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Free Market Gravy posted:I don't know about that. Holly was never the subject of good booking (minus the Holly Family, which was pretty hilarious), but he lasted pretty damned long. He's the shittier 90s equivalent of what Finlay is now.
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Until Angle broke his arm with that moonsault Holly was pretty drat hot and it was maybe his best period as a singles wrestler. Holly family rocked, especially during the superheavy weight phase. Nothing will top him calling Gangrel Dracula, then calling him a fat bastard and for him to get on the scales.
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Fun Fact - At one point, Jim Cornette pegged Bob Holly as the guy to carry SMW.
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CM Junk posted:To Holly's (and WWE's) credit, as silly as it was to have him compete with Lesnar for the WWE title, 13-year-old me took him pretty seriously and thought he made a pretty credible run at the title. ........jesus you make me feel old.
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Fun Fact - At one point, Jim Cornette pegged Bob Holly How I originally read the post.
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Moose Bigelow posted:How I originally read the post. That would be his previous gimmick - Banana Bob Holly.
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Moose Bigelow posted:How I originally read the post.
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LividLiquid posted:Were he to join the company now in his prime, he wouldn't last nearly as long. He just happened to join when the worst booker in history was having his only good ideas. Assuming we're talking about Russo here, Holly was in the WWF well before Russo started booking.
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Kentucky Shark posted:Assuming we're talking about Russo here, Holly was in the WWF well before Russo started booking. Still, I really can't see him joining the company now in his prime and going anywhere. Maybe they'd pay him to sit at home so he wouldn't go to TNA like Charlie Haas.
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dusty udder smoker posted:........jesus you make me feel old. Thank God I'm not the only person who had the same reaction.
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I realise I'm probably missing a really obvious example here and setting myself to look like a cock (even more than usual), but has anyone ever done a "countering a spear into a DDT" spot before? For some reason it popped into my head earlier today and it seems like such an obvious move...
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Look at you scrubs praising Bob Holly. What's next? "Ludwig Borga was incredibly under-rated and had all the tools to succeed at a national level".
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apsouthern posted:I realise I'm probably missing a really obvious example here and setting myself to look like a cock (even more than usual), but has anyone ever done a "countering a spear into a DDT" spot before? For some reason it popped into my head earlier today and it seems like such an obvious move... Jericho countered one into a front facelock -- but that was a shoot
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Rusty Shackelford posted:That would be his previous gimmick - Butt Plugg.
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How do you work the indy-favorite: The Double Stomp? Even if you pull it, you're still jumping on a dude with both feet.
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apsouthern posted:I realise I'm probably missing a really obvious example here and setting myself to look like a cock (even more than usual), but has anyone ever done a "countering a spear into a DDT" spot before? For some reason it popped into my head earlier today and it seems like such an obvious move... I think the issue with a spot like that is that it's hard to make it visually clear that it was a DDT counter and not just a spear that knocked the attacker out for some reason. The only way to alleviate that is to slow the whole sequence down, but a slowed-down spear would look silly.
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quote:That's exactly what I mean. I'm trying to build a sense, in my head, of how these various segments are put together I have no idea where to look for videos, but Jodie Fleish and Jonny Storm often do a routine match, which is completely devoid of any sort of flow or structure. They did the exact same match every week in the UK, and then did a toned-down version at some american indie tournament (I think it was CZW). Some of the versions done in the UK probably highlight it better, but the match is basicaly the "Shine" segment of a cruiserweight match, extended to something like 15 minutes, without a single piece of drama, psychology, or booking logic. There's no face and no heel, they just go "spot-spot-spot-spot-spot-spot-spot", flip around all over the place, and kick out of everything before a 1-count. It's probably the best example of what makes a great match, because it's completely devoid of all those things, and while it's impressive, you really start to see what it's lacking.
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Carlton Banks posted:Just think, in 2017 when he looks like a white Abdullah the Butcher, we will look back at how great he looked in 2009 on the Hulkamania tour Yep, he started and ended his career looking like Dusty Rhodes.
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dusty udder smoker posted:........jesus you make me feel old. To be totally fair, I turned 14 a month later.
