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Pneub posted:FCW has been around since the 1961. wrong FCW. The old one was actually Championship Wrestling from Florida. The WWE version is a completely new entity made only about 2 years ago.
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dusty udder smoker posted:wrong FCW. The old one was actually Championship Wrestling from Florida. The WWE version is a completely new entity made only about 2 years ago. It's not "technically" the exact same thing, but it looks like WWE has pretty much claimed the heritage for themselves. I can live with that I guess.
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I remember this theme for Bret Hart called "You Start the fire" being included on the "WWF: The Music Volume 2" and I was always confused because I knew that Hart only ever came out to his classic theme. I shrugged it off as a kid and never really tried to figure out why it was on the disc. Remembering it today, I did a search on youtube and found that it was used as the music in a video package: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT28F-oSTDQ For the life of me, I can't remember seeing this music video, so I'd like to know when it was aired and if it was used as part of an angle. Was it played when Bret was initially coming back after his injury in the 96-97 timeframe, back when he was still a babyface and hadn't started his matches with Austin? I'd just like to know why this video was produced.
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Tato posted:I remember this theme for Bret Hart called "You Start the fire" being included on the "WWF: The Music Volume 2" and I was always confused because I knew that Hart only ever came out to his classic theme. I shrugged it off as a kid and never really tried to figure out why it was on the disc. I think they used it for the montages they aired before WM12.
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Tato posted:For the life of me, I can't remember seeing this music video, so I'd like to know when it was aired and if it was used as part of an angle. Was it played when Bret was initially coming back after his injury in the 96-97 timeframe, back when he was still a babyface and hadn't started his matches with Austin? I'd just like to know why this video was produced. It was definetly when he was a babyface and 1996 sounds right. It wasn't for an angle, it was just a general video package and probably shown a bunch on Superstars.
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The worst WWF: The Music entry was from Vol. 2 where Sexy Boy was a carbon copy with entirely different singers
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My favorite wrestler is Kane, and I found a series of youtube vids about the story of Undertaker's secret, and how Paul Bearer threatened to reveal it, etc. It seems like a really elaborate build for the character, and I'm wondering what other wrestlers have had extended intros to their characters? The next closest thing I can think of is before Tazz was brought over, the room would glow orange and that went on for a couple weeks, but wasn't anywhere near as elaborate.
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BigRed0427 posted:Besides the WWE and the NWA, are there any of the old territory promotions still in bussiness today in one form or another? Memphis is probably the closest thing right now. There's a connection that can be made from Nick Gulas to Jerry Jarrett and Jerry Lawler to Cory Maclin, and Lawler was a consistant top star through all of it. Also, NWA was and is not a territory. It's an association in which territory promoters can become members. There are three levels of promoting: local, territory, and an organization. A local promoter is responsible for at least one town or city. They would often work for a territory. For example, Gorilla Monsoon, Arnold Skaaland, and James Dudley were all local promoters for the northeast WWWF territory. A territory promoter runs a specific area that includes multiple towns/cities. The northeast was promoted by the WWWF/WWF, with New York, Washington DC, and Philadelphia as the major arenas. There are two sub-levels of this, independent (indie) promoters and outlaw promoters. They're basically the same thing, a promoter who is not a member of an organization. The difference is that outlaws promoted against "official" territories and indie promoters didn't. The outlaw term is basically dead, since the NWA is impotent and irrelevent. A governing body or organization is a group of territories that work together under a recognized brand name. From the 1940s to the early 1980s the main organization was the National Wrestling Alliance. It was not a territory in itself, it did not promote any cities or areas, but the members used the NWA name and champion and agreed to work together to prevent competition in their territories. The WWE has never been an organization using this term, since it is a single company and territories could not be a member. When the WWWF left the NWA for a brief period it still promoted within it's territory and was simple independent from the NWA. Pneub posted:It's not "technically" the exact same thing, but it looks like WWE has pretty much claimed the heritage for themselves. I can live with that I guess. It's not factually the same thing. There's over twenty years between the death of Championship Wrestling and the beginning of developmental in Tampa. The only connection is WWE owns some tapes and has Dusty Rhodes running it. Captain Charisma posted:The worst WWF: The Music entry was from Vol. 2 where Sexy Boy was a carbon copy with entirely different singers Also, sleazy sax.
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Captain Charisma posted:The worst WWF: The Music entry was from Vol. 2 where Sexy Boy was a carbon copy with entirely different singers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVuwnOJ9Oro haha. Thank god that theme went unused. I love the breakdown in the middle with the saxophones. It sounds like an awful 80s porn soundtrack.
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Shitty_Wok posted:My favorite wrestler is Kane, and I found a series of youtube vids about the story of Undertaker's secret, and how Paul Bearer threatened to reveal it, etc. It seems like a really elaborate build for the character, and I'm wondering what other wrestlers have had extended intros to their characters? The next closest thing I can think of is before Tazz was brought over, the room would glow orange and that went on for a couple weeks, but wasn't anywhere near as elaborate. The first thing that comes to mind is Save Us Y2J
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When the WWE plays or releases footage of the Bret Hart hall of fame induction, how do they pretend that Chris Benoit wasn't sitting behind the podium the whole time?
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DannoMack posted:When the WWE plays or releases footage of the Bret Hart hall of fame induction, how do they pretend that Chris Benoit wasn't sitting behind the podium the whole time? Replace him with ECW Man.
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DannoMack posted:When the WWE plays or releases footage of the Bret Hart hall of fame induction, how do they pretend that Chris Benoit wasn't sitting behind the podium the whole time? Hornswoggle has been digitally placed over him, it's seamless.
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DannoMack posted:When the WWE plays or releases footage of the Bret Hart hall of fame induction, how do they pretend that Chris Benoit wasn't sitting behind the podium the whole time? He was really short so you can't see him.
