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Yeah, that. Not saying Hardy should hate Edge, but Edge did get the push of his life from an angle based off of a real-life indiscretion between the two, which also ended up with Hardy getting fired. Knowing Hardy, you'd think he'd be keeping a firing range on his property where he just shoots at cardboard cutouts of Edge.
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Edge probably knows a guy that sells really good drugs. Not Jeff, another guy.
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Dec 5, 2009 21:48
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CM Junk posted:Yeah, that. Not saying Hardy should hate Edge, but Edge did get the push of his life from an angle based off of a real-life indiscretion between the two, which also ended up with Hardy getting fired. Knowing Hardy, you'd think he'd be keeping a firing range on his property where he just shoots at cardboard cutouts of Edge. Edge got the push of his life because he is one of the best wrestelers and promos in the business today and hs more charisma than Matt will ever have. Even Matt has to recognize that. If this ready-made angle hadn't dropped in the writers' laps it just would have taken longer for something to get booked.
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Dec 5, 2009 21:57
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Oh no, I agree 100%. I'm just saying that Matt is such a petty self-mark that I'm amazed he didn't take the angle more personally.
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Dec 5, 2009 22:00
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WeaselWeaz posted:Edge got the push of his life because he is one of the best wrestelers and promos in the business today and hs more charisma than Matt will ever have. Even Matt has to recognize that. If this ready-made angle hadn't dropped in the writers' laps it just would have taken longer for something to get booked. If it was anyone else with the same kind of talent, I'd agree. But this was Edge. The guy who at the time was the definition of 'failed push' (definition has since been filled by Mr. Kennedy). They'd been pushing him since 2002 and gotten nowhere. The Lita angle probably saved Edge's career.
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Dec 5, 2009 22:09
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WeaselWeaz posted:Edge got the push of his life because he is one of the best wrestelers and promos in the business today and hs more charisma than Matt will ever have. Even Matt has to recognize that. If this ready-made angle hadn't dropped in the writers' laps it just would have taken longer for something to get booked. I'm not say any of this is untrue, but regardless, Matt is over as hell, and I can't make sense of how he's not had a serious crack at one of the big titles when Jeff, who I've always thought of as the inferior brother, has.
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Dec 5, 2009 22:16
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BizarroAzrael posted:I'm not say any of this is untrue, but regardless, Matt is over as hell, and I can't make sense of how he's not had a serious crack at one of the big titles when Jeff, who I've always thought of as the inferior brother, has. Its probably because you are the only person on planet Earth that thinks Jeff is the inferior brother.
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Dec 5, 2009 22:21
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Atticus Finch posted:Matt Hardy.  Point taken.Still, I'd imagine someone, anyone, sat Matt down and pointed out that working one angle with Edge and maybe having to see him at bars/clubs after shows isn't so torturous as to jeopardize his job.
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Dec 5, 2009 23:19
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FishBulb posted:Its probably because you are the only person on planet Earth that thinks Jeff is the inferior brother. I'm sorry, I forgot how the only measure of wrestling ability is jumping off things.
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Dec 5, 2009 23:56
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BizarroAzrael posted:I'm sorry, I forgot how the only measure of wrestling ability is jumping off things. I don't even like either of the Hardyz, but even I can't deny that Jeff has a better connection with the fans (which is undefinable and yet invaluable), a better look and a style more likely to catch eyes. Matt's not terrible, but to say that Jeff isn't the superior of the two ("superior" defined as the WWE and any other business define it) is stupid.
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Dec 6, 2009 00:09
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Samoa Joe on twitter referred to Umaga as 'big Uso'. John Morrison called him 'big Uce'. What's the story behind this?
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A bunch of WWE guys referred to him as Uce in remembrance in their Twitters yesterday. I guess it was his nickname, but I don't know the origin.
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Dec 6, 2009 00:39
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Free Market Gravy posted:I don't even like either of the Hardyz, but even I can't deny that Jeff has a better connection with the fans (which is undefinable and yet invaluable), a better look and a style more likely to catch eyes. But the fans are hypocrites and sycophants. Anyway, I thought that Jeff looked like an idiot meth-head in stupid facepaint. And I don't think it was a coincidence. And his style seems to me to mostly be the swanton and jumping into the area around an opponent which seems to cause them to fall down, really limited and often looks lousy to me. I know it's not saying much but Matt's a better talker, you can actually get a good segment out of him sometimes like with MVP. He's much more reliable and has one of the more varied movesets on the roster. And Jeff's gimmick bothered me because he tried to put himself across as artistic and creative when he's in much the same gettup and doing the same matches that he was ten years ago. Matt actually changed and developed, a bit at least, Jeff stayed pretty much the same.
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Dec 6, 2009 01:00
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Meat Recital posted:Samoa Joe on twitter referred to Umaga as 'big Uso'. John Morrison called him 'big Uce'. What's the story behind this? Uso is like Brother. He was like a brother to all of them. The Uce ones are just spelling it how it sounds I guess.
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Dec 6, 2009 01:03
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BizarroAzrael posted:I'm sorry, I forgot how the only measure of wrestling ability is jumping off things. Matt Hardy: Worthless wrestler, bad promo, (probably) a druggie. Jeff Hardy: Worthless wrestler, bad promo, a druggie, jumps off high stuff. We have a winner.
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Dec 6, 2009 01:35
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Regarding Mike Knox and Wrestlehut: When you goons go 'lol bear' at him, are you referring to the grizzly/ polar sort? Or the big hairy gay man sort?
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Exasperated Badger posted:Regarding Mike Knox and Wrestlehut: Thats why its funny.
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With Geocities biting it, the list of Meltzer's top star ratings for WWF/WCW/etc. matches are gone. Does anyone have a copy of that, or a link to another source?
