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oldpainless posted:But doesn't he have to pay royalty fees to anyone who ever commentated then? What makes Jesse such a special case? Did he want like ten times as much as anyone else? yes he does have to pay others actually. if you appeared in any way shape or form on a wwe dvd, you're to be paid royalties.
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oldpainless posted:But doesn't he have to pay royalty fees to anyone who ever commentated then? What makes Jesse such a special case? Did he want like ten times as much as anyone else? Jesse sued Vince for royalties and won, so Vince doesn't like Jesse.
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oldpainless posted:Football is harder. 
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Everytime I see him now I can only think of Blazing Saddles Botchamania has ruined that film for me!
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crankdatbatman posted:Ok. Possibly the dumbest question of all time. To the best of my knowledge, no, it was never really a "Federation" of smaller companies co-operating. It was one company, solely owned by Vinces father, called the WWWF (the extra W is for "Wide") then it changed its name. The "federation" part was there for basically the same reason as "world-wide", to make it sound bigger and more important than it actually was at the time. And also, because if you took away "world-wide" and "federation" you would be left with a company simply called "Wrestling".
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The Croc posted:Everytime I see him now I can only think of Blazing Saddles Botchamania has ruined that film for me!
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oldpainless posted:Football is harder. Brock started his pro career in 2000, didn't win the WWE Title until 2002. oldpainless posted:Hey, what is the deal with Jesse Ventura's commentary on some of the videos? Sometimes he is on there but other times, like on the Rise and Fall of WCW DVD, you can plainly see Jesse at ringside talking and moving but it is all blanked out and only JR commentates. Does anyone know the reason for this? From Wiki quote:In 1987, while negotiating his contract as a WWF commentator, Ventura waived his rights to royalties on videotape sales when he was falsely told that only feature performers received such royalties. In 1991, having discovered that other non-feature performers received royalties, Ventura brought an action for fraud, misappropriation of publicity rights, and unjust enrichment in Minnesota state court against Titan Sports. The case was removed to federal court, and Ventura won an $801,333 jury verdict on the last claim. The judgment was affirmed on appeal, and the case,[12] 65 F.3d 725 (8th Cir.1995), is an important result in the law of restitution.
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Davros1 posted:Brock started his pro career in 2000, didn't win the WWE Title until 2002. You're splitting hairs. You wouldn't say that people in FCW are in the pros, would you? Brock made his pro debut when he first appeared on television. That was in March 2002. He won the title in August 2002.
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Chop Licker posted:Won a Super Bowl then became a punchline in the wrestling world.
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Nov 28, 2009 06:03
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Expanding on the football talk I started, I just found Goldberg was in the NFL for a while. Ol' Goldberg was drafted in the 11th round, the draft doesn't even go that deep anymore.
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crankdatbatman posted:Expanding on the football talk I started, I just found Goldberg was in the NFL for a while. Ol' Goldberg was drafted in the 11th round, the draft doesn't even go that deep anymore. Played for the Falcons and ripped up his knee, right?
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A couple of questions: -What lead up to the Horsemen breaking Dusty's arm and what was the aftermath? I can't really find anything saying why they were feuding and why they went that far. -What broke the sex and steroids scandal in 1991-92 and what was the [obvious] importance of this whole deal? Was there an immediate shift in focus to smaller built guys away from the huge superhero types?
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Timby posted:Played for the Falcons and ripped up his knee, right? I thought I read that he ripped up his abs.
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The A-Team Van posted:-What broke the sex and steroids scandal in 1991-92 and what was the [obvious] importance of this whole deal? Was there an immediate shift in focus to smaller built guys away from the huge superhero types? It wasn't exactly instantaneous-Warrior was pushed at the top until he left in late 92, and the only reason Hogan wasn't on top was because he had retired for the first of seventeen times. I have no doubt he'd be on top had he still been around-look how quickly he got the belt back when he returned in 93.
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battlemonk posted:I thought I read that he ripped up his abs. But that didn't stop his wrestling career. A fist through a car window did. Well, temporarily.
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I've heard a lot of negative things about Goldberg here, like how he doesnt care for the business, getting into fights with people backstage, taking himself too seriously. But on the Rise and Fall of WCW I was really surprised to see him come cross very well in his interview segments. So what's going on here?
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Timby posted:You're splitting hairs. You wouldn't say that people in FCW are in the pros, would you? Brock made his pro debut when he first appeared on television. That was in March 2002. He won the title in August 2002. Yes, I would say people who are in FCW are pros. Being on TV isn't a requisite for being a pro wrestler.