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MassRayPer posted:He was really short so you can't see him. In before someone makes a really lovely Cena joke in response to this.
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RAPAAAAACM Junk posted:In before someone makes a really lovely Cena joke in response to this. Oh. Sorry.
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Tato posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVuwnOJ9Oro Is... Is that Vince?!
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Umbra Dubium posted:Is... Is that Vince?! What? It doesn't even sound like Vince [McMahon].
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Shitty_Wok posted:My favorite wrestler is Kane, and I found a series of youtube vids about the story of Undertaker's secret, and how Paul Bearer threatened to reveal it, etc. It seems like a really elaborate build for the character, and I'm wondering what other wrestlers have had extended intros to their characters? The next closest thing I can think of is before Tazz was brought over, the room would glow orange and that went on for a couple weeks, but wasn't anywhere near as elaborate. There was the countdown to the Millennium, and I guess a month's worth of Kizarny vignettes.
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I think we got a month or so of R-Truth videos before he showed up.
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Nathan Jones was pretty heavily hyped before he came in. But that turned out to be all for naught.
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La Resistance had those news broadcasts.
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ThatCguy posted:No mention of Glacier? I know! That's pretty cold blooded.
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Seven from WCW had a pretty elaborate setup before he actually debuted. I think Berlyn did as well. Would Sean O'Haire's promos in WWF count? There was a ton of buildup for him, but it all fizzled out and I think he wrestled one match before disappearing. EDIT: I wouldn't mind seeing this character (not necessarily O'Haire himself) square off against Punk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcYEq63CyeQ&feature=related
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He wrestled a few matches but was gone so quickly no-one remembers. If there was a "gets hastily re-signed for no reason in the future" pool, he would be near the top.
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Razor Ramon definitely had promos before debuting and I'm pretty sure Val Venis did as well.
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Bearnt! posted:Razor Ramon definitely had promos before debuting and I'm pretty sure Val Venis did as well. In the 80s and 90s it was pretty much standard practice for weeks of promos before a debut. Kofi had promos on ECW.
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FishBulb posted:In the 80s and 90s it was pretty much standard practice for weeks of promos before a debut. Punk had several weeks of promos before his ECW debut, as well.
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Can somebody tell me why Shane left his family's company?
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Ted DeBiase and Mr Perfect were both excellent - I loved Million Dollar Man offering a receptionist at a hospital 100 dollars for a band aid
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DannoMack posted:Can somebody tell me why Shane left his family's company? No one can say for sure, other than the fact that he's not going to TNA.
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DannoMack posted:Can somebody tell me why Shane left his family's company? I have no inside knowledge but probably because his dad wants to gently caress his sister.
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DannoMack posted:Can somebody tell me why Shane left his family's company? While there's been nothing official, I'm pretty sure it's because Steph and Trips are heirs apparent to run WWE, and Shane was going to be put in charge of media relations or some poo poo.
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DannoMack posted:Can somebody tell me why Shane left his family's company? One of the rumors was he was going to do something with MMA
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Shane is almost 40, is rich, and has pretty much gotten as high as he will ever get in the family company while his Dad is alive (and maybe even after he is cryogenically frozen), so maybe he just wanted to go out on his own and see what he could do? If it all goes tits up he can always go back to work for WWE, and if he can't for some reason, he's still rich, and even if he lost all his money somehow he's still family so money will always be there for him.
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DannoMack posted:Can somebody tell me why Shane left his family's company? Reports are that it's a combination of getting passed over to run the company, wanting to make it on his own, Vince took over the WWF at his age), and a blow-up that happened between him and Vince. The wanting to make it own is considered a major part of it. Shane had tried to get Vince to buy UFC and Pride and let him run those businesses, and Vince said no. Before ECW went bankrupt there were serious discussions for Vince to buy that company and let Shane run it, but Vince took WWE's accountants advice that it would be cheaper to let ECW declare bankrupcy and then buy it. He was originally supposed to run revivals of WCW and ECW as seperate entities, but each time Vince decided at the last minute to keep them in WWE (meaning him and Steph run them). The argument Vince and Shane had, and whatever they discussed, may have just been the straw that broke the camel's back. Hell, Raven says that back in the mid 90s when he was in the WWF as Johnny Polo, a producer, and Shane's friend that Shane thought him and Raven would be the Vince and Pat Patterson of their generation. It's also worth noting that there's a parallel between him and Vince here. At 37, Vince took over the WWF from his father. He could have kept it as a successful, but regional, promotion and been remembered as Junior, the son of one of the biggest promoters in the country. Instead, he decided to prove himself and be remembered for his own accomplishments. Shane isn't considered as driven as Vince was (partially because Vince is an obsessive workaholic), but there's a thought that at 39 he realizes he'll be remembered as Vince's son and, like Vince, wants to make his name. The other interpretation of this is that, if successful, he could come back to WWE respected and inherit the company. The MMA rumor is pretty vauge right now. All that's known is he's a fan of UFC (not MMA), and he met with Dana White and the Fertittas. Carl DiMarco, former head of WWE Canada and Shane's friend, also met with UFC but ended up working in the Canadian tech industry. The idea has been presented by some that Shane will either work for UFC helping with international expansion or buy into Strikeforce (he can't afford UFC), but it's unfounded gossip right now. The issue is discussed very well on a Wrestling Observer Radio interview with Paul Heyman, if you subscribe to the Observer/Figure Four. WeaselWeaz fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Dec 31, 2009 |
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CrankyProf posted:Punk had several weeks of promos before his ECW debut, as well. Wasnt it that shannon moore had a few weeks of promos, and then punk just suddenly showed up in one, called him a poser, and they had a match next week?
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