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Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.
I think they're trying to say that Curtis and Leroy bought the mule for a cheap price, sold a bunch of tickets for the mule at a cheap price and made a profit.

I'm pretty sure the ending is the exact opposite of what it's supposed to be. Instead of HUR HUR GOVERNMENT it comes across as "We bought stocks cheap, sold it to a bunch of people cheap and made more than what we sold it for".

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graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe

tek79 posted:

Don't know if it's been discussed here, but is there any sort of leftist/liberal equivalent to these emails? I ask because I used to get 3-4 of these a week from my conservative in-laws before I got tired of waking up to an inbox full of bullshit everyday and told them to stop. On the flip side, my family and most of my friends are fairly liberal, and I have never received anything even remotely as asinine as the poo poo my Republican acquaintances routinely sent. If anybody has any Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:I'M A RETARDED LEFTIST, SAVE AMERICA!!!! emails, I'd love to read them. Do they even exist?

I have no proof that they exist. I've never seen one, and I've got a highly liberal uncle who would be prone to sending them. He sends jokey forwards, but anything political is always more personal than that.

Pre-election there was an old guy in my apartment building who went door to door to the people who voted in the democratic primary, and collected e-mail addresses. He'd send out Krugman columns pretty much weekly, but that wasn't a forward so much as a mailing list.

Vartiter
Nov 15, 2008
After reading all of these, I sort of got to thinking along the lines of how these things work, and now I wonder if someone will come up with something along the lines of: "Heh, this doctor says that he doesn't support Obama's health care plan because of the Hippocratic Oath. :smug: "

Or maybe there is already and I haven't seen it. :( I would hate to have that thought validated.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Vartiter posted:

After reading all of these, I sort of got to thinking along the lines of how these things work, and now I wonder if someone will come up with something along the lines of: "Heh, this doctor says that he doesn't support Obama's health care plan because of the Hippocratic Oath. :smug: "

Or maybe there is already and I haven't seen it. :( I would hate to have that thought validated.

I'm sure it does actually since theres a lot of fear that Obama will force doctor's to give abortions like train passes.

Vartiter
Nov 15, 2008

RagnarokAngel posted:

I'm sure it does actually since theres a lot of fear that Obama will force doctor's to give abortions like train passes.

That's true, but I doubt they'll have read it, and just be thinking about the "do no harm" part which isn't actually in it, rather than the slightly more logical part about not killing babies.

fuccboi
Jan 5, 2004

by zen death robot
Regarding H1N1:

quote:

"No one should take this vaccine - it is one of the most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. The newsletter for August covers this and it may not be out yet. This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200% increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). This virus H1N1 kills by causing a "cytokine storm", which means that it causes the body's immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing young people and is a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have weakened immune systems) This vaccine is a very powerful immune stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality of the virus much greater.

One's best protection is vitamin D3...One should take 5000 IU a day now and when the disease begins to spread increase the dose to 15,000 IU a day. Vitamin D3 modulates the immune reaction, reducing the chance of an overreaction and stimulates the body to produce what are called antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of viruses that does not involve immunity. This is dose related, which means the higher the dose of D3 the better the protection. Fish oils (the best is Carlson's Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil) also reduce immune overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be sufficient. For severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day. Antioxidants of various kinds also help.

Feel free to spread this around. People need to know to protect themselves.

Russell

http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/ (this is his bio)
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Dr. Russell Blaylock: Vaccine Maybe More Dangerous Than Flu

At first he uses smart people words and that makes me begin to agree, but then he pimps out his favorite fish oil, like a bodybuilder who is being sponsored by a supplement company. Tell me why it is bullshit.

He also wrote this article, which uses medical terms and is thus persuasive:
http://www.newsmax.com/health/vaccine_swine_flu/2009/07/07/232717.html

MDDevice
Jul 14, 2000

cumsitter posted:

Regarding H1N1:


At first he uses smart people words and that makes me begin to agree, but then he pimps out his favorite fish oil, like a bodybuilder who is being sponsored by a supplement company. Tell me why it is bullshit.

He also wrote this article, which uses medical terms and is thus persuasive:
http://www.newsmax.com/health/vaccine_swine_flu/2009/07/07/232717.html
He also appears to be a "deather", among other things. A quick Googling of this guy's name turns up tons of kooky conspiracy theories he subscribes to.