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LividLiquid posted:The way you originally read that post scares me for many reasons, chief among them that "pegging" implies he used a strap-on dong and not his own. Tennis racket.
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CM Junk posted:To be totally fair, I turned 14 a month later. And here I was thinking I was a baby in this forum at 25.
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Neodoomium posted:How do you work the indy-favorite: The Double Stomp? Even if you pull it, you're still jumping on a dude with both feet. I have yet to figure that one out myself. Free Market Gravy posted:I think the issue with a spot like that is that it's hard to make it visually clear that it was a DDT counter and not just a spear that knocked the attacker out for some reason. You could do it quite easily in a match with a big guy vs. a smaller guy. The smaller guy does the spear, but fails to knock the big guy down. Big guy applies front facelock, clubs the small guy in the back, and DDTs. Otherwise, nothin'. And thanks, Tyma. I got a video of some match between them, and although it's edited, I see what you mean.
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battlemonk posted:You could do it quite easily in a match with a big guy vs. a smaller guy. The smaller guy does the spear, but fails to knock the big guy down. Big guy applies front facelock, clubs the small guy in the back, and DDTs. Could always have the guy doing the spear flip over like when Taker DDTs Big Show.
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Burrito posted:Could always have the guy doing the spear flip over like when Taker DDTs Big Show. Also true, though again it's hard to make it look like more than a REALLY POWERFUL SPEAR~!
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apsouthern posted:I realise I'm probably missing a really obvious example here and setting myself to look like a cock (even more than usual), but has anyone ever done a "countering a spear into a DDT" spot before? For some reason it popped into my head earlier today and it seems like such an obvious move... Neodoomium posted:How do you work the indy-favorite: The Double Stomp? Even if you pull it, you're still jumping on a dude with both feet. [/quote] rotinaj posted:Tennis racket. 
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LividLiquid posted:In some cases, you extend your feet to stomp, then retract them and roll, which has about as much impact as a standard wrestling kick. In other cases, indy douchebags actually go through with the move and much like nutting yourself on the ropes, there isn't any blocking it. But how do you do this: 
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Lowki did it on FCW to some guy, he loving PLANTED the guy. Landed straight on the guy's chest and did not roll out of it, he stayed on the chest for a good second. I really dont know how they are doing it. It looks like they are just taking the move since lowki is skinny as poo poo. As for the nut shot, Japanese people are loving crazy.
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dusty udder smoker posted:........jesus you make me feel old.   drat whippersnappers.
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MassRayPer posted:One of the most better later examples of Kings Road: Misawa vs Kobashi from January of 1997: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9FNCKVD6 The second announcer in this one sounds like Japanese André the Giant.
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battlemonk posted:The second announcer in this one sounds like Japanese André the Giant. Without watching it, I'm assuming this is Giant Baba who was.... Japanese André the Giant!
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Jerusalem posted:Without watching it, I'm assuming this is Giant Baba who was.... Japanese André the Giant! it was the last match baba watched iirc
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dusty udder smoker posted:it was the last match baba watched iirc Nope. This was in 1997, evidently, and the last one he watched was 2 years later.
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This video right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5eZFihFGS4 Was this a work or a shoot? I'm a little confused about it. I'm mostly positive it's worked largely because of Hall puking on the camera/Bischoff, but the execution seems weird to me. All the guys coming out and talking to him and stuff, and later on it seems they don't continue with the event past the commercial break. Mostly my question stems from the fact that it seems really low to make an angle about this when it was probably becoming noticeable that Hall's (and Nash's) drinking was, in fact, becoming a problem.
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crankdatbatman posted:This video right here: It was a work.
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Everything is a work.
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ultimateforce posted:Everything is a work. Excpet what you're seeing right now! /Russo
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TL posted:But how do you do this: I know this because I did somethings... on the last DDT tour... I'm not proud of.
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Korak posted:Dino can tuck his balls into his rear end so that they're safe from bumps. Story now.
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Besides the WWE and the NWA, are there any of the old territory promotions still in bussiness today in one form or another?
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