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Dec 6, 2009 02:59
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Goldberg's jackhammer finisher must be one of the most protected finishers of the last 10 years. All of the biggest finishers always had someone kick out, but I can't remember anyone kicking out of the Jackhammer. Ever. Note: This does not apply to TNA, as no-one watches TNA.
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Dec 6, 2009 03:42
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I think 3d is more protected
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Yes, both very good examples and ones I overlooked. My mistake.
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Sionistic posted:I think 3d is more protected sylvain grenier
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oldpainless posted:Goldberg's jackhammer finisher must be one of the most protected finishers of the last 10 years. All of the biggest finishers always had someone kick out, but I can't remember anyone kicking out of the Jackhammer. Ever. It got kicked out of a few times when Malenko used it, but that was before Goldberg.
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Dec 6, 2009 05:33
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tzirean posted:It got kicked out of a few times when Malenko used it, but that was before Goldberg. Yeah, I knew Malenko used it before. It was just Goldberg's version that ended every match. It's the same way Billy Gunn busted out the jackhammer a few times, but I don't think he ever established it as a real finisher like Goldberg did.
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Dec 6, 2009 05:39
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According to WWE Kids Magazine, Randy Orton is the year's "Biggest Buttbrain!" Agree or disagree? Me, I feel that it was Mark Henry rapping or guest host Verne Troyer. What a buttbrain!
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Dec 6, 2009 05:43
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CM Junk posted:Yeah, that. Not saying Hardy should hate Edge, but Edge did get the push of his life from an angle based off of a real-life indiscretion between the two, which also ended up with Hardy getting fired. Knowing Hardy, you'd think he'd be keeping a firing range on his property where he just shoots at cardboard cutouts of Edge. Can you elaborate on this? Apparently I was on wrestling hiatus when this happened.
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Shitty_Wok posted:Can you elaborate on this? Apparently I was on wrestling hiatus when this happened. lita cheated on matt with edge, matt got pissy and blogged about it, got fired. then they rehired hardy due to vocal fan response and made an angle about it.
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dusty udder smoker posted:lita cheated on matt with edge, matt got pissy and blogged about it, got fired. then they made an angle about it. Oh. Ohhhhhh. Yikes. Alright, thank you. It's always a woman... Edit: Also, that was kind of a pussy move on Matt's part, blogging about that. Who does that? Handle it privately.
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Dec 6, 2009 05:56
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Shitty_Wok posted:Edit: Also, that was kind of a pussy move on Matt's part, blogging about that. Who does that? Handle it privately. Oh you haven't seen anything yet: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x334uj_matt-hardy-reenacts-his-breakup-wit_shortfilms
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FishBulb posted:Its probably because you are the only person on planet Earth that thinks Jeff is the inferior brother. Amazing how things change in 7 years: Matt Hardy was massively over during "Version 1.0" gimmick, while Jeff was a living botch. Flash forward a few years later, and sentiment completely flipped. And I feel strongly Edge's 2002 face run gets crapped on too much-he was hugely over as a face on SmackDown in 2002, and I strongly believe if it wasn't for his neck injury he'd have won the WWE Title at some point in 2003.
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Ziggy Tsardust posted:Oh you haven't seen anything yet: Jesus. loving. Christ. I mean wow. Did WWE give a standard "future endeavors" like they did for everyone else who got released or was there more detail as to why he got booted?
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Shitty_Wok posted:Jesus. loving. Christ. standard release message, with the "official" reason being budget cuts.
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This was during the Lita/Kane/Snitsky storyline, then Lita started getting chants and boos at her. "You screwed Matt" and whatnot. She eventually turned on Kane and got with Edge just after WM21. They had a wedding, and they teased Hardy coming out when they did the "Does anyone have any objections to this?" It was a loving gigantic pop. Then the ring gave birth to Kane. Later, Hardy did a few run-ins out of the crowd, and the cameras looked away and the announcers didn't really talk about it. Hardy got to yell out "RING OF HONOR! RING OF HONOR!" a few times, and a few weeks later, McMahon came out, said he rehired him, and Matt Hardy gave a horrible horrible promo.
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Capsaicin posted:This was during the Lita/Kane/Snitsky storyline, then Lita started getting chants and boos at her. "You screwed Matt" and whatnot. She eventually turned on Kane and got with Edge just after WM21. They had a wedding, and they teased Hardy coming out when they did the "Does anyone have any objections to this?" It was a loving gigantic pop. Then the ring gave birth to Kane. God I love/hate wrestling... Thanks for answering my questions. I was really into wrestling until about 2001, me and my grandmother used to watch it all the time but after she passed I sorta lost interest, and didn't get back into it until this years Rumble, meaning I'm about 8 years behind on what's happened.
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Dancing Peasant posted:I just assume that America calls it a "clothesline", while Japan calls it a "LAAARIATOOO~~". Oh, how I love Japanese commentary. On the Matt vs Jeff debate, keep in mind that during their time off from the WWE, jeff went to TNA, and was booed out of ROH. Matt left ROH, with, I believe a "please don't go" chant. Wazzu fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Dec 6, 2009 |
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Wazzu posted:Oh, how I love Japanese commentary. actually it was to a "you sold out" chant and he had a lot of detractors after he appeared on WWE after the initial run in
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oldpainless posted:Goldberg's jackhammer finisher must be one of the most protected finishers of the last 10 years. All of the biggest finishers always had someone kick out, but I can't remember anyone kicking out of the Jackhammer. Ever.
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LividLiquid posted:Goldberg has never wrestled for TNA. What I meant was I dont watch TNA so there might be guys who have protected finishers, but I wouldn't be aware of them.
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