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scuz posted:In that case, cut all of your mids, noooo  If you want to be like most metal bass players, and have a sound completely indistinguishable from the guitar, cut out all your mids. If you want to be heard distinctly, you'll need mids (and probably a bit of middy grit, like from an overdriven SVT or sansamp - not fuzz.)
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warwick5s posted:noooo 
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Dec 8, 2009 18:26
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Buh? If I cut my mids, I'll sound like Fieldy, but I'll also be indistinguishable from the guitars?
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Dec 8, 2009 18:45
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Why the gently caress would anyone want to sound like Fieldy?
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Dec 8, 2009 18:48
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Duck and burger posted:Buh? If I cut my mids, I'll sound like Fieldy, but I'll also be indistinguishable from the guitars? Scarf posted:Why the gently caress would anyone want to sound like Fieldy? 
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Dec 8, 2009 18:51
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I haven't really listened to or liked Korn since I was in, like, middle school, but what's wrong with Fieldy? I think he sounds pretty unique and distinguishable from the 7 stringers.
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Dec 8, 2009 18:56
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Duck and burger posted:I haven't really listened to or liked Korn since I was in, like, middle school, but what's wrong with Fieldy? I think he sounds pretty unique and distinguishable from the 7 stringers.
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Dec 8, 2009 19:00
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As a metal player myself, if you cut your mids you won't be heard in a band. You can be FELT, and that's what a lot of metal bassists do- and nothing wrong with that if that's your goal, but you need higher frequencies if you want to stand out. I myself have a very sharp attack and play fast with my right hand so I need the mids in order to be heard.
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Dec 8, 2009 19:20
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NarkyBark posted:As a metal player myself, if you cut your mids you won't be heard in a band. You can be FELT, and that's what a lot of metal bassists do- and nothing wrong with that if that's your goal, but you need higher frequencies if you want to stand out. I myself have a very sharp attack and play fast with my right hand so I need the mids in order to be heard. I somewhat disagree completely with the "felt" part. The low-mids are where it's all felt imo, other than say below 40hz when it's drat near impossible to hear anything anyway.
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Dec 8, 2009 19:25
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scuz posted:In my youth I thought Korn was pretty neat and owned all of their albums (they're all gone now yay). The only bass sounds I remember hearing were the "clack clack clack" of the strings hitting the pickups and frets, not actual notes. Haha, well, that's a bit harsh! I like the clack, but a more full-spectrum sound might be nice, yes. Whatever I end up sitting with, I just don't wanna sound like And Justice for All.
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Dec 8, 2009 19:33
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I think these were posted in the humor thread before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b9lWilo26I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvTWHkylZag
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Dec 8, 2009 19:49
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Duck and burger posted:Haha, well, that's a bit harsh! I like the clack, but a more full-spectrum sound might be nice, yes. Whatever I end up sitting with, I just don't wanna sound like And Justice for All. Okay, what this boils down to is that you haven't even played in a band setting as a bassist yet, correct? Try what you like and if it doesn't work, come back to us and say stuff like "yes, you're right I can't hear myself" or "gently caress you guys I sound fine." We can sit here and make fun of you all day, but if you like your sound, ain't none of us gon' change yo mind.  Scarf posted:I think these were posted in the humor thread before:
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Dec 8, 2009 19:52
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I feel like I'm in Guitar Center now.
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In other news, I just found out that no matter what I'm gonna do with regards to my cabinet situation, buying a new cabinet is very far down the road. That sort of allows me to put a larger price tag on whatever I decide to get, which is where you guys come in. The 800RB I have currently isn't going anywhere until it dies, and when it does, it will be quickly replaced by another 800RB. I love this amp and I love its tone. What I want are more speakers, and while the Avatar 2x12 I have is doing the trick at the moment, the 800RB definitely wants more drivers to move around. My sights had been set originally on a 6 or 8x10 cabinet, but it wasn't a logistical possibility, mostly due to weight. Then I thought "oh hey I'll just build one" but that didn't really turn out to be as cost-effective as I would have liked. Now I'm looking again at the 6 or 8x10 option because this purchase is so far down the road (talking months, maybe a year) and my ability to transport something that large will more than likely have changed for the better. I'm not ruling out a 4x12 either, largely due to warwick5s's rousing endorsement. Money is no concern, nor is size. The genres that I play (or will be playing) are going to be rock-like, maybe punk, maybe some folksy stuff for good measure, but definitely rock. Sorry to ask such a nebulous question, but I've been kicking it around for literally months now and am getting tired of my own indecision. 
