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Could someone give me a rundown of what happened to Lance Storm? Like, I vaguely remember the guy in WCW, and looking back he was a good technical wrestler, but I'd assume he was working somewhere today, no?
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Nov 20, 2009 11:10
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Shadow225 posted:Could someone give me a rundown of what happened to Lance Storm? Like, I vaguely remember the guy in WCW, and looking back he was a good technical wrestler, but I'd assume he was working somewhere today, no? After the WCW buyout, he became a regular in WWF for about 4 years, mainly in the midcard kind of floating around, still putting out good to great matches. He ended up retiring as a full time wrestler at the first ECW One Night Stand, but still did the occasional indy date here and there, most notably of which was his latest stint in ROH at Death Before Dishonor weekend. He's a regular guest on Bryan Alvarez's podcast Figure Four Daily, and posts commentaries every so often on his own website. He's a pretty insightful/witty dude who has a great mind for the business, so I suggest reading some of his articles. STING 64 fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Nov 20, 2009 |
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Nov 20, 2009 11:49
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LividLiquid posted:
Who is most people? Don't shoot down the source I based it off of, even if wrong, and then use "most people" to back up your claim.
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Nov 20, 2009 13:52
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oldpainless posted:Who is most people? Don't shoot down the source I based it off of, even if wrong, and then use "most people" to back up your claim.
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Nov 20, 2009 14:43
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From Storm's website: Q: Do you ever wish you could have wrestled a Best-Of-5 series against Steve "Mongo" McMichael, with the 5th match of the series being an Iron Man match? How would you have prepared for such an opponent? A: I’d have probably just quit the business.
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Nov 20, 2009 15:04
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dusty udder smoker posted:After the WCW buyout, he became a regular in WWF for about 4 years, mainly in the midcard kind of floating around, still putting out good to great matches. For "good-to-great" read "heatless, idetentical-to-anonymous-New-Japan-rookie-".
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Nov 20, 2009 17:29
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Can anyone tell me if/where I can buy the shirt Hulk Hogan was shown wearing during the Impact videos? The shirt where it is his sunglasses and mustache scribbled on a black shirt.
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Nov 20, 2009 18:19
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Theshby posted:For "good-to-great" read "heatless, identical-to-anonymous-New-Japan-rookie." Lance Storm is a pretty easy guy to book, provided you don't shoehorn every midcarder into a comedy gimmick the way WWE does. His UnAmericans phase got heat, as did the initial phase of his "Boring" gimmick, but then the writers had no idea what his strengths were and he floundered. Not saying he would have been World champion or anything, but he was certainly a step above guys like Lance Cade and Big Daddy V.
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Nov 20, 2009 20:35
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MassRayPer posted:The most recent Smackdown rating to come out was a 2.1 if anyone is wondering. I have to wonder if WWE is thinking of taking SmackDown somewhere else when their deal with MyNetwork is up. From what I hear, SmackDown can be tough to find in some markets. Problem is, I don't see who else would take it, aside from WGN, which gets even less clearance.
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Nov 20, 2009 20:36
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TL posted:I have to wonder if WWE is thinking of taking SmackDown somewhere else when their deal with MyNetwork is up. From what I hear, SmackDown can be tough to find in some markets. Problem is, I don't see who else would take it, aside from WGN, which gets even less clearance. Smackdown would probably be an improvement over many of NBC's ratings  (But seriously, I'd say Smackdown would probably end up on USA or something.)
