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TL posted:Except he really didn't, though. He won it at Unforgiven, from Triple H. He defended it at Surivor Series, against Triple H. He lost it at Armageddon, to Triple H. He has it for three months and did nothing but wrestle Triple H with it. It was extremely frustrating. To be fair, triple h won it in a triple threat with kane, by pinning kane.
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Wazzu posted:To be fair, triple h won it in a triple threat with kane, by pinning kane. no he won it pinning goldberg. after kane chokeslammed him.
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Nov 14, 2009 16:29
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dusty udder smoker posted:no he won it pinning goldberg. Either way, it was a terrible match. Won by the most boring, terrible, lazy wrestler in the WWE currently.
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*Benoit comes down to the ring to "Girls in Cars"* *References to Benoit are replaced by a large man yelling "THE CHAMPION" over the existing track *Benoit's face and trunks are blurred, and a scroll across the bottom says "The WWE Universe does not advocate killing your family and yourself"
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What were the WWF's ratings like around '97-98, around the time of the first D-X incarnation? I was watching youtubes of HBK's documentary and JR speculated that D-X v.2006 was probably as big as they were when they first appeared - which I suspect might be rubbish, but I guess that depends on how many people were watching when they were first hot - especially as it's around the time when the Monday Night Wars were finally turning around a bit for the WWF.
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Jetfire posted:What were the WWF's ratings like around '97-98, around the time of the first D-X incarnation? I was watching youtubes of HBK's documentary and JR speculated that D-X v.2006 was probably as big as they were when they first appeared - which I suspect might be rubbish, but I guess that depends on how many people were watching when they were first hot - especially as it's around the time when the Monday Night Wars were finally turning around a bit for the WWF. IIRC they were pulling 7-8's weekly.
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The A-Team Van posted:IIRC they were pulling 7-8's weekly. Nah they only got above 8 once, and very rarely got above a 7.
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Nov 16, 2009 04:28
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DX has probably made WWE far more money this time than they did 10 years ago.
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Nov 16, 2009 04:38
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On October 13th when they officially became DX Raw got a 2.3 to Nitro's 3.8. The night after the IYH: DX PPV Raw scored a 3.0 to Nitro's 4.3. The night after Wrestlemania 14 when Shawn Michaels left the WWE Raw got a 3.8 to Nitro's 4.2 and the next week the WWE beat WCW for the first time since the NWO. So there are some pretty good benchmarks for what they did ratings wise.
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Chilly McFreeze posted:DX has probably made WWE far more money this time than they did 10 years ago.
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I imagine there are more kids watching now, and with that come more parents willing to buy them lots and lots of D-X branded nonsense. Now whether that weighs more heavily than the greater number of tickets sold (?), and advertising money from higher ratings - solely from D-X's drawing power - is harder to quantify, I think.
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Nov 16, 2009 05:00
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Atticus Finch posted:With more viewers then than now, how do you figure? Because there's a lot more merch now/easier access? Higher proffit margin on DX glowsticks/DVDs/books than anything they were selling back then.
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Nov 16, 2009 05:00
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At the peak in 99-00, Raw would get high 4s and 5s, but consider that it counted less people than now so the drop in viewership is greater than what appears on the surface.
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Captain Charisma posted:At the peak in 99-00, Raw would get high 4s and 5s, but consider that it counted less people than now so the drop in viewership is greater than what appears on the surface. If that is the case, won't the drop be lesser? If the had the same viewers as they had in 99/00, the rating would be smaller now due to more people being tracked as cable viewers, no?
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FishBulb posted:Higher proffit margin on DX glowsticks/DVDs/books than anything they were selling back then. DX is one of the few household names WWE has left and they have a pretty decent-sized mainstream following. Their merch sells fairly well from non-WWE sellers.
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CM Junk posted:DX is one of the few household names WWE has left and they have a pretty decent-sized mainstream following. Their merch sells fairly well from non-WWE sellers. Yes and? ?
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I was adding to your point. Not everyone here wants to argue with you, Bulb. 
