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oldpainless posted:Ok, I'll end this now but i want to say that these words really can't express how much I loving hated Jeff Jarrett on my screen all the time. 
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quote:He screwed with Vince. His contract ran out before a PPV and he had a match as the IC champ. He held Vince up for allegedly 150,000 to do the job and then jetted to WCW where he was pushed to the top. This is Vince's fault entirely, and from what I understand was no-where near this much money. I don't remember if any exact figure was thrown out the last time I remember this coming up in the forums, but while Jeff and the WWE may not get along, the amount of bad blood is vastly overstated.
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Nov 19, 2009 22:10
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FishBulb posted:(a sport where one of the biggest legends ever was killed by a urine soaked knife etc. etc.) Can anyone elaborate on this?
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Nov 19, 2009 22:11
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:This is Vince's fault entirely, and from what I understand was no-where near this much money. I don't remember if any exact figure was thrown out the last time I remember this coming up in the forums, but while Jeff and the WWE may not get along, the amount of bad blood is vastly overstated. I think it the book The Death of WCW that listed 150,000. Maybe they don't hate each other then, but I was going off of the book and the fact that the WCW DVD seems to go out of its way to bash Jarrett. And didn't Vince insult Jeff the night he bought WCW on tv?
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Nov 19, 2009 22:13
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Wojtek posted:Can anyone elaborate on this? Supposedly the knife with which Bruiser Brody was stabbed had been dipped in urine so that if the stabbing itself didn't kill him an infection would.
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Nov 19, 2009 22:14
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Wojtek posted:Can anyone elaborate on this? Maybe he means Bruiser Brody getting stabbed to death?
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Nov 19, 2009 22:14
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Karmine posted:Supposedly the knife with which Bruiser Brody was stabbed with had been dipped in urine so that if the stabbing itself didn't kill him an infection would. Tony Atlas wasn't laughing that day 
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Nov 19, 2009 22:15
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No I meant this guy He pretty much made Japanese wrestling what it is, and you can play as him in almost all the Fire Pro games! Brody was also stabbed to death though yeah Karmine posted:Supposedly the knife with which Bruiser Brody was stabbed had been dipped in urine so that if the stabbing itself didn't kill him an infection would. You've got your stories mixed up. FishBulb fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Nov 19, 2009 |
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Nov 19, 2009 22:16
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Karmine posted:Supposedly the knife with which Bruiser Brody was stabbed had been dipped in urine so that if the stabbing itself didn't kill him an infection would. if so, then they were pretty stupid because urine is generally pretty close to sterile, almost any other substance would be more effective
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Nov 19, 2009 22:16
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Rockfish posted:if so, then they were pretty stupid because urine is generally pretty close to sterile, almost any other substance would be more effective Like jelly?
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Nov 19, 2009 22:23
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FishBulb posted:You've got your stories mixed up. gently caress, you're right. You know a business is sleazy when you get your stabbings mixed up.
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Nov 19, 2009 22:24
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oldpainless posted:didn't Vince insult Jeff the night he bought WCW on tv? I think he did, but he also insulted several WCW wrestlers that he then worked with/employed. He was being "Heel Vince McMahon" the character rather than expressing his opinon as "Businessman Vince McMahon" the real person.
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Nov 19, 2009 22:24
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SiKboy posted:I think he did, but he also insulted several WCW wrestlers that he then worked with/employed. He was being "Heel Vince McMahon" the character rather than expressing his opinon as "Businessman Vince McMahon" the real person. Besides don't you think Vince routinely insults his wrestlers to their faces? I imagine he does.
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Nov 19, 2009 22:26
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Rockfish posted:if so, then they were pretty stupid because urine is generally pretty close to sterile, almost any other substance would be more effective Urine is pretty close to sterile when it comes out of the bladder. Not so much immediately after that.
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Nov 19, 2009 22:30
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FishBulb posted:Besides don't you think Vince routinely insults his wrestlers to their faces? I dont know... I think hes a dick in real life, but I just cant picture him insulting people to their faces. I think he'd be more likely to just cut someone dead and tell them to shut up than to insult them. Its been a while, but I always thought the "insulting WCW wrestlers" thing was a way of checking crowd reaction to various names in WCW to get a better idea of what contracts to pick up/who to try pushing.
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Nov 19, 2009 22:40
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SiKboy posted:I dont know... I think hes a dick in real life, but I just cant picture him insulting people to their faces. I think he'd be more likely to just cut someone dead and tell them to shut up than to insult them. Reminder: This is a guy who supposedly asked one of his workers to "spic it up a bit" so at the very least we know that tact is not his strong point.
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Nov 19, 2009 23:09
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Karmine posted:Reminder: This is a guy who supposedly asked one of his workers to "spic it up a bit" so at the very least we know that tact is not his strong point. Who did he ask? And Vince seems to be a dick and a saint at different times. Austin always praises him and lots of people say he will give people their jobs back over and over. Foley praised Vince non-stop in his first two books but quit as an announcer and didnt like Vince after that. So like any person, it is all viewpoint. And people will probably also base their whole opinion on their last dealing with him.
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Nov 19, 2009 23:16
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oldpainless posted:Who did he ask? Carlito. He's also 60+ and a rich white man, so while I'm not making excuses, I'm also not surprised that he has archaic viewpoints and says things that people used to throw around without thinking years ago. My parents are younger than Vince and I'm still surprised by their odd moments of casual racism which they insist "isn't racist! We're just making observations about the unusual amount of asian people in this neighborhood!"
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Nov 19, 2009 23:19
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oldpainless posted:Who did he ask? I've heard that Vince treats the wrestlers good but shits on the personnel - do you think this may have led to the change in attitude Foley had for Vince?