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crankdatbatman posted:But that didn't stop his wrestling career. I don't care what anyone says, that was bad rear end of him to do that! Sure it was stupid and he almost lost his arm from the blood he lost, but since he didn't lose his arm, it's cool!
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Alan_Shore posted:I've heard a lot of negative things about Goldberg here, like how he doesnt care for the business, getting into fights with people backstage, taking himself too seriously. But on the Rise and Fall of WCW I was really surprised to see him come cross very well in his interview segments. So what's going on here? Stuff does come up here and there, but that's just because was really high profile. He's barely on the charts when in comes to dickhead wrestlers.
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ColeM posted:I don't care what anyone says, that was bad rear end of him to do that! Sure it was stupid and he almost lost his arm from the blood he lost, but since he didn't lose his arm, it's cool! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSgFffrghBE
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The Croc posted:Everytime I see him now I can only think of Blazing Saddles Botchamania has ruined that film for me!
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Honeymoon posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSgFffrghBE Holy poo poo that actually looked pretty awesome. I never saw it before, but with hindsight (knowing he was ok later) and not having a high opinion of the guy before, my respect for Goldberg just went up a notch.
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the goldberg video led me to this piece of awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldwMw0fO5Fo
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iamsosmrt posted:Holy poo poo that actually looked pretty awesome. I never saw it before, but with hindsight (knowing he was ok later) and not having a high opinion of the guy before, my respect for Goldberg just went up a notch. He wasn't okay later, though. He tore his arm to shreds, nearly died and missed a ton of time. Goldberg not being around wasn't the worst thing to happen to WCW, but it certainly didn't help.
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Alan_Shore posted:I've heard a lot of negative things about Goldberg here, like how he doesnt care for the business, getting into fights with people backstage, taking himself too seriously. But on the Rise and Fall of WCW I was really surprised to see him come cross very well in his interview segments. So what's going on here? My favorite Goldberg story has Raven trying to teach Goldberg how to sell. Goldberg is unresponsive, and Goldberg tells Raven he wont sell because "he wouldn't sell in a real fight". Raven gives up trying to teach Goldberg to sell. Goldberg's not a bad person, he's just a huge mark for himself.
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Alan_Shore posted:I've heard a lot of negative things about Goldberg here, like how he doesnt care for the business, getting into fights with people backstage, taking himself too seriously. But on the Rise and Fall of WCW I was really surprised to see him come cross very well in his interview segments. So what's going on here? They were filmed when he was in WWE.
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Meat Recital posted:My favorite Goldberg story has Raven trying to teach Goldberg how to sell. Goldberg is unresponsive, and Goldberg tells Raven he wont sell because "he wouldn't sell in a real fight". Raven gives up trying to teach Goldberg to sell. I think he just really didn't understand. I'm not sure he was a huge mark for himself as much as he just embellished the idea of what his character was intended to be in his mind. Just from the stuff I read, it's like he was told by management that he's going to be this unstoppable beast and he said "well, if I'm supposed to be an unstoppable beast, how the gently caress could you stop me." The only time I've read about Goldberg really coming across like a huge dickhead was in Jericho's book.
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TL posted:They were filmed when he was in WWE. Really? Because every time they aired a Bischoff or a Hogan segment, they would put a date in the corner for when it was taken(because they both refused to be apart of it, as with the Scott Hall segments). There were no dates placed in the Goldberg segments so I just assumed they were recent.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I think he just really didn't understand. I'm not sure he was a huge mark for himself as much as he just embellished the idea of what his character was intended to be in his mind. There's that story about him and Triple H at a trade Expo or something, and Goldberg (who was in WCW at the time) went up and challenged Tripe H, who just laughed at him. I think Goldberg just has different priorities and understandings of wrestling than most people. He's right, as well. Raven was trying to teach him something that he never needed to know. He was supposed to shrug stuff off and smash things, not be wounded.
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ColeM posted:Really? Because every time they aired a Bischoff or a Hogan segment, they would put a date in the corner for when it was taken(because they both refused to be apart of it, as with the Scott Hall segments). There were no dates placed in the Goldberg segments so I just assumed they were recent. They were recent, you're right. I always heard Goldberg was a prima donna and was a mark for himself but on the WCW DVD he really seems to just have a different perspective from everyone else. Like with David Arquette, everyone hates the idea and says it was the worst thing ever, but Goldberg seems to be in favor of it saying it draws attention and it's a fake title anyway so who cares? There's also another part of the DVD where he says nothing lasts forever so it makes no difference who gets the belt as long as it is good for business and gets people talking. So I guess either time away from wrestling has mellowed Goldberg out about it or, unlike the guys who were raised in it and make wrestling their entire life and therefore take it personally, Goldberg sees it more as just a business and no reason to take it all so personally because its all "fake." Of course, that still doesn't excuse any attitude he had as the champ as an active wrestler.