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Nov 20, 2009 21:09
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CombineThresher posted:Lance Storm is a pretty easy guy to book, provided you don't shoehorn every midcarder into a comedy gimmick the way WWE does. His UnAmericans phase got heat, as did the initial phase of his "Boring" gimmick, but then the writers had no idea what his strengths were and he floundered. That weren't a drat gimmick
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Nov 20, 2009 21:34
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CombineThresher posted:Lance Storm is a pretty easy guy to book, provided you don't shoehorn every midcarder into a comedy gimmick the way WWE does. His UnAmericans phase got heat, as did the initial phase of his "Boring" gimmick, but then the writers had no idea what his strengths were and he floundered. The UnAmericans were going to be booked stronger, but two things derailed them. At MSG they were going to (not) burn the American flag and due to the parking situation they'd have to leave the arena surrounded by the public, so a guy backstage offered to pull their cars up to the building instead. They said sure as this would save them a lot of time as the garages were a pain, but when word got out, and the angle failed to get heat they got a reputation of being afraid to get heat. And around the same time Evolution started coming together and the heel stable of mostly mid carders lost the interest of the bookers.
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Nov 20, 2009 21:47
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MassRayPer posted:The UnAmericans were going to be booked stronger, but two things derailed them. At MSG they were going to (not) burn the American flag and due to the parking situation they'd have to leave the arena surrounded by the public, so a guy backstage offered to pull their cars up to the building instead. They said sure as this would save them a lot of time as the garages were a pain, but when word got out, and the angle failed to get heat they got a reputation of being afraid to get heat. A couple other things hosed up the UnAmericans booking. Vince wanted Test and Christian to get short haircuts (both had long hair at the time) and they bitched about it, so the writers were less interested in pushing two guys who weren't committed. Also, Lance and Jericho wanted Jericho to join them and change the name to C4, since they were four Canadians and they would do the 4 Horsemen gimmick. They were told "no" and then the gimmick was turned into Evolution.
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Nov 20, 2009 22:28
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Dragging Iron Feet posted:They bury the poo poo out of Jarrett on the Horsemen DVD and the RIse & Fall of WCW DVD. The Horsemen one was hosed though because Flair and AA bury Jarrett but put Mongo over as a "real Horseman" New question: who's more lovely: Jarrett or Mongo?
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Nov 20, 2009 22:52
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ColeM posted:New question: who's more lovely: Jarrett or Mongo? Mongo produced 10 million shittiness units for a couple years. Jeff Jarret has been producing 9 million shittiness units for over a decade. Jarret wins.
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Nov 20, 2009 22:54
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Lance Storm took wrestling too seriously. He was an amazing technician, but at some point, you've gotta have fun with it. He just seemed very business oriented 100000% of the time and you're never going to draw interest like that.
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Nov 20, 2009 22:58
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sportsgenius86 posted:Lance Storm took wrestling too seriously. He was an amazing technician, but at some point, you've gotta have fun with it. He just seemed very business oriented 100000% of the time and you're never going to draw interest like that. Did lance storm ever wrestle any comedy matches?
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Nov 21, 2009 00:26
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TL posted:I have to wonder if WWE is thinking of taking SmackDown somewhere else when their deal with MyNetwork is up. From what I hear, SmackDown can be tough to find in some markets. Problem is, I don't see who else would take it, aside from WGN, which gets even less clearance. I don't think MyNetworkTV is going to exist by the time the WWE deal is up. I'm pretty sure I've read before that Vince likes being able to boast that WWE has a scheduled presence on both cable and broadcast television, so I doubt we'll see SmackDown moved to USA. WGN America is not the most preferable option due to its smaller market penetration, but it might be the most practical. Heck, a lot of people were suggesting, after Superstars was announced, that WWE did the Superstars deal to secure a timeslot for SmackDown as a contingency plan in case MyNetwork went tits-up.
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Nov 21, 2009 00:42
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Timby posted:I don't think MyNetworkTV is going to exist by the time the WWE deal is up. I'd love it if FOX did want to jump in and take Smackdown. They were always rumored to watch wrestling back in the early 00s.