MDDevice fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Oct 29, 2009

chesh
Apr 19, 2004

That was terrible.

cumsitter posted:

Regarding H1N1:


At first he uses smart people words and that makes me begin to agree, but then he pimps out his favorite fish oil, like a bodybuilder who is being sponsored by a supplement company. Tell me why it is bullshit.

He also wrote this article, which uses medical terms and is thus persuasive:
http://www.newsmax.com/health/vaccine_swine_flu/2009/07/07/232717.html

Thanks, Dr. Blaylock. You have now convinced me to call my doctor and see when I can get the flu vaccines. I'd been putting it off, since I'm outside of the urgent group, but I'm gonna do it just to spite you, motherfucker.

MDDevice
Jul 14, 2000

chesh posted:

Thanks, Dr. Blaylock. You have now convinced me to call my doctor and see when I can get the flu vaccines. I'd been putting it off, since I'm outside of the urgent group, but I'm gonna do it just to spite you, motherfucker.
This is the same guy who claimed to be on staff at the University Of Mississippi. In the Google Docs version of his Natural Strategies For Cancer Patients, his Bio on the back flap still says so. I can't find any news stories for it, but apparently Ole Miss sent him a letter saying to cut that poo poo out, and if you look at the Bio on his webpage, there is no mention of Ole Miss.

I think his credibility is lacking.

[Edit]: I should be working, not playing internet detective.

MDDevice fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Oct 29, 2009

Erin Esurance Waifu
Sep 28, 2006
On Dr. Charles Stanley's Sunday program "In Touch ", the guest speaker was more of a historian than a Biblical speaker, but he is very famous for his knowledge of historical facts as well as Biblical truths. Dr. David Barton is his name. He is an expert on the subject of whether or not the United States was founded as a Christian Nation.
-----------------------
Dr. David Barton - on Obama
Respect the Office ? Yes ..
Respect the Man in the Office? No, I am sorry to say.
I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind Obama.
Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama !
I will respect the Office which he holds, and I will acknowledge his abilities as an orator and wordsmith and pray for him, BUT that is it.
I have begun today to see what I can do to make sure that he is a one-term President !
Why am I doing this ?
It is because:
- I do not share Obama's vision or value system for America;
- I do not share his Abortion beliefs;
- I do not share his radical Marxist's concept of re-distributing wealth;
- I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those who make $150,000+ (the ceiling has been changes three times since August);
- I do not share his view that America is Arrogant;
- I do not share his view that America is not a Christian Nation;
- I do not share his view that the military should be reduced by 25%;
- I do not share his view of amnesty and giving more to illegals than our American Citizens who need help;
- I do not share his views on homosexuality and his definition of marriage;
- I do not share his views that Radical Islam is our friend and Israel is our enemy who should give up any land;
- I do not share his spiritual beliefs (at least the ones he has made public);
- I do not share his beliefs on how to re-work the healthcare system in America;
- I do not share his Strategic views of the Middle East; and
- I certainly do not share his plan to sit down with terrorist regimes such as Iran.
Bottom line: my America is vastly different from Obama's, and I have a higher obligation to my Country and my GOD to do what is Right !
For eight (8) years, the Liberals in our Society, led by numerous entertainers who would have no platform and no real credibility but for their celebrity status, have attacked President Bush, his family, and his spiritual beliefs !
They have not moved toward the center in their beliefs and their philosophies, and they never came together nor compromised their personal beliefs for the betterment of our Country !
They have portrayed my America as a land where everything is tolerated except being intolerant !
They have been a vocal and irreverent minority for years !
They have mocked and attacked the very core values so important to the founding and growth of our Country !
They have made every effort to remove the name of GOD or Jesus Christ from our Society !
They have challenged capital punishment, the right to
bear firearms, and the most basic principles of our criminal code !
They have attacked one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms, the right of free speech !
Unite behind Obama? Never ! ! !
I am sure many of you who read this think that I am going overboard, but I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom I believe are the embodiment of Evil!
PRESIDENT BUSH made many mistakes during his Presidency, and I am not sure how history will judge him. However, I believe that he weighed his decisions in light of the long established Judeo-Christian principles of our Founding Fathers!!!
Majority rules in America, and I will honor the concept; however, I will fight with all of my power to be a voice in opposition to Obama and his "goals for America."
I am going to be a thorn in the side of those who, if left unchecked, will destroy our Country ! ! Any more compromise is more defeat .
I pray that the results of this election will wake up many who have sat on the sidelines and allowed the Socialist-Marxist anti-GOD crowd to slowly change so much of what has been good in America !
"Error of Opinion may be tolerated where Reason is left free to combat it." - Thomas Jefferson
GOD bless you and GOD bless our Country ! ! !
(Please, please, please, pass this on if you agree.)
Thanks for your time, be safe. "In GOD We Trust"
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
I WANT THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE BACK.....
In GOD We Trust ! ! ! ! ! !