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scuz posted:Can't find a decent version on YouTube so I dunno what the bass sounds like on that song. it sounds completely pushed out of the mix. quote:Okay, what this boils down to is that you haven't even played in a band setting as a bassist yet, correct? Try what you like and if it doesn't work, come back to us and say stuff like "yes, you're right I can't hear myself" or "gently caress you guys I sound fine." We can sit here and make fun of you all day, but if you like your sound, ain't none of us gon' change yo mind. Haha, they clearly don't give a gently caress, wow. Also that's a solo in only the most literal definition. 
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Dec 8, 2009 20:12
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The most cost effective seems to be buying used on CL, there's tons of decent 4x10 cabs listed around $200 where I live.
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Duck and burger posted:it sounds completely pushed out of the mix. A MIRACLE posted:The most cost effective seems to be buying used on CL, there's tons of decent 4x10 cabs listed around $200 where I live. 
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SWR Triad is one of the worst cabs I've ever played through (and unfortunately I owned it for a while.) Sounds pretty nice at low volume but completely shits out when you put power into it. I melted both speakers in it twice. Sucks. As for your Avatar - why not just buy the speakers to convert your 4ohm cab into an 8ohm and sell the speakers on TB?
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warwick5s posted:SWR Triad is one of the worst cabs I've ever played through (and unfortunately I owned it for a while.) Sounds pretty nice at low volume but completely shits out when you put power into it. I melted both speakers in it twice. Sucks. I emailed Dave at Avatar regarding converting this 4-ohm to an 8-ohm and he said I couldn't do it because the speakers he has in there are 2-ohm or something like that. How much does THAT suck? I think it sucks a lot. The speakers that Dave loads up are custom Eminence DeltaLites so I might be able to cajole him into selling me the replacement drivers, otherwise I'll probably just sell this one off and buy two new B212Ns in different colors  As much as I like rat fur and expanded metal grills (not at all) I greatly prefer grill cloth.Edit: Just looked at the price for two B212Ns with tolex and grill cloth and it's around the price of the Aguilar GS412, so probably just gonna swap out these drivers and get another B212N if that's the best route versus a 6/8x10. scuz fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Dec 8, 2009 |
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Dec 8, 2009 21:11
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Scarf posted:I think these were posted in the humor thread before: That's very inspiring because no matter how bad I am at bass, I know I will never sound like that.
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Dec 8, 2009 21:24
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The first one would sound a lot better if he EQ'd his bass differently. The second one sounds like something I made up a month after my mom bought me a Squier P-bass in junior high
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is there a way to get a dirty kind of jesus lizard/nomeansno sound out of a sansamp programmable BDDI? i got it as a gift and while its very cool i don't have any instructions or idea with how to hone in on a sound.
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Dec 8, 2009 21:33
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STINKFACE posted:is there a way to get a dirty kind of jesus lizard/nomeansno sound out of a sansamp programmable BDDI? i got it as a gift and while its very cool i don't have any instructions or idea with how to hone in on a sound.
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scuz posted:What have you tried so far? Also you should be using a pick if you're going for nomeansno. Anyway, Rob Wright's sound is all mids, overdrive, p-bass and pick. But since I don't see a "high mids" or indeed any mids knobs on the BDDI, you have to use your amp get around that. Just keep the eq on the pedal set to noon and boost the high-mids on your amp. I haven't listened to Jesus Lizard so I have no idea. Here's a quick vid (well not quick but the bass comes in immediately): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW8UUKqQGO4 It's still overdriven and picked but David Wm. Sims uses a Jazz bass (or a Jazz copy) and a RAT pedal. Also the Ampeg SVT but that's not really applicable here...
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What's a good starting point if I have access to a full woodshop and want to make my own custom bass? I haven't drawn up a design yet, but my favorite bass is a tie between the Rickenbacker 4003 and the Fender jaguar, so I'll probably build something that looks kind of like that
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Scarf posted:I think these were posted in the humor thread before: I am so angry that this talentless rear end in a top hat is making his living off music, and I'm not.
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Harvest Goon posted:Here's a quick vid (well not quick but the bass comes in immediately): A MIRACLE posted:What's a good starting point if I have access to a full woodshop and want to make my own custom bass? I haven't drawn up a design yet, but my favorite bass is a tie between the Rickenbacker 4003 and the Fender jaguar, so I'll probably build something that looks kind of like that
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I want to do a neck-through body but I'm still figuring out the details on the truss rod. Is there typically a truss-rod on a neck-through configuration?