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Nov 21, 2009 01:37
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sportsgenius86 posted:Lance Storm took wrestling too seriously. He was an amazing technician, but at some point, you've gotta have fun with it. He just seemed very business oriented 100000% of the time and you're never going to draw interest like that. His catch phrase was "If I can be serious for a moment." You don't think he was having fun with it? In the end, Lance was a family man who didn't drink or do drugs, so he wasn't a big time party animal. I've seen him be an energetic babyface, but he's much more interesting as a cold and calculating heel, since it plays more naturally. But in the end, he's a smaller guy who doesn't do drugs to make himself larger, and doesn't have a wacky personality to begin with. He knew he was never going to be a top guy, and was OK with it. And he still found time to goof off on spot shows or house shows. He just didn't do it on TV since that is unprofessional.
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Nov 21, 2009 01:40
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Lance Storm was just another in a long line of bland but technically-proficient understized Canadians that have no charisma and can't cut a promo or sell an angle to save their mid card careers. Nothing against the guy but I don't even see anyone trying the 'HE WAS BURIED' defense, and that says something.
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Nov 21, 2009 01:59
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Supreme Allah posted:Lance Storm was just another in a long line of bland but technically-proficient understized Canadians that have no charisma and can't cut a promo or sell an angle to save their mid card careers. Nothing against the guy but I don't even see anyone trying the 'HE WAS BURIED' defense, and that says something. because he didn't care about becoming a main eventer. he was perfectly happy to just wrestle.
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Nov 21, 2009 02:01
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Supreme Allah posted:Lance Storm was just another in a long line of bland but technically-proficient understized Canadians that have no charisma and can't cut a promo or sell an angle to save their mid card careers. Nothing against the guy but I don't even see anyone trying the 'HE WAS BURIED' defense, and that says something. Claiming Lance can't sell an angle is bullshit. The rest is pretty true.
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Nov 21, 2009 02:08
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MassRayPer posted:His catch phrase was "If I can be serious for a moment." You don't think he was having fun with it? In the end, Lance was a family man who didn't drink or do drugs, so he wasn't a big time party animal. I've seen him be an energetic babyface, but he's much more interesting as a cold and calculating heel, since it plays more naturally.
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Nov 21, 2009 02:09
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dusty udder smoker posted:because he didn't care about becoming a main eventer. he was perfectly happy to just wrestle. Right. Lance is perfect for the Tito Santana role - a guy who gets booked to have good, solid matches in the midcard and job to guys getting ready for a main event push. If you put him in simple, competitive feuds, he did fine.
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Nov 21, 2009 02:28
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Timby posted:I don't think MyNetworkTV is going to exist by the time the WWE deal is up. If MyNetwork went tits-up, that would leave a good amount of local stations without prime-time affiliation and in the programming marketplace, which could push the WWE back into the syndication business, like they were in the 80s with Superstars. Doubtful as the syndie business is a mess, but possible. Yeah, I'd say the broadcast connection means the WWE will take broadcast anything over getting pushed over to cable with their product. But, in about five years, broadcast television probably won't mean anything anymore, so Smackdown! could become the WWE Channel original programming flagship. Who knows?
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Nov 21, 2009 02:29
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Am I wrong in thinking that Jarrett was okay as an upper mid-card heel during his first WCW and second WWF run or were they lovely but compared to his second WCW run and TNA they seem down right decent in comparison ?
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Nov 21, 2009 06:30
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Chunky Delight posted:Am I wrong in thinking that Jarrett was okay as an upper mid-card heel during his first WCW and second WWF run or were they lovely but compared to his second WCW run and TNA they seem down right decent in comparison ? Jarrett certainly could be OK-to-good at times. But he could also get stale very quickly. Given how he was perfectly content to coast on minimum effort when the opportunity presented itself, that was a problem.
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Nov 21, 2009 06:49
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Chunky Delight posted:Am I wrong in thinking that Jarrett was okay as an upper mid-card heel during his first WCW and second WWF run or were they lovely but compared to his second WCW run and TNA they seem down right decent in comparison ? In his WWF run, he made one of his signature moves the single arm DDT, which is probably the worst possible move to pick when you've got two other much better guys doing the exact same move, but calling it the Rock Bottom and Book End, but in their moves the OTHER guy gets hurt. It takes a special kind of shittiness to make three matches of a night, two of which Jarrett isn't even in, worse with one move.
