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Lovechop
Feb 1, 2005

cheers mate

Dorkopotamis posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXxEr5Aw5_0&feature=player_embedded

How does David Bazan's sidekick make them sounds on his guitar?

Yeah, it's just a POG and a bit of volume pedal use for the most of it.

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cuppy tea
Feb 6, 2009

by Cyrano4747
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy1IxY3tSZs

How do I get the sound at 0:09? I love it.

Das MicroKorg
Sep 18, 2005

Vintage Analog Synthesizer
This is an awesome thread! Thank you very much! I did all the Synth 1 tutorials from the first page and finally seem to get a grasp at the whole synthesizer thing. I've only just started to get into making music on the computer and the way you write your posts is really understandable for a newbie like me. :)

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

cuppy tea posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy1IxY3tSZs

How do I get the sound at 0:09? I love it.

Sampled strings. Usually those start off with a soft attack. Simply hold the chord (A-C-D-F) it for a while and cut off the front so it blasts directly at full volume (you could use a software sampler for this).

Then, layer it with a bandpassed noise sound (or pitched-up snare drum), whatever works. Add generous compression and a long, airy reverb at 15-20% wet.

cuppy tea
Feb 6, 2009

by Cyrano4747

Yoozer posted:

Sampled strings. Usually those start off with a soft attack. Simply hold the chord (A-C-D-F) it for a while and cut off the front so it blasts directly at full volume (you could use a software sampler for this).

Then, layer it with a bandpassed noise sound (or pitched-up snare drum), whatever works. Add generous compression and a long, airy reverb at 15-20% wet.



I kind of got the sound... thanks a lot!

JukeboxHerostratus
Nov 25, 2009

cuppy tea posted:



I kind of got the sound... thanks a lot!

I like yours better than the one they did, good job!

The Ace
Oct 28, 2003
Always got an ace up my sleeve
I'm trying to recreate a country/western type of sound from my guitar using a digitech RP90 sound processor, but I haven't had any luck so far.

Best example I can think of is The Beatles - Get Back.

John's guitar at 0:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOATAW-ZqE

Popcorn
May 25, 2004

You're both fuckin' banned!
Really an outstanding thread.

This is a pretty lame song, but I the brief guitar solo at 3:55 really caught my ear. Anyone want to take a guess at what sort of effects are used there?

im a girl btw
Jan 15, 2004

Audacity doesn't want to work with LAME for some reason so I had to make short wav clips.

I'd like to know how to make sounds like these two here:

Firstly, from around 5:10 in Konflict - Messiah (Noisia remix): http://www.zshare.net/audio/7304765069f0bcd0/ - That really short distorted bit after the first kick (I know, asking how to make Noisia bass is pretty stupid)
And secondly, a similar sound from Blah Blah Media by Cheshire*: http://www.zshare.net/audio/730482511a9d5cba/ - There's a quick pitch bend and then the sound I want.

I've tried making it myself, I was convinced I'd get it with a really low note (like F0, synth-starts-farting-out low) distorted, highpassed and then bitcrushed or something similar but I haven't had any luck yet.

* no youtube link sorry, not sure if I can link to the mp3 but it's there if you google it

Das MicroKorg
Sep 18, 2005

Vintage Analog Synthesizer
Hey, thanks for this awesome thread! I'll be taking part in a creative media/art workshop week later this year and I'm thinking about preparing a presentation/workshop for "subtractive synthesis basics" with Synth1. Does anybody know if there is a simple and free DAW that can run the Synth1 VSTi, so I could pass around a USB Stick to the students, so they can try it out immediately?

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

You could do Reaper (https://reaper.fm). It's not completely free, but there's a trial/nag period you could possibly use during the class.