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT
I never trust a man who uses a sextuple exclamation mark.

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Strudel Man posted:

I never trust a man who uses a sextuple exclamation mark.

But he's a doctor!

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.

quote:

He is an expert on the subject of whether or not the United States was founded as a Christian Nation.

What a coincidence! So am I!

It wasn't. PhD please!

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

crime fighting hog posted:

But he's a doctor!

It's funny, as far as education goes all I can find is a Bachelor's degree in Religious Education.

StrangeWhatLoveDoes
Oct 29, 2009

Mr. Stokowski, we need more dinosaurs.

Wiles posted:

I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind Obama.
Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama !

Apparently the good doctor has figured out how to unite by himself.

MDDevice
Jul 14, 2000

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

It's funny, as far as education goes all I can find is a Bachelor's degree in Religious Education.
His wikipedia page says he has a master's and doctorate in theology from Luther Rice University, which appears to be an accredited school. The only degrees it offers are religious degrees like "divinity" and "ministry", though, so I'm not sure how much academic weight you can give to his doctorate. Technically, though, he is a doctor.

[Edit]: I looked at the LRU Spring 2010 class schedule and it's extremely sparse on what most of us would call academics. The closest thing I could find to an academic course was Hebrew Grammar II.

MDDevice fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Nov 2, 2009

Ortsacras
Feb 11, 2008
12/17/00 Never Forget

Wiles posted:

"Error of Opinion may be tolerated where Reason is left free to combat it." - Thomas Jefferson

I'm not the only one seeing stupendous irony in using this quote to advance the cause of a religious state, am I?

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

MDDevice posted:

His wikipedia page says he has a master's and doctorate in theology from Luther Rice University, which appears to be an accredited school. The only degrees it offers are religious degrees like "divinity" and "ministry", though, so I'm not sure how much academic weight you can give to his doctorate. Technically, though, he is a doctor.

[Edit]: I looked at the LRU Spring 2010 class schedule and it's extremely sparse on what most of us would call academics. The closest thing I could find to an academic course was Hebrew Grammar II.

Are we looking at the same Wikipedia page?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton
http://conservapedia.com/David_Barton

Edit: You're looking at Charles Stanley's website. He's the guy who hosts the show, not the 'expert' guest speaker.

MDDevice
Jul 14, 2000

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Are we looking at the same Wikipedia page?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton
http://conservapedia.com/David_Barton

Edit: You're looking at Charles Stanley's website. He's the guy who hosts the show, not the 'expert' guest speaker.
You're absolutely right, sorry.

streetlamp
May 7, 2007

Danny likes his party hat
He does not like his banana hat
Healthcare is unconstitutional

quote:

en. Hatch Questions Constitutionality of Obamacare: If Feds Can Force Us to Buy Health Insurance ‘Then There’s Literally Nothing the Federal Government Can’t Force Us to Do’
Monday, November 02, 2009
By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief


Sen. Orrin Hatch (R.-Utah) (Congressional photo)
(CNSNews.com) - Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, who has served in the Senate for 33 years and is a longtime member of the Judiciary Committee, told CNSNews.com that he does not believe the Democrats’ health-care reform plan is constitutionally justifiable, noting that if the federal government can force Americans to buy health insurance “then there is literally nothing the federal government can’t force us to do.”

Both the House and Senate versions of the health-care reform plan would force all individuals who are citizens or legal residents of the United States to buy health insurance. President Obama has endorsed this provision.

