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I don't think I've ever heard anyone badmouth Kane. I heard a story where UT offered to put him over at Wrestlemania and Kane refused because he thought the streak was too important.
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oldpainless posted:I don't think I've ever heard anyone badmouth Kane. I heard a story where UT offered to put him over at Wrestlemania and Kane refused because he thought the streak was too important. Sorry to keep doing this, but it's the only way to prevent urban legends continuing. Kane turning down breaking the streak (or even being OFFERED to break the streak) was just a made up story. Kane is still a cool dude.
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Jerusalem posted:Sorry to keep doing this, but it's the only way to prevent urban legends continuing. Kane turning down breaking the streak (or even being OFFERED to break the streak) was just a made up story. Yes, he is. But if it's just an urban legend, then it should be stopped. Does anyone in the wrestling industry badmouth Lance Storm?
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oldpainless posted:Yes, he is. But if it's just an urban legend, then it should be stopped. Does anyone in the wrestling industry badmouth Lance Storm? I did hear about how he was advertised for an indy show in canada, his secduled oppenet could not go on for some reason so Storm just decided to go home without wrestling.
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BigRed0427 posted:I did hear about how he was advertised for an indy show in canada, his secduled oppenet could not go on for some reason so Storm just decided to go home without wrestling. Lance Storm is a jerk!
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Nov 19, 2009 05:58
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oldpainless posted:Does anyone in the wrestling industry badmouth Lance Storm? JBL and Bob Holly probably don't like him, but they're both cunts so they might not count. weekly font posted:Bobby Eaton is someone I never hear things about. Bill Watts, Tod Gordon, Jim Cornette (obviously) and Mick Foley are two people who've heaped praise on Bobby for being such a nice guy. Mick probably marks the last generation of guys to work with him, though. And hey, also, I've never heard anything bad about Paul Bearer.
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CombineThresher posted:And hey, also, I've never heard anything bad about Paul Bearer. There was that crazy lady's story from the unofficial Undertaker forums posted here a while back. She was completely batshit insane and told a story about how she HATED Paul Bearer because he didn't have Taker's best interests in heart, so she attacked him one night at a House show and got tossed by security. Then she went to the wrestlers' hotel and snuck up to Taker's room. When he walked in he just stared at her as she babbled her undying love for him, then pointed to a chair and told her,"Sit. Wait." and she did as she was told because "he is my Dark Master and I must obey him," and while she sat waiting he went and called security and had her escorted from the hotel. I really just wanted an excuse to post that story again.
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Nov 19, 2009 06:11
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Jerusalem posted:Then she went to the wrestlers' hotel and snuck up to Taker's room. When he walked in he just stared at her as she babbled her undying love for him, then pointed to a chair and told her,"Sit. Wait." and she did as she was told because "he is my Dark Master and I must obey him," and while she sat waiting he went and called security and had her escorted from the hotel. And that is why you never hear anything bad about the Undertaker.
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Nov 19, 2009 06:13
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CombineThresher posted:And that is why you never hear anything bad about the Undertaker. The moral of the story is Undertaker is awesome and anybody would listen to him.
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Nov 19, 2009 06:15
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nyratk1 posted:The moral of the story is Undertaker is awesome and anybody would listen to him. Right, I was implying that. Taker's never going to write a book, but I really wish he would.
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Nov 19, 2009 06:19
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If Undertaker wrote an autobiography it would be bound in human flesh and inked in blood and you would have to say Clatto Verata Nicto before reading it.
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Chunky Delight posted:If Undertaker wrote an autobiography it would be bound in human flesh and inked in blood and you would have to say Clatto Verata Nicto before reading it. And god help you if you skip a sentence.
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CombineThresher posted:JBL and Bob Holly probably don't like him, but they're both cunts so they might not count. Everything Lance has said about JBL makes it sound like they got along well in WWE.
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CombineThresher posted:Right, I was implying that. Taker's never going to write a book, but I really wish he would. Speaking of wrestlers and books, Jenna Jameson claims in her book that 'Taker used to go to a club she was stripping at and would totally death-stare any dudes that used to come up and talk to her.
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BigRed0427 posted:I did hear about how he was advertised for an indy show in canada, his secduled oppenet could not go on for some reason so Storm just decided to go home without wrestling. Lance already addressed this, and he was never there to begin with because he was never booked. Blame the lovely promoter.
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I would probably do anything the Undertaker told me to do. That dude is scary as gently caress.