Das MicroKorg
Sep 18, 2005

Vintage Analog Synthesizer

theflyingexecutive posted:

You could do Reaper (https://reaper.fm). It's not completely free, but there's a trial/nag period you could possibly use during the class.
Thanks, I tried Reaper and while the UI seems pretty unintuitve (compared to Ableton Live), it's probably gonna work for my purposes :)

Das MicroKorg fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Feb 27, 2010

Backfoggen
Feb 27, 2010
http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Let+s+Not+Wrestle+Mt+Heart+Attack/4M5lk

Don't really know if that link works alright, but all of the youtube videos are live with crappy audio quality and make the sound I'm looking for sound like compression artifacts.
I basically want to know how that background noise running throughout the song (beginning where the main drums start off) is achieved.

9b817f5
Nov 1, 2007

weeps quietly in binary
I really like this bass but am unsure of what effects to use to achieve it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPSLJdRy0GQ#t=1m00s

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=criZzd1dzmc

How do I get that sound? I have a Telecaster on bridge into Valve Jr., and it's close, but I feel like it needs... something. Would a tube screamer give me what I need, or could I get away with an equalizer and pushing the volume up a bit? I tried it with a BBE freq boost but it's not quite there.

...Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to buy a TS.

edit: I see that Delta Lab has rebranded the TD1 as the TO1. Was there a revision or is it simply rebranding to avoid a lawsuit?

E1M5
Feb 6, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-ysnB3X5ZY&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5151GwT-DSI (can be heard on it's own at 0:25)

Does anybody have any suggestions on getting the saw/synth to sound like the one in these songs? I'm assuming it's just a normal saw, but it sounds really soft and mellow, yet still has the impact im looking for (I notice this is used in a lot of productions nowadays).

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Rkelly
Sep 7, 2003
How do I achieve the production quality on washed out's songs feel it all around and belong

http://www.myspace.com/thebabeinthewoods

I got the snare sounding right. I just can't get the washy ness of the track.

i use plate reverbs, timeless 2 for wow and flutter, urs strip pro for tape emulation at 15ips. I use live's bit redux to downsample a lot of poo poo. auto filter everything. Am I going about this the right way? doesn't sound right.

Do I need to sample things on a cassette or something. Is it all samples? and vocals? I have been using verbed out synths to make the wash. like absynth thru gr4 iceverb with filter lfoed like mad with s&h wave form.

Rkelly fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Mar 2, 2010

GbrushTwood
Jul 18, 2004
Mighty Pirate.
This is probably the best thread I've seen perhaps ever on the forums. Thanks so much.

As a budding producer and whatnot, I am constantly in awe of jack beat's synths, mainly the one on

Drop the Pressure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c_2vFFif8E (1:02)

How the hell do they get it to sound so clean and ... I guess crunchy? It sounds like there are two synths going on there, one high one low, with a lot of bending, but I have no idea how to achieve any effect remotely similar.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Rkelly posted:

How do I achieve the production quality on washed out's songs feel it all around and belong

Rip a loop or two from 70s and 80s tunes, slow them down, EQ them, sometimes he puts some extra delay or reverb on there. Then sing over them with a lot of delay and reverb, add a couple synth twinkly sounds, and you are basically done.

I don't think much of him but I'm not really trying to be sarcastic, I think you are way overthinking what he's doing to his sampled loops... Compare Get Up to Got To Get Up by Change, he does even less to that one than he does to most of them. Since there's less going on it might be more instructive.

OMGWTFAOLBBQ
May 18, 2008

GbrushTwood posted:

This is probably the best thread I've seen perhaps ever on the forums. Thanks so much.

As a budding producer and whatnot, I am constantly in awe of jack beat's synths, mainly the one on

Drop the Pressure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c_2vFFif8E (1:02)

How the hell do they get it to sound so clean and ... I guess crunchy? It sounds like there are two synths going on there, one high one low, with a lot of bending, but I have no idea how to achieve any effect remotely similar.
Jack Beat's sound design is just plain loving sick. Every track, every sound.

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

E1M5 posted:

I'm assuming it's just a normal saw, but it sounds really soft and mellow, yet still has the impact im looking for (I notice this is used in a lot of productions nowadays).

Impact depends on the rest of the mix (e.g. what's in the way of frequencies that may clash with the saw wave?) so that's hard to answer. I think most of the work went into EQing it.

That said, electronic music producers are bloody lazy when they can get away with it so it might even be just the particular character of the synth used.