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Raeg posted:If that is the case, won't the drop be lesser? If the had the same viewers as they had in 99/00, the rating would be smaller now due to more people being tracked as cable viewers, no? Yes, the drop is uch less than it appears. But overall there is still a drop with less kids, and less 18-35s watching now than then.
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MassRayPer posted:Yes, the drop is uch less than it appears. But overall there is still a drop with less kids, and less 18-35s watching now than then. Yeah, I forgot to elaborate. The big drop was in 18-35 males, which is essentially the golden goose for advertisers.
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Nov 16, 2009 06:11
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Matt Cruea posted:In fact, to ask a semi-related question, has anyone else really fallen from main event to jobber status? Jeff Hardy WWE Champion to TNA Champion doesn't count, but has someone gone from WWE Main Eventer to WCW Jobber like Orndorff did? Hacksaw might count for this, too. King Kong Bundy main-evented with Hogan at WM 2 and beat up a midget in the undercard at WM 3. That's...quite a tumble from grace. Iron Sheik also did jobs for WCW for a while - he even got an extra $100k from them because they were too stupid to release him before his contract rolled over.
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Matt Cruea posted:Agreed. Orndorff was probably my favorite character of the 80s, and his turn from face to heel to face again was awesome. He was a pretty good wrestler, too. It was sad to see him go from main eventing Wrestlemania to jobbing on WCW Saturday Night. I was really happy to see him get into the Hall of Fame awhile back and liked when 24/7 did a month focusing on him. I think Lex Luger fell from grace quite a ways in WWF. He wrestled for the title at WM 10 and by next Wrestlemania he was in a crap tag-team and on his way out.
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oldpainless posted:I think Lex Luger fell from grace quite a ways in WWF. He wrestled for the title at WM 10 and by next Wrestlemania he was in a crap tag-team and on his way out. I was a mark for the Allied Powers, god save me.
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oldpainless posted:I think Lex Luger fell from grace quite a ways in WWF. He wrestled for the title at WM 10 and by next Wrestlemania he was in a crap tag-team and on his way out. He was still on the card at Wrestlemania though, so it's not a real fall from grace. Edit: I don't know if this counts for much, but I remember around 98-99ish, Mankind would be around the top of the card and in title matches, while Cactus Jack would appear on the same episode in unannounced, non-issue midcard matches  Another Edit: Big Boss Man. Main eventing with Hogan in the early 90s, to wrestling mostly on Jakked and Heat by the end of his 2002-2003ish run. Jetfire fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Nov 16, 2009 |
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Since WM19 happened during my 2 year hiatus from wrestling, what was the build for Austin/Rock like? Was it hinted that it would probably be Austin's last match? Or was it just about how Austin always beat the Rock at WM and the Rock wanted revenge? Just wondering because I watched some clip on Youtube with behind the scene stuff leading up to Austin's last match and realized I had no idea what the story was since I wasn't watching for a while.
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Carlton Banks posted:Since WM19 happened during my 2 year hiatus from wrestling, what was the build for Austin/Rock like? Was it hinted that it would probably be Austin's last match? Or was it just about how Austin always beat the Rock at WM and the Rock wanted revenge? It was kinda weird to me. Rock was in his Hollywood heel mode and spent some time playing his guitar and messing with the Hurricane. He seemed like more of a comedy heel than anything else. He gave Rock concerts and insulted towns while playing guitar. Austin broke his Willie Nelson guitar at one concert. Austin had come back from walking out in 2002 and a retirement angle was never really played up on TV, but looking back years later i can pick up on small things that I missed watching the first time. At the time, I certainly had no idea it was his last. But I guess it meant alot to him to come back for one more and put over Rocky. It was based mostly on Rock's revenge after he finally got serious about it. His best line was at WM19 when he said something like "All people ever remember is the final act" referring to movies and his trilogy with Austin.