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Incendiary Pig posted:I would probably do anything the Undertaker told me to do. That dude is scary as gently caress. 
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Incendiary Pig posted:I would probably do anything the Undertaker told me to do. That dude is scary as gently caress.
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Incendiary Pig posted:I would probably do anything the Undertaker told me to do. That dude is scary as gently caress. 
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You both posted pictures to try to disprove said point... But...that smile is just so unnatural... it's just not right. You've just proven the point further.
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Carlton Banks posted:...I don't like it. 
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MassRayPer posted:Everything Lance has said about JBL makes it sound like they got along well in WWE. Except for the time JBL started a screaming argument with him backstage over something Lance told his students in OVW. Lance doesn't dislike JBL really, he just thought guys like JBL and Bob Holly and Billy Gunn made life difficult for new guys in the locker room because they got butthurt over being "disrespected" really easily, and often looked for reasons to feel that way.
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What happened to Shawn Michaels eyes? Was there a specific accident/incident? If not, when did it start to become noticeable? Is it some kind of condition, or did he just get hit in the face too many times? Also does The Undertaker actually have tattoos of Mickey Mouse? The Rock was before my time, but I seem to recall him saying something to that effect on a YouTube video I stumbled across the other day.
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061469 posted:What happened to Shawn Michaels eyes? Was there a specific accident/incident? If not, when did it start to become noticeable? Is it some kind of condition, or did he just get hit in the face too many times? Shawn has a medical condition known as Being-A-God-Damned-Active-Wrestler-Well-Into-His-Mid-40s, and no, Undertaker does not have a Mickey Mouse tattoo.
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Sorry if that came off a little disrespectful to Michaels, but I only ask because I haven't seen too many older wrestlers with similar conditions.... but I don't know as I'm reasonably new to wrestling. Though for me, for example, and older wrestler like Hulk Hogan looks pretty normal for his age. And speaking of Hogan and Michaels, I've recently seen hilarious footage of Michaels totally overselling some of Hogan's attacks during a match and I'm also curious as to what would motivate that kind of thing. I'm guessing they aren't best of buds?
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061469 posted:Sorry if that came off a little disrespectful to Michaels, but I only ask because I haven't seen too many older wrestlers with similar conditions.... but I don't know as I'm reasonably new to wrestling. Though for me, for example, and older wrestler like Hulk Hogan looks pretty normal for his age. nah i wasn't snapping at you, basically here's the thing: michaels had been full time (ie working the main tv shows, ppvs, and house show tours) for about 12 years, with a 4 year gap in between (due to breaking his back), and has still worked some crazy matches (ladder matches, street fights, etc) and had drug abuse issues in the middle of his career. Compared to Hogan, who has never worked a full time schedule since the mid 80s, and who has never worked a match type other than "his match". Plus his hip and knees are shot to hell so he's not exactly unscathed either. And most people who were not in Hogan's inner circle of friends (bischoff, nasty boys, duggan, etc) don't exactly care for the guy considering how many careers he's stunted and how many angles and such had been killed because "that doesn't work for the Hulkster, brother!".
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dusty udder smoker posted:don't exactly care for the guy considering how many careers he's stunted and how many angles and such had been killed because "that doesn't work for the Hulkster, brother!". I dunno, I know I asked why Austin hated Hogan - but to me this is coming entirely from a dirt sheet writer. I mean, we poo-poo "CM PUNK DOGHOUSE!" crap, but we take whatever dirt sheet writers say that anonymous insiders say from the late 90's because it's been repeated so many times it's gospel.
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061469 posted:And speaking of Hogan and Michaels, I've recently seen hilarious footage of Michaels totally overselling some of Hogan's attacks during a match and I'm also curious as to what would motivate that kind of thing. I'm guessing they aren't best of buds? Everything Grody said, but in addition, in that specific match Hogan and Micheals were supposed to work a series of matches so that both men could win some, but Hogan kept changing his demands so that he would keep looking good at Michaels expense, so eventually it was just reduced down to that one match. Michaels just wanted to make he match ridiculous I guess. Apparently some people think this is a HUGE GASH IN THE FACE OF THE HONOR OF PRO WRESTLING (a sport where one of the biggest legends ever was killed by a urine soaked knife etc. etc.) most people just thought it was pretty funny. Since Shawn still works for the WWE regularly and is very over and Hogan is a joke that is going to save TNA, I don't think its really an issue with anyone that matters. Jagtpanther posted:I dunno, I know I asked why Austin hated Hogan - but to me this is coming entirely from a dirt sheet writer. I mean, we poo-poo "CM PUNK DOGHOUSE!" crap, but we take whatever dirt sheet writers say that anonymous insiders say from the late 90's because it's been repeated so many times it's gospel. We actually don't we aren't allowed to question dirt sheet writers at all here  Actually thats not true, most of the Austin stuff comes from things Austin has actually said or events that actually occurred to him. Besides Austin hates everyone, he beat up his own wife!