Hatch said if the federal government starts ordering Americans to purchase specific products without being able to plausibly justify that mandate through the Commerce Clause of the Constitution which empowers Congress to regulate interstate commerce, it will mean “we’ve lost our freedoms, and that means the federal government can do anything it wants to do to us.”



The Commerce Clause, found in Section 8 of Article 1 of the Constitution, says: “The Congress shall have power to … regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.”

Hatch said this constitutional language authorizes Congress to regulate some types of commercial “activity,” which is different from authorizing Congress to force an individual American to engage in a commercial activity he or she is not presently engaged in and--as a free person--does not want to engage in. He said that “not one” of his Democratic colleagues has given a coherent constitutional argument to explain where Congress would derive the authority to do the latter.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the federal government has never before mandated that Americans buy any good or service.

In 1994, when Congress was considering a universal health care plan formulated by then-First Lady Hillary Clinton, the Congressional Budget Office studied that plan’s provision that would have forced individuals to buy health insurance and determined it was an unprecedented act.

“A mandate requiring all individuals to purchase health insurance would be an unprecedented form of federal action. The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States,” the CBO concluded. “An individual mandate would have two features that, in combination, would make it unique. First, it would impose a duty on individuals as members of society. Second, it would require people to purchase a specific service that would be heavily regulated by the federal government.”

“I think there’s a real constitutional issue there,” Hatch said on the CNSNews.com program “Online with Terry Jeffrey.”

He rejected the argument some have made that the federal government forcing everyone to buy health insurance is no different than state governments mandating that people who want to drive must buy auto insurance.

“You know, the illustration they give all the time is: Well, states require people to buy auto insurance. Yeah, they do, if they want to drive,” said Hatch. “But here would be the first time where our [federal] government would demand that people buy something that they may or may not want. And, you know, if that’s the case, then we didn’t need a 'Cash for Clunkers,' all we had to do is have the federal government say you all got to buy new cars, no matter how tough it is on you. You know, they could require you to buy anything. And that isn’t America. That’s not freedom. That’s not constitutionally sound. Now, there may be some gimmicky way that they can do this, but I can’t think of a gimmicky way that would be constitutionally justified.”

Hatch was asked about the argument made by House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D.-Md.), who told CNSNews.com that the constitutional phrase that says Congress shall have the power to provide for the “general welfare”--which appears in the prefatory language preceding the Commerce Clause and the other enumerated powers of Congress--gives Congress the power to mandate that individuals purchase health insurance. He rejected this argument.

“Well, keep in mind the General Welfare Clause hasn’t been used for years, except through the Commerce Clause--Article I, Section 8,” said Hatch. “And frankly the Commerce Clause affects, quote, ‘activities,’ unquote. And, you know, the government telling you you have to buy health insurance--mandating that you have to buy health insurance--is not an activity. That’s telling you you got to do something you don’t want to do.

“Well, let’s put it this way,” said Hatch. “If that is held constitutional--for them to be able to tell us we have to purchase health insurance--then there is literally nothing that the federal government can’t force us to do. Nothing.”

Hatch said his Democratic colleagues in the Senate were trying to dismiss the question about the constitutionality of the government forcing people to buy health insurance without presenting a coherent and defensible argument for their position that Congress can exercise this sweeping and novel power.

When asked if any of his colleagues had made a coherent argument for the constitutionality of forcing people to buy health insurance, Hatch said, “Not one. Not one argument. In fact, they just dismiss it as though it’s not significant. But I’ll tell you this, a lot aren’t dismissing it. When we start having the federal government dictate to us what we have to purchase or buy without some commercial justifiable reason--you know, or 'activity,' which is the real key word here--we’ve lost our freedoms, and that means the federal government can do anything it wants to do to us.”

When the health-care reform bill was being debated in the Finance Committee, Hatch offered an amendment that would have provided for expedited judicial review of certain provisions in the bill including the mandate that individuals buy health insurance. Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D.-Mont.) ruled Hatch's amendment out of order, however, arguing that the issue properly belonged in the jurisdiction of the Judiciary Committee.