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A MIRACLE posted:I want to do a neck-through body but I'm still figuring out the details on the truss rod. Is there typically a truss-rod on a neck-through configuration?
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That clears up quite a bit about the truss rod, and doesn't sound tough, especially with my amateur-carpenter father helping. I'll post some sketches when I get an idea for the design. I want it for mostly rock bass playing and I think I'm going with a single passive Seymour Duncan QP. Is Warmoth a reputable parts retailer?
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A MIRACLE posted:That clears up quite a bit about the truss rod, and doesn't sound tough, especially with my amateur-carpenter father helping. I'll post some sketches when I get an idea for the design. I want it for mostly rock bass playing and I think I'm going with a single passive Seymour Duncan QP. Is Warmoth a reputable parts retailer?
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You should check out the luthier/builders forum over on Talkbass. http://www.talkbass.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=57
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I feel like after I watched those korn videos (and many of you did also) we need to lift our spirits. So I present to you, a Flea and John solo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v3t4AK8FmQ this is so beautiful. my god. The riff at 1:45 is like classical bass thumping, anybody know where that riff comes from?
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Bass solos have never appealed to me. One of the reasons I began playing bass (and maybe the biggest one) is so I wouldn't have to worry about the spotlight, so while I respect their skills, I don't aspire to anything like that.
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i always thought fugazi had some really incredible bass, on their last album in particular. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNcAzfGFsk8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA8a2BwGlYU the fugazi rhythm section is on a whole different plane, though
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scuz posted:Bass solos have never appealed to me. One of the reasons I began playing bass (and maybe the biggest one) is so I wouldn't have to worry about the spotlight, so while I respect their skills, I don't aspire to anything like that. I've always appreciated the foundational feeling. There's some really good solo bass stuff out there, but moving firmly up to guitar range doesn't exploit the most unique power of the instrument.. I settled on a boosted low-mids, boosted treble dual-tone, btw! The line6 Sub Dub tone has fantastic clarity in the sub-contra.
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Does anyone have any opinions on acoustic bass guitars? I'm just thinking of getting into bass, after having played guitar for a couple years and enjoying it. For whatever reason, my preference is acoustic guitars versus electric, even though I'm not hugely into folk music. I guess I just hate dealing with amps and cables and whatnot. Is there anything "wrong" with acoustic bass guitars? This is just something that I want to start learning bass with, jam with my dad and generally get a feel for the instrument. I've seen YouTube videos of acoustic basses and they seem plenty loud... I guess what I'm asking is, is there some huge pitfall to acoustic bass guitars that I'm not seeing? If I stick with it, and I'm thinking I will, I would definitely not be averse to purchasing a good Jazz or Precision down the line. Reaganomicon fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Dec 9, 2009 |
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edit: Dave got back to me; two 12" drivers will be $195 + $12 shipping. Now the problem is who's gonna buy these OTHER drivers? Maybe I can make a couple monitors or something, I dunno.Reaganomicon posted:Does anyone have any opinions on acoustic bass guitars? I'm just thinking of getting into bass, after having played guitar for a couple years and enjoying it. The general grievance with acoustic basses is that while they're sorta loud on their own, they can't compete with acoustic guitars without any kind of amplification. The only acoustic bass that I really have any experience with is the Tacoma Thunderchief (which is being discontinued IIRC) and it was way too big to be comfortable for me (I'm 6'7" for referrence) and the other people in the acoustic room playing guitars were drowning me out from half-way across the room. Why do you hate dealing with amps? Reliability issues? Bulk? scuz fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Dec 9, 2009 |
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I'm by no means an expert on the subject, but I tried out a friend's Alvarez acoustic-electric bass the other day and was overall pretty pleased with it. Scuz is right, you're going to be drowned out by an acoustic guitar without some form of amplification, but I had no problems with its size. It's a really solid instrument on it's own right, if I had the money to throw around I'd pick one up for my collection. It's decently loud if you slap or use a pick.
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I own an acoustic bass that I bought off of Craigslist for $100, and it is basically for practicing by myself, and coming up with new basslines. It's an acoustic electric, so if I wanted to gig or practice with my band with it I could, but I prefer my electric. As for playing with another acoustic guitar, its kinda hard to hear. The lows just don't stand out as much as they should, and thats what a bass is meant for. Though when I start popping and slapping in an acoustic session, that is when I am heard. But as soon as I go back to fingerstyle, I am back down to barely can be heard. Its fun to mess around with but don't make it your main bass.. I'd say go for it.
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