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Jagtpanther posted:I dunno, I know I asked why Austin hated Hogan - but to me this is coming entirely from a dirt sheet writer. I mean, we poo-poo "CM PUNK DOGHOUSE!" crap, but we take whatever dirt sheet writers say that anonymous insiders say from the late 90's because it's been repeated so many times it's gospel.
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dusty udder smoker posted:only it's been confirmed by other wrestlers and austin himself that hulk hogan held him down. go hunt down a few of his ecw promos. One of his promos on a competing federation isn't all lovey dovey over the top dog? Color me surprised. I'm not saying that it didn't happen, but that maybe we should be mindful of who is saying the horrible things, and what they have to gain/lose. For example, Foley making GBS threads over Flair for how Flair buried him in WCW while he was a booker, when Flair said that he was fighting for his own job and going through a breakdown, let alone worrying about another wrestler. Now Foley could be a piece of poo poo liar, or it could be Flair backtracking - the point is that it's two appraisals of the same situation from differing sides and just immediately jumping over one of them as the gospel truth of the situation seems a little rash. In this discussion we'd be looking for Hogan's opinion - in all honesty I don't think he vindictively held people down in WCW, even if that was the reality. Think how big he was, how huge his defection to WCW was, how big the nWo was, etc. - can you honestly blame him if he thought that people did actually want to see him instead of the unproven Austin? Southern Heel fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Nov 19, 2009 |
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dusty udder smoker posted:And most people who were not in Hogan's inner circle of friends (bischoff, nasty boys, duggan, etc) don't exactly care for the guy considering how many careers he's stunted and how many angles and such had been killed because "that doesn't work for the Hulkster, brother!". To be fair, I think a lot of guys who were primarily around during Hogan's heyday in the '80s think relatively highly of him, since he was making them lots of money. I think I've heard at least a few guys from that era say that the locker room generally liked Hogan a lot because they knew most of the audience was tuning in/buying tickets to see him, and so a large part of their cut of the gate was coming from Hogan. I've also heard Bobby Heenan say some really nice things about Hogan and how nice he generally was to the fans. It's once you get to guys who mostly started to peak after Hogan's drawing power declined sharply in the '90s that he becomes much less popular.
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dusty udder smoker posted:only it's been confirmed by other wrestlers and austin himself that hulk hogan held him down. go hunt down a few of his ecw promos. On the Legacy of Stone Cold DVD, Austin cuts a promo just burying WCW and another promo he is imitating Hogan and cuts off in the middle and walks off saying "this lame-rear end poo poo ain't gonna get the job done." Or something to that effect. Austin's promo in ECW where he talks about WCW and all the politics and does imitations of Flair and Dusty holding him down has got to be one of the all-time great promos. I think the DVD is worth buying just to see it.
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oldpainless posted:On the Legacy of Stone Cold DVD, Austin cuts a promo just burying WCW and another promo he is imitating Hogan and cuts off in the middle and walks off saying "this lame-rear end poo poo ain't gonna get the job done." Or something to that effect. The promo he cut after he lost a title match against Mikey Whipwreck was amazing too, as well as the promo he cut before the Mikey Whipwreck vs Sandman Ladder match was awesome too especially when he admonishes Sandman for drinking beer. This is the greatest promo/segment/whatever in history though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn6qf4n30B0 (I have this on a DVD in much better quality...I should upload it)
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Has Hulk Hogan ever wrestled in the UK? He wasn’t on the 92 Summer Slam from Wembley Stadium any particular reason he wasn't on this tour? I'm pretty sure he didn’t tour in 2000 on that awful WCW tour i was at the Manchester event and Booker V's Jarrett was the main event. He doesn't appear on the cards for the 2002 or 2003 Insurrextion UK PPV’s so my only guess would be another pre-2000 WWE UK tour if at all?
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gibsonisacripple posted:Has Hulk Hogan ever wrestled in the UK? Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage: London 1989 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WlIds2b-aY edit: according to http://www.softwolves.pp.se/wrestling/wwf/1991 he also wrestled Slaughter in London in 1991
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apsouthern posted:Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage: London 1989 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WlIds2b-aY Thanks for the rapid answer and the youtube clip. Gutted I've never got to see Hogan wrestle in person but looks like I've never even had the chance.