When CNSNews.com asked Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy (D.-Vt.) where the Constitution authorizes Congress to force Americans to buy health insurance, Leahy would not directly answer the question, claiming that "nobody" questioned Congress's authority to do this.

"We have plenty of authority. Are you saying there is no authority?" Leahy told CNSNews.com reporter Matt Cover. "Why would you say there is no authority? I mean, there’s no question there’s authority. Nobody questions that."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was equally dismissive of the question of where the Constitution authorized Congress to force Americans to buy health insurance. When reporter Matt Cover asked her the question, she said: “Are you serious? Are you serious?”

White House Spokesman Robert Gibbs similarly dismissed the issue without directly saying where the Constitution authorized the federal government to force people to buy health insurance. When CNSNews.com White House Correspondent Fred Lucas asked Gibbs to comment on the fact that some Republicans were questioning the constitutionality of forcing Americans to buy health insurance, Gibbs said: “I won't be confused as a constitutional scholar, but I don't believe there's a lot of--I don't believe there's a lot of case law that would demonstrate the veracity of what they're commentating on.”
Hatch said that if Congress claimed the power to tell Americans what things they must buy there would be “no limit” to the power of the federal government over the lives of Americans.

“There’s no limit,” said Hatch. “And this is a technical issue, but it’s an important technical, constitutional issue. I’ve raised it. A lot of people have said: Hey, you’re right. Some have said: Oh, you’re being extreme. I don’t think we’re being extreme. I think we’re being, we’re concerned about individual liberties and rights, and that’s what the Constitution protects, or at least should protect.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56447

Video and partial transcript at link above.

the
Jul 18, 2004

by Cowcaster
I don't think that Orrin Hatch has read the Sixteenth Amendment.

EDIT: Or Article I, Section 8, I don't know which one fits better.

the fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Nov 3, 2009

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
I remember when my state increased the sales tax to buy another stadium. I should have remembered that it's unconstitutional. Who the hell are they to force me to buy a stadium? I didn't want to buy a stadium!

the
Jul 18, 2004

by Cowcaster
When conservatives complain about taxes, I always ask them how the gently caress they expect the government to pay for anything.

"Why yes, I'd love a 1st world civilization, but DON'T MAKE ME PAY FOR IT! :bahgawd:"

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre

quote:

“There’s no limit,” said Hatch. “And this is a technical issue, but it’s an important technical, constitutional issue. I’ve raised it. A lot of people have said: Hey, you’re right. Some have said: Oh, you’re being extreme. I don’t think we’re being extreme. I think we’re being, we’re concerned about individual liberties and rights, and that’s what the Constitution protects, or at least should protect.”


HAHAHAHA, what the gently caress? When has Orrin Hatch EVER given a flying gently caress about personal liberties and rights?

the
Jul 18, 2004

by Cowcaster

LorneReams posted:

HAHAHAHA, what the gently caress? When has Orrin Hatch EVER given a flying gently caress about personal liberties and rights?

Maybe when he argued that people should have their computers destroyed for downloading music:

Wikipedia posted:

Hatch caused an overnight controversy on June 17, 2003 by proposing that copyright owners should be able to destroy the computer equipment and information of those suspected of copyright infringement, including file sharing. In the face of criticism, especially from technology and privacy advocates, Hatch withdrew his suggestion days later, after it was discovered that Sen. Hatch's official website was using an unlicensed JavaScript menu from United Kingdom based software developer Milonic Solutions. Milonic founder Andy Woolley stated that "We've had no contact with them. They are in breach of our licensing terms." Shortly after the publication of that story in Wired magazine, the company who runs Hatch's website contacted Milonic to start registration.

One year later, he proposed the controversial INDUCE Act that attempted to make illegal all tools that could be used for copyright infringement. According to many critics, this act would effectively outlaw the Internet and personal computers, giving unprecedented legal leverage to media companies.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

the posted:

Maybe when he argued that people should have their computers destroyed for downloading music:

The first time I read that I thought that he was arguing for not punishing people who delete all their illegally downloaded music after they get a warning. I started to think, hey, that's not a bad idea, they're technically destroying evidence but it's a reasonable response to finding out that your kid downloaded a bunch of illegal songs.

Then I read it again.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

the posted:

When conservatives complain about taxes, I always ask them how the gently caress they expect the government to pay for anything.