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Nov 21, 2009 07:30
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Brickhouse Betty posted:In his WWF run, he made one of his signature moves the single arm DDT, which is probably the worst possible move to pick when you've got two other much better guys doing the exact same move, but calling it the Rock Bottom and Book End, but in their moves the OTHER guy gets hurt. the rock bottom/bookend look nothing like receiving a ddt 
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Nov 21, 2009 08:00
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Gar posted:Can anyone tell me if/where I can buy the shirt Hulk Hogan was shown wearing during the Impact videos? The shirt where it is his sunglasses and mustache scribbled on a black shirt. I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to or not, but I did just come across it so I figured I would share: http://hirsutehistory.com/design/hulk_hogan/
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Nov 21, 2009 09:13
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dusty udder smoker posted:the rock bottom/bookend look nothing like receiving a ddt A regular DDT, no. But here's a lovely 2 minute MSPaint of the single arm DDT, the red guy is Jarrett and the black guy is the victim. The faces indicate that the victim is facing us, and Jarrett facing away. 
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Nov 21, 2009 10:07
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Brickhouse Betty posted:A regular DDT, no. But here's a lovely 2 minute MSPaint of the single arm DDT, the red guy is Jarrett and the black guy is the victim. The faces indicate that the victim is facing us, and Jarrett facing away. Yeah, but the single arm DDT looks nothing like a Rock Bottom other than the set up, kind of.
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Nov 21, 2009 10:10
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I dunno, maybe my drawing is terrible, maybe I'm remembering it wrong, maybe you're talking about good people doing good single arm DDTs. But I swear Jarrett's version looked about 90% like him Rock Bottoming himself.
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Nov 21, 2009 10:17
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Brickhouse Betty posted:I dunno, maybe my drawing is terrible, maybe I'm remembering it wrong, maybe you're talking about good people doing good single arm DDTs. But I swear Jarrett's version looked about 90% like him Rock Bottoming himself. Whoops, I understand what you mean now. I think the lovely moves of today like Matt Morgan's Hellavator (AKA "I am going to DDT myself") make a move where the deliverer ends up on his back and his opponent goes chest first seem really legit. I just couldn't see how you thought Jarrett was getting hurt since he was landing on his back. But yeah, I've also seen a lot of ROH guys do it, especially doing a tornado version where it looks way different from a Rock Bottom to yourself, and looks like your opponent takes the impact.
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Nov 21, 2009 10:22
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Brickhouse Betty posted:I dunno, maybe my drawing is terrible, maybe I'm remembering it wrong, maybe you're talking about good people doing good single arm DDTs. But I swear Jarrett's version looked about 90% like him Rock Bottoming himself. this is why i hate shelton's finisher. i never minded the single arm ddt much. MassRayPer posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljdP9RHuK84 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO9alCFEsj8
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Nov 21, 2009 12:03
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SiKboy posted:Did lance storm ever wrestle any comedy matches? I swear he danced once, perhaps with Too Cool or something. I swear he did something goofy at some point. Not sure about matches though.
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Nov 21, 2009 13:54
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I remember an old Lance Storm promo he cut on Chris Candido and Tammy Sytch during their mixed tag feud back in ECW that I thought was pretty hilarious at the time though it would NOT fly in WWE. He did the ring announcements, introducing Candido along the lines of "Hailing from New Jersey, weighing at a steroid-enhanced 225 pounds.... Chris Candido!" For Sytch, he did "Hailing from the men's locker rooms, Tammy Lynn Sytch!" The intro got some pretty big heat from the crowd. So there, he could cut a solid promo while in ECW. 
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Nov 21, 2009 16:07
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CM Punk Lance Storm Similarities?
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Nov 22, 2009 01:37
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Have they ever explained the kayfabe reason why wrestlers get certain music? Like "Hogan felt this music explained him perfectly" or something much better written.
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Nov 22, 2009 01:58
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