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Nov 19, 2009 23:19
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Jerusalem posted:Carlito. Well, do they talk in a derogatory or hateful manner? If not, i'm not sure it can be called racism. Not politically correct, sure, but without intentional malice I've heard in classrooms that the remarks are not actually racist.
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Nov 19, 2009 23:21
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oldpainless posted:Well, do they talk in a derogatory or hateful manner? If not, i'm not sure it can be called racism. Not politically correct, sure, but without intentional malice I've heard in classrooms that the remarks are not actually racist. It's just a little troubling to hear my parents talking about the number of asians in an area with the implication that this is something to be worried about. My parents are fine people, they were opposed to apartheid and mock and deride open racists, but they grew up in an entirely different time to me and things they think are fine to say are not the same for me. Same with Vince, he probably sees absolutely nothing wrong with asking someone if they can "spic" it up. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Nov 19, 2009 |
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Nov 19, 2009 23:24
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Jerusalem posted:It's just a little troubling to hear my parents talking about the number of asians in an area with the implication that this is something to be worried about. My parents are fine people, they were opposed to apartheid and mock and deride open racists, but they grew up in an entirely different time to me and things they think are fine to say are not the same for me. Its just confusing because Asians are so well behaved!
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Nov 19, 2009 23:25
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FishBulb posted:Its just confusing because Asians are so well behaved! Until they Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift all over my azaleas!
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Nov 19, 2009 23:28
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Jerusalem posted:It's just a little troubling to hear my parents talking about the number of asians in an area with the implication that this is something to be worried about. My parents are fine people, they were opposed to apartheid and mock and deride open racists, but they grew up in an entirely different time to me and things they think are fine to say are not the same for me. Show them Jimmy Wang Yang. He's the best of both Asian and Anglo worlds!!
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Nov 19, 2009 23:29
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FishBulb posted:Besides don't you think Vince routinely insults his wrestlers to their faces? Vince is one of the most confrontational people on planet Earth, so yeah, I could see this happening. oldpainless posted:So who are the most hated wrestlers? Not very many people like Kevin Nash, and a lot of old school guys really hate Terry Taylor for some reason. Raven has a pretty bad reputation in the business too, probably because he wavered between being a miserable junkie and an obnoxious goof for most of his career.
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Nov 19, 2009 23:55
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Burrito posted:Until they Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift all over my azaleas! So you're basically Kerwin White?
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SiKboy posted:I think he did, but he also insulted several WCW wrestlers that he then worked with/employed. He was being "Heel Vince McMahon" the character rather than expressing his opinon as "Businessman Vince McMahon" the real person. 
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Nov 20, 2009 01:51
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Dragging Iron Feet posted:They bury the poo poo out of Jarrett on the Horsemen DVD and the RIse & Fall of WCW DVD. The Horsemen one was hosed though because Flair and AA bury Jarrett but put Mongo over as a "real Horseman" Didn't Flair like Mongo because he "lived the lifestyle"?
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Nov 20, 2009 01:55
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Jerusalem posted:Didn't Flair like Mongo because he "lived the lifestyle"? Yeah, Flair thinks Mongo was an awesome Horseman because he acted, lived and partied like one. And considering he was in a stable with Benoit, Flair and Malenko, he could suck in the ring and who really cared? Some smarks.
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Nov 20, 2009 01:59
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MassRayPer posted:Yeah, Flair thinks Mongo was an awesome Horseman because he acted, lived and partied like one. And considering he was in a stable with Benoit, Flair and Malenko, he could suck in the ring and who really cared? Some smarks.
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Mongo hosed Debra for several years. Jarrett looked like an early 90's female soap opera star. Mongo wins.
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Nov 20, 2009 03:15
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The whole "Jarrett holding Vince up" was because Jarrett was leaving, and he wanted his PPV payoff after that night, instead of six months later when everybody else would receive theirs.
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Davros1 posted:The whole "Jarrett holding Vince up" was because Jarrett was leaving, and he wanted his PPV payoff after that night, instead of six months later when everybody else would receive theirs. Didn't he make Vince give him $150,000 just for that night, though? Or was that the normal PPV payoff in those days?
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CombineThresher posted:I think it's safe to say that most of us hated it; Hogan's reign was symptomatic of WCW's good undercard/lovely main event problem, not to mention the backstage pull Hogan had and freely abused. It worked AND people hated it. BigRed0427 posted:I did hear about how he was advertised for an indy show in canada, his secduled oppenet could not go on for some reason so Storm just decided to go home without wrestling. Jagtpanther posted:I dunno, I know I asked why Austin hated Hogan - but to me this is coming entirely from a dirt sheet writer. I mean, we poo-poo "CM PUNK DOGHOUSE!" crap, but we take whatever dirt sheet writers say that anonymous insiders say from the late 90's because it's been repeated so many times it's gospel. oldpainless posted:I think it the book The Death of WCW that listed 150,000.
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LividLiquid posted:This sounds nothing like Lance. Where'd you hear it? I've read this same thing but I can't recall where for the life of me. It may have been in that Stampede Wrestling book but I really don't remember.
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Nov 20, 2009 08:15
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sportsgenius86 posted:I've read this same thing but I can't recall where for the life of me. It may have been in that Stampede Wrestling book but I really don't remember. http://www.stormwrestling.com/030308.html straight from the horses mouth.
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dusty udder smoker posted:http://www.stormwrestling.com/030308.html This isn't where I read it, but I'm fairly certain after reading this that it was mentioned in the Stampede Wrestling book.
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How come in the WWE discussion threads, where it shows TV ratings, Smackdown always has question marks instead of a number?
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mode posted:How come in the WWE discussion threads, where it shows TV ratings, Smackdown always has question marks instead of a number? Since MNTV is no longer a network, I believe the ratings are lumped into the syndication numbers that come out a week or two late.
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