where in one and two he was coming up and chasing the title, winning it at the end of two. At the start of three, barely any time is spent on Rocky's title defenses. The story of a champion is how the won the title and how the lost the title, not really anything in between.
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Oct 20, 2009 16:42
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atamarav posted:I loved the Homicide title chase storyline throughout the last half of 2006, culminating with his big emotional win at Final Battle 2006. My question is why is it that he had such a ridiculously short title reign right after? TNA pulled all their contracted talent, including Homicide, so they had to get the belt off him, I think. Plus, some guys build more crowd support chasing the belt than holding it.
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Oct 20, 2009 16:52
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The Shaman of Cum posted:X-Pac heat has always been when a heel or whoever gets booed, not because they're doing a good job, but because people want him off their TV. Who it applies to is what's argued about. Proof: The scene is Backlash 2002. The match: Scott Hall vs Bradshaw. Its god awful through on through. Scott Hall sadly looks winded from the beginning and Bradshaw never really had a prime where he was considered a "good wrestler". Xpac is out in Scott Hall's corner. People are ignoring the lovely match and screaming "Xpac sucks!" through it all.
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Oct 20, 2009 20:20
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ColeM posted:Proof: The scene is Backlash 2002. The match: Scott Hall vs Bradshaw. Its god awful through on through. Scott Hall sadly looks winded from the beginning and Bradshaw never really had a prime where he was considered a "good wrestler". Xpac is out in Scott Hall's corner. People are ignoring the lovely match and screaming "Xpac sucks!" through it all. Fans used to do this exact thing whenever the Rock was at ringside with the Nation. Perhaps the term should actually be Rocky heat?
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Oct 20, 2009 21:10
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ColeM posted:Proof: The scene is Backlash 2002. The match: Scott Hall vs Bradshaw. Its god awful through on through. Scott Hall sadly looks winded from the beginning and Bradshaw never really had a prime where he was considered a "good wrestler". Xpac is out in Scott Hall's corner. People are ignoring the lovely match and screaming "Xpac sucks!" through it all. I always heard the definition is "When a wrestler has a reaction from the fans such that instead of watching to see him get his rear end kicked they will turn the channel to see what else is on". So saying that "Fighty McWrestle has X-pac heat" basically would mean that when he wrestled no-one paid any attention to the actual match, either turning over or amusing themselves with unrelated chanting at a live event. Even with that as a definition it's highly subjective of course. One persons five star classic is another persons piss break.
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Oct 20, 2009 21:25
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atamarav posted:I was debating asking this in the ROH thread but I figure this thread is probably a better fit. The plan was supposed to be: Homicide wins the belt, Danielson wins it back at WM Weekend 2007, so a 3 month reign. Danielson got hurt in August, so when Morishima was over Gabe got the idea to book Morishima as ROH champion instead. The upcoming PPV deal probably didn't have a lot to do with it, since I don't think those plans developed until October of 06, and they weren't for sure until well after plans were in place. I'm sure they didn't want to keep the belt on a TNA guy for too long, but Homicide just wasn't the guy to get a long reign anyway. He had just been in ROH so long and had so many matches with all the top stars and wasn't the dynamic worker Danielson is where he can have tons of matches with everyone and have them feel fresh. So yeah, it was about the chase, not the reign since if he held it too long he might be exposed. And considering how hyper-critical ROH marks were about his defenses, it is probably true.
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Oct 20, 2009 21:41
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LividLiquid posted:I really don't think anybody's been a draw since Stone Cold and The Rock retired. They were the last two guys I can think of who people would buy a ticket specifically to see. I went to a show specifically because Undertaker was going to be there and I'd never seen him live (and holy God was it worth it). I'd do the same to see Ric Flair or Hogan, both guys I've never seen at a live show before (Hogan was supposed to be at one I went to back about 6-7 years ago but hosed up his back and had to pull out).
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Oct 20, 2009 21:50
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I've gone just to see Edge and I'd go to one just to see Jericho. Or Chuck Taylor 
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I went to my first live show ever about a month ago (house show in Portland, ME), and my whole night was pretty much made because I got to see Kane.
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Oct 20, 2009 23:14
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WHY NIGEL WHY?
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Oct 20, 2009 23:17
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Von Linus posted:WHY NIGEL WHY? This question kind of deserves its own thread.
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Oct 20, 2009 23:21
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What exactly was the J.O.B. Squad, and who was in it? I remember Al Snow and Mick Foley wearing t-shirts for it, but that's about all.
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Oct 20, 2009 23:26
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BlueArmyMan posted:What exactly was the J.O.B. Squad, and who was in it? I remember Al Snow and Mick Foley wearing t-shirts for it, but that's about all. I thoink the Blue Meanie was in too, and maybe Hardcore Holly before he became the Big Shot. They were jobbers, and they had banded together as a show of collective strength. Or as it turned out, weakness. Russo.
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Oct 20, 2009 23:28
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Von Linus posted:I thoink the Blue Meanie was in too, and maybe Hardcore Holly before he became the Big Shot. They were jobbers, and they had banded together as a show of collective strength. Or as it turned out, weakness. Russo. Yeah, it had Snow as the leader, Meanie, 2 Cold Scorpio, and Gillberg. They were just jobbers, classifying themselves as jobbers, breaking down the walls. RUSSO!
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Oct 20, 2009 23:35
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Jerusalem posted:I went to a show specifically because Undertaker was going to be there and I'd never seen him live (and holy God was it worth it). I'd do the same to see Ric Flair or Hogan, both guys I've never seen at a live show before (Hogan was supposed to be at one I went to back about 6-7 years ago but hosed up his back and had to pull out).
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Oct 20, 2009 23:36
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I think there is a large number of people out there today who will go to a show just to see John Cena, and almost an equal level who would go to see Batista (we mock him a lot but goddamn do people at live shows go absolutely BANANA for him, it's surreal). Now they're not a draw on the same level of the Rock and Austin before them, but really... who ever could be? Those two were phenomenons.
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Oct 20, 2009 23:39
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I guess I'm just out of touch with the youth of today.
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Oct 21, 2009 00:00
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triplexpac posted:Fans used to do this exact thing whenever the Rock was at ringside with the Nation. Perhaps the term should actually be Rocky heat? Back then people actually hated the Rock and wished he was not wrestling. Before his character took off and won them over.
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Oct 21, 2009 01:17
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ColeM posted:Back then people actually hated the Rock and wished he was not wrestling. Actually only 62.4% of them did, 37.1% were booing him as a heel and .5% weren't paying attention and said they started doing it because they heard everyone else start.
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Oct 21, 2009 01:28
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Ktik posted:Yeah, it had Snow as the leader, Meanie, 2 Cold Scorpio, and Gillberg. They were just jobbers, classifying themselves as jobbers, breaking down the walls. RUSSO!
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Oct 21, 2009 01:57
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Dragging Iron Feet posted:I know Bob Holly was a member of the JOB Squad as well, but was Bart Gunn? I know they were the New Midnight Express, but were they in the JOB Squad together? I think The New Midnight Express were part of Jim Cornette's "NWA" stable, with Jeff Jarrett. They split up when The Brawl For All happened. Bob Holly went to The Job Squad, and Bart Gunn got completely written off TV, for daring to legitimately win a legitimate tournament that someone else was meant to win.
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According to wikipedia  the J.O.B. Squad consisted of Al Snow, Blue Meanie, Gillberg, 2 Cold Scorpio & Hardcore HollyAlso, you can still buy J.O.B. Squad t-shirts at Al Snow's MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/allelujahsnow
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