"Why yes, I'd love a 1st world civilization, but DON'T MAKE ME PAY FOR IT! :bahgawd:"

I live in Massachusetts and my favorite meme now is, "See you raised the sales tax! AND WE STILL LOST MONEY IN FACT WE LOST MORE MONEY THAN WE THOUGHT WE WOULD! TAXES BAAAAAD!! IF we lower taxes, however, we somehow magically make money!"

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre

müse posted:

I live in Massachusetts and my favorite meme now is, "See you raised the sales tax! AND WE STILL LOST MONEY IN FACT WE LOST MORE MONEY THAN WE THOUGHT WE WOULD! TAXES BAAAAAD!! IF we lower taxes, however, we somehow magically make money!"

MA loses money not because of taxes, but because a large amount of taxes gets shuttled directly to corporate interests and the neo-mob. See big dig, etc.

The Macaroni
Dec 20, 2002
...it does nothing.

LorneReams posted:

neo-mob
This is an awesome expression.

Bedbouncer
Apr 9, 2008

with the bird I'll share this lonely view

Tesla Insanely Coil posted:

My husband's aunt said this almost word for word. She is thankful that her company fires the old and sick because it keeps her health insurance down and she doesn't want to pay for other people's healthcare. I tried to think of ways to address that mindframe, but I came up with nothing. Any ideas?

This was my first thought, from a famous "community organizer" with communist sympathies and a well-known prison record.


41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

Ah, but you see, we only use the parts of the bible that support our case-- so I'll ignore that.

It's sad, but true.

Tape Speed
Aug 3, 2005

by T. Finn
The Feds forcing everyone to buy insurance from private companies (with a trigger if it doesn't work out) is bullshit, and its going to lead to increased premiums and other pleasant consequences that benefit an industry that doesn't deserve it

The enumerated constitutional permission to collect taxes and spend them on things to benefit the general welfare (i.e., single-payer health-care) is not the same thing as forcing people to buy something from private companies with (maybe) a public option later, that's basically fascism

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

quote:

Amazing that John Stossel, the beauty boy of ABC and who was the true investigative reporter for the truly non-political program 20/20 program was fired when he tried to run this. Anyone know what is going on? Everyone like the change?

Now you can hear and see WHY John was fired!!! (Where was Obama?>

The following link is to John Stossel's ABC (20-20) special that was delayed by ABC until after Henry Waxman's House committee voted on HR3200. Possibly you have already seen it because, thank goodness, a lot of people have discovered it and are forwarding it to everyone they know.

ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9GMKK_fWKg&feature=player_embedded

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

RagnarokAngel posted:

quote:

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.


Looks like ABC is burying the story again :laugh:

YouTuber
Jul 31, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

quote:

"WE NOTICED"

Sherry Hackett, wife of the late Buddy Hackett, is a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat. She is also a client of our daughter, Marlee Shaw. I would think that many other Democrats share her position.
-Omar


This was written by Sherry Hackett, Buddy Hackett's widow........

"WE NOTICED"

President Obama:

Today I read of your administrations' plan to re-define September 11 as a National Service Day. Sir, it's time we had a talk.........

During your campaign, Americans watched as you made mockery of our tradition of standing and crossing your heart when the Pledge of Allegiance was spoken. You, out of four people on the stage, were the only one not honoring our tradition.

YES, "We noticed."

During one of your many speeches, Americans heard you say that you intended to visit all 57 states.
We all know that Islam, not America has 57 states.

YES, "We noticed."

When President Bush leaned over at Ground Zero and gently placed a flower on the memorial, while you nonchalantly tossed your flower onto the pile without leaning over.

YES, "We noticed."

Every time you apologized to other countries for America 's position on an issue we have wondered why you don't share our pride in this great country. When you have heard foreign leaders berate our country and our beliefs, you have not defended us. In fact, you insulted the British Crown beyond belief.

YES, "We noticed."

When your pastor of 20 years, "G-damned America " and said that 9/11 was "America's chickens coming home to roost" and you denied having heard recriminations of that nature, we wondered how that could be. You later disassociated yourself from that church and Pastor Wright because it was politically expedient to do so.

YES, "We noticed."