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gibsonisacripple posted:Thanks for the rapid answer and the youtube clip. Gutted I've never got to see Hogan wrestle in person but looks like I've never even had the chance. I saw him on a Nitro I attended years ago. It wasn't that great.
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Jagtpanther posted:I dunno, I know I asked why Austin hated Hogan - but to me this is coming entirely from a dirt sheet writer. I mean, we poo-poo "CM PUNK DOGHOUSE!" crap, but we take whatever dirt sheet writers say that anonymous insiders say from the late 90's because it's been repeated so many times it's gospel. Well, part of it is because it's Hogan and he has a long history of doing poo poo like that. Part of it is because WCW was a complete gongshow back then and there were a lot of unhappy people dishing dirt on what was going on backstage, making it easier for dirtsheets to have legit info and part of it is that some things that are said are easy to verify through alternate sources, like, say, Hogan's 'creative control' clause that he had in his WCW contract, which led to abortions like this. You're right to be skeptical about this sort of thing, though. I remember Scotsman pranked a number of websites with fake rumours. Perdido fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Nov 19, 2009 |
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So who are the most hated wrestlers? We listed good guys and everyone talks about Hogan and HHH. But let's list people who aren't the hugest stars around and still make enemies everywhere. 1. Buff Bagwell: He was a popular midcard act for WCW and held a few championships, but he got the reputation of being a prima donna and refusing to job in the late 90's and thought he was bigger than he was. And I'm sure having his mom around didn't help him out. And he was a huge bust when he went to the WWF. 2. Jeff Jarrett: J-e-doublef J-a-doubler-e-doublet. Besides having the worst catchphrase, Jarrett has his share of detractors. He has been given lost of chances and opportunities throughout his career. He comes from a wrestling family, fueded with Jerry Lawler when he started out, and had multiple stints with the two biggest companies during the height of the Monday Night Wars. He was put into a Horsemen storyline, a multiple-time IC champ, multiple tag-team champ, member of the NWO, world champ in WCW, focal point of his own promotion after WCW folded, and has a long list of accolades and is considered to be a good wrestler. But...something went wrong. Most of his accomplishments all have an asterisk next to them or circumstances that were not the best. To me, he always had to get the absolute cheapest heat he could. And not in the enjoyable Edge and Christian sense. In the WWF, he always had a valet or tag partner to cheat behind his back. He was portrayed as weak all the time. And I realize thats how lots of heels work, but instead of making me "What a bad guy! I hope someone cleans his clock" angry, it made me legitimately angry. He was boring and no matter how many guitars he smashed or women he allegedly beat, I never got interested in him. He was taking time away from people I wanted to see. He screwed with Vince. His contract ran out before a PPV and he had a match as the IC champ. He held Vince up for allegedly 150,000 to do the job and then jetted to WCW where he was pushed to the top. And all the stuff I said before about him boring me to tears? Magnify it tenfold in late WCW. Now he was still boring, still a coward, still had a deep South aura about him that lots of people couldn't get into, but now it seemed he was around ALL THE TIME. He had top storylines, more mic time, more title shots and mostly due to his friendship with Vince Russo. To me, he got more Xpac heat than Xpac. In the Fall of WCW DVD, Jarrett is given about 2 minutes of straight bashing. Everyone who speaks badmouths him and dislikes him. Someone says "He broke 6000 guitars and never drew a dime." And I agree. He was never able to make it as a top draw at the hottest point in wrestling and the top guy at the time, Austin, refused to work with him. And once he started his own promotion, it got even worse! I realize Jarrett probably did what he did for a few reasons: it was his company, people randomly watching would probably recognize Jarrett more than anyone else and say "Hey, its him. Let's watch.", maybe he felt he really was the best choice as champ, he was afraid that others might leave his upstart promotion and didn't want to invest time and money and exposure on them that might be wasted, the others in charge decided he was actually the best choice. All valid reasons I could understand the logic behind. But it seemed like everyone and every column I read hated his reign as top dog. He seemed to have that belt forever as top heel and was put over at the expense of everyone else until, like before, people wanted him to lose and get out of the title scene not because they hated the character, they hated the man. Ok, I'll end this now but i want to say that these words really can't express how much I loving hated Jeff Jarrett on my screen all the time.
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