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Von Linus posted:There's that story about him and Triple H at a trade Expo or something, and Goldberg (who was in WCW at the time) went up and challenged Tripe H, who just laughed at him. Which is why I didn't really side with Regal, either, although that was just as much Regal misunderstanding what it meant to give Goldberg a "good match." Goldberg was a mark for his character to some extent, but in the context of not being very flexible in his wrestling style, blame the writers. Edit: Goldberg's weird because it seems like he took himself very seriously and yet rarely took the business seriously, which is an odd viewpoint to hold.
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I dunno in a buisiness that has the history of pro wrestling looking out for yourself and treating the rest of it like a job you are distanced from seems kinda sensible.
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FishBulb posted:I dunno in a buisiness that has the history of pro wrestling looking out for yourself and treating the rest of it like a job you are distanced from seems kinda sensible. I guess it just seems odd to me and seems like a recipe for head-imploding cognitive dissonance for you to not take your job seriously, but take your "character," that only exists at your job very seriously. I get what you mean, and it makes sense, but I guess I'm the one with the cognitive dissonance.
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I'm not saying I agree with him or, that I would act like that but "Goldberg" being an invincible monster probably makes Bill Goldberg more money than the other options and he has no further attachment to wrestling so there you go.
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Von Linus posted:There's that story about him and Triple H at a trade Expo or something, and Goldberg (who was in WCW at the time) went up and challenged Tripe H, who just laughed at him. The version of the story I had heard was that Triple H had made some comments about Goldberg in an interview or something, and their confrontation at a convention was about that. Still probably dumb and a case of a guy taking himself too seriously, but a little more understandable than the way some people tell it like Goldberg came out and cut a promo on Triple H. Also, his opinion may not be worth much around here, but I remember Bret Hart saying it was kind of unfortunate that Goldberg ended his career because Goldberg was actually a really nice guy. It always stuck in my mind that he still had something nice to say about Goldberg since Bret seems to hold a grudge against anyone and everyone. And for what it's worth, I'm in the "Goldberg didn't need to be told how to sell" camp. Granted, his act probably would have gotten old sooner rather than later, but he was basically the Ultimate Warrior of the Attitude era. He was supposed to come out, steamroll guys in 5 minutes, and look unstoppable doing it.
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Kentucky Shark posted:The version of the story I had heard was that Triple H had made some comments about Goldberg in an interview or something, and their confrontation at a convention was about that. Still probably dumb and a case of a guy taking himself too seriously, but a little more understandable than the way some people tell it like Goldberg came out and cut a promo on Triple H. Also, his opinion may not be worth much around here, but I remember Bret Hart saying it was kind of unfortunate that Goldberg ended his career because Goldberg was actually a really nice guy. It always stuck in my mind that he still had something nice to say about Goldberg since Bret seems to hold a grudge against anyone and everyone. It's all second-hand info, but the way I heard it was that HHH made some comments about Goldberg's character, angle, style, etc. and it was more bashing WCW through Goldberg than Goldberg himself, but Goldberg came up to HHH and nearly cut an in-character promo on him. It wouldn't surprise me if Goldberg thought he was supposed to do that, not because he's dumb, but because he thought HHH was in character to and that's "just what wrestlers do." As far Goldberg being a decent guy, I've heard the same. I think the Jericho thing was the result of Goldberg having a perspective on wrestling that was a little off from the norm, so when anyone said something that set Goldberg off, they didn't understand why and chalked it up to "Goldberg's an rear end in a top hat." The scuffle with Jericho was his fault, though.
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Goldberg wasn't really a wrestling fan. So his actions are from a completely different perspective than anyone else. In his book, written shortly before the InVasion, he seems reticent to turn heel but knows that "the writers generally know what they're doing." He reiterates, however, that the crowd really loves cheering him.
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I stand before you, Wrestlehut brethren, in shame. In Target this afternoon, my son asked for John Cena pajamas. And I bought them. I feel dirty.
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CrankyProf posted:I stand before you, Wrestlehut brethren, in shame. *CRAPADO* "Daddy, I made fart juice in my pants." CrankyProf: 
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CrankyProf posted:I stand before you, Wrestlehut brethren, in shame. You bought your son something he loves. That sounds like good parenting to me.
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