When you announced that you would transform America , we wondered why. With all her faults, America is the greatest country on earth. Sir, KEEP THIS IN MIND, "if not for America and the people who built her, you wouldn't be sitting in the White House now." Prior to your election to the highest office in this Country, you were a senator from Illinois and from what we can glean from the records available, not a very remarkable one.

YES, "We noticed."

All through your campaign and even now, you have surrounded yourself with individuals who are basically unqualified for the positions for which you appointed them. Worse than that, the majority of them are people who, like you, bear no special allegiance, respect, or affection for this country and her traditions.

YES, "We noticed."

You are 9 months into your term and every morning millions of Americans wake up to a new horror heaped on us by you. You seek to saddle working Americans with a health care/insurance reform package that, along with cap and trade, will bankrupt this nation.

YES, "We noticed."

We seek, by protesting, to let our representatives know that we are not in favor of these crippling expenditures and we are labeled "un-American","racist", "mob". We wonder how we are supposed to let you know how frustrated we are. You have attempted to make our protests seem isolated and insignificant. Until your appointment, Americans had the right to speak out.

YES, "We noticed."

On September 11, 2001 there were no Republicans or Democrats, only Americans. And we all grieved together and helped each other in whatever way we could. The attack on 9/11 was carried out because we are Americans.

And YES, "We noticed."

There were many of us who prayed that as a black president you could help unite this nation. In six months you have done more to destroy this nation than the attack on 9/11. You have failed us.

YES, "We noticed."

September 11 is a day of remembrance for all Americans. You propose to make 9/11 a "National Service Day". While we know that you don't share our reverence for 9/11, we pray that history will report your proposal as what it is...a disgrace.

YES, "We noticed."

You have made a mockery of our Constitution and the office that you hold. You have embarrassed and slighted us in foreign visits and policy.

YES, "We noticed.."

We have noticed all these things. We will deal with you. When Americans come together again, it will be to remove you from office.

Take notice.

If you agree with this please pass it on.


:argh: 9/11: :argh: How dare you make a day of remembrance for a tragedy :argh: Black President :argh:

JohnClark
Mar 24, 2005

Well that's less than ideal
I saw this one the other day, and aside from the general stupidity of it, the one that jumped out at me was the "57 states of Islam". What does that even mean? And how can they include the suggestion the he's a cryptomuslim while simulatenously critizing his attendance of a christian church?

monoptic
Apr 8, 2004

MAGNICIFENT!
Hey did you guys hear? Apparently they're replacing the Christmas Tree this year with a "Holiday Tree"! :hurr:

I swear from now on my only replies to my super-conservative extended family will be links to factcheck.org.

Enrico Furby
Jun 28, 2003

by Hand Knit

Zwabu posted:

What is the education level of your dad? Have his political beliefs always been the Fox News variety of right wing? Do you expect to change his mind?

I know this was several pages back re: the healthcare e-mail I sent to my dad but I believe he finally finished his bachelors maybe around seven years ago or so. I think he had some college then went back, not quite sure. He was a business student. Shocking, I know.

He's always been pretty conservative. Grew up in a rural part of Western New York, was in the army and later on he did a brief stint in the reserves.

I don't think I will ever change his mind but I am just too drat easy to upset with ignorance. I feel like the only thing I can control in my life in this country is at the very least spreading the information and viewpoints I think will make the US/the world a better place, if not through film or the written word, then in casual conversation or stupid FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD: WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!! e-mails.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Tape Speed posted:

The enumerated constitutional permission to collect taxes and spend them on things to benefit the general welfare (i.e., single-payer health-care) is not the same thing as forcing people to buy something from private companies with (maybe) a public option later, that's basically fascism
I don't see what it has to do with fascism other than the fact that it both involves government authority and is bad.

And it's not even that bad in all cases, we have a system very similar for car insurance that more or less works.

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RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

JohnClark posted:

I saw this one the other day, and aside from the general stupidity of it, the one that jumped out at me was the "57 states of Islam". What does that even mean? And how can they include the suggestion the he's a cryptomuslim while simulatenously critizing his attendance of a christian church?

Because that pastor is a stealth muslim as well. Possibly the whole congregation. Dress em up as Christians and poor Americans will never know...

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