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After Austin lost, on Raw Bischoff (who had brought him back as part of a "Eric Bischoff doesn't want to get his rear end fired" storyline) mocked him because he had discovered doctors warnings to Austin that his back was hosed and he SHOULDN'T have had the match at Mania and should never have a match again. Bischoff took great delight in then revealing that as GM it was his responsibility to "look out" for Austin and prevent him from having matches.... and if he couldn't have matches, he might as well just leave WWE. Shortly after that, Linda McMahon rehired Austin on as Co-GM of Raw and we had these wonderful opening segments where the screen would flash Bischoff's face to boos from the crowd, then flash Austin's to cheers from the crowd before the opening theme. A lot of people didn't like Austin's run as Co-GM/Sheriff of Raw, but I really enjoyed it, especially when it was ruled he couldn't fight wrestlers unless he was provoked (cue Austin going out and BEGGING people to punch him in the face) or how Mr. DTA was forced into a position where he HAD to trust a team to fight for him at Survivor Series (I think).
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Jerusalem posted:
And then they lost and Austin was forced to leave the WWE.
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KungFu Grip posted:And then they lost and Austin was forced to leave the WWE. And he was never seen again.
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KungFu Grip posted:And then they lost and Austin was forced to leave the WWE. Yep, and that was great. He put his trust in them, they tried their hardest but they failed.
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Nov 16, 2009 23:35
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Yeah, but there was a great story told where Austin had to trust a team led by Shawn Michaels of all people to beat Team Bischoff and Shawn had to try and fight off a 3 on 1 handicap.
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As a matter of fact, here's the match: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnfkb_team-bischoff-vs-team-austin_sport EDIT: It was the Dudleys, Booker T, Rob Van Dam, and Michaels vs. Christian, Jericho, Mark Henry, Scott Steiner, and Randy Orton. The Cameo fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Nov 16, 2009 |
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The Cameo posted:As a matter of fact, here's the match: And Batista. At least from my memory Batista was managing Orton.
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KungFu Grip posted:And Batista. At least from my memory Batista was managing Orton. Batista only showed up during the WHC match and backstage.
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Batista only showed up during the WHC match and backstage. For some reason I remember Batista actually helping Orton win by Batista Bombing HBK.
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KungFu Grip posted:For some reason I remember Batista actually helping Orton win by Batista Bombing HBK. gently caress, you are probably right. I just watched that PPV again last week too.
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Batista only showed up during the WHC match and backstage. He comes in at the end of the match, powerbombs HBK so Orton can crawl over him for the win.
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Okay dumb question here but bear with me. Do wrestlers "practice?" Not in the traditional sense, like training, but go over moves and such? Do they have rings backstage to practice bumps/moves/spots etc? Or do the house shows serve this function since they are not televised? Just curious.
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ToiletLaw posted:Okay dumb question here but bear with me. I remember seeing segments on some of the old home video releases where they'd be doing an on-camera interview in an empty arena and a wrestler would be in the ring running the ropes and doing elbow drops/knee drops etc by himself in the background. I'm guessing it varies between individual wrestlers, but Triple H mentioned in an interview that he was disappointed more young guys didn't take advantage of going to the ring before a show to run through some stuff with the backstage veterans who act as agents now.
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Here's a thought. Do most people consider Wrestlemania X7 to be the pinnacle, as well as the death of the Attitude Era? It seemed like a perfect storm of a show, and with WCW being purchased a week before, the Monday Night Wars were effectively ended. All of the matches on the undercard were pure Attitude Era poo poo, and then the main event with Austin's heel turn seemingly nailing the coffin shut in that one night.
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bradzilla posted:Here's a thought. Do most people consider Wrestlemania X7 to be the pinnacle, as well as the death of the Attitude Era? It seemed like a perfect storm of a show, and with WCW being purchased a week before, the Monday Night Wars were effectively ended. All of the matches on the undercard were pure Attitude Era poo poo, and then the main event with Austin's heel turn seemingly nailing the coffin shut in that one night. I think WM X7 is generally seen as the end of the Attitude Era. Austin was seen as the foremost representative of the Attitude Era and his heel turn ended that, even though he turned back a few months later. Plus, it was also the last time the Rock was really a full-time wrestler and he was a major leader during Attiude while Austin was out injured. That, and your abovve mentioned reasons seem to end that part of the WWE. Also, I remember JD Dunn over on 411 reviewing it and the tagline was "THe end of Ausitn, the end of attitude." So at least to some it was the end.
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