GbrushTwood posted:

It sounds like there are two synths going on there, one high one low, with a lot of bending, but I have no idea how to achieve any effect remotely similar.

That's just one synth with two detuned oscillators, and perhaps a bit of LFO where the LFO's speed is determined by keytracking. This means that the speed increases when a higher note is played. IMHO NI Massive is pretty good at this kind of stuff, most other synths lack the routing and the sound isn't as abrasive.

Laserjet 4P fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Mar 2, 2010

GbrushTwood
Jul 18, 2004
Mighty Pirate.
Thanks Yoozer, you're awesome! What do you mean by all the routing? I've been trying to learn massive, but seeing as it's really my first synth, Methinks it's like trying to run a marathon before I can walk.

Any good starting points for learning massive, or what kind of waves/filters I would even go about using to make a sound like in that Jack Beats song?

Rkelly
Sep 7, 2003

breaks posted:

Rip a loop or two from 70s and 80s tunes, slow them down, EQ them, sometimes he puts some extra delay or reverb on there. Then sing over them with a lot of delay and reverb, add a couple synth twinkly sounds, and you are basically done.

I don't think much of him but I'm not really trying to be sarcastic, I think you are way overthinking what he's doing to his sampled loops... Compare Get Up to Got To Get Up by Change, he does even less to that one than he does to most of them. Since there's less going on it might be more instructive.

Thank you times one thousand. It does lose a little charm, hearing slowed down 80s poo poo. I love daft punk so I probably love this. Something about slowing down old funk and electro.

That covers all the bases of it being on tape, and having that nice woody moog sound on the bass. So, I just need to get to chopping.

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

GbrushTwood posted:

Thanks Yoozer, you're awesome! What do you mean by all the routing?

"Routing" on a synthesizer has to do with modulation.

An LFO or envelope does nothing by itself. It's a robot; one that moves (in theory) any slider or knob for you that you want it to. When an LFO is not routed, the robot simply has nothing to do.

Routing an LFO to the pitch means that you're basically telling the LFO robot "OK, I want you to change this here over time, with that intensity.

quote:

I've been trying to learn massive, but seeing as it's really my first synth, Methinks it's like trying to run a marathon before I can walk.

Massive has an unconventional but clear layout. The only one demonstrating this "abstract" concept better - as you see Massive wastes no space on meticulously rendered 3 sliders or ivory-tinged keyboards - is Future Audio Workshop's "Circle".

If you understand how modulation works in Massive and don't bother with the parallel filters for the first few weeks, it's fine; it just doesn't do some things other synthesizers will (like a proper oscillator sync or modulating the pitch of one oscillator with that of another).

Try to load this patch:

http://www.theheartcore.com/patch/Jackbeats.ksd

If that's not working, here's the recipe:

http://www.theheartcore.com/patch/Jackbeats.jpg

Everything not shown doesn't matter or is based on the "default" patch.

GbrushTwood
Jul 18, 2004
Mighty Pirate.
holy poo poo, yoozer you are the MAN. <3 You have seriously helped me understand synthesis in 2 days better than I have tried on my own in 5 months.

E1M5
Feb 6, 2007

Yoozer posted:

Impact depends on the rest of the mix (e.g. what's in the way of frequencies that may clash with the saw wave?) so that's hard to answer. I think most of the work went into EQing it.

That said, electronic music producers are bloody lazy when they can get away with it so it might even be just the particular character of the synth used.

Thanks! Could you possibly help point me in the right direction as far as EQing the saw goes? I can load up a 3xOscilator, or a saw preset on a VST, and create a similar sound as one in the videos, then proceed to use 7-band compression to try to get the sound, but It feels like I've hit a brick wall in a sense that its still not "smooth" enough (if that makes any sense).

Also, what do you mean by "particular character"?

Thanks for the help, I'm still learning!

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

E1M5 posted:

Also, what do you mean by "particular character"?

I'll look at your example again later but "character" is a generic catch-all vague synaesthetic term like "tone" is for guitars.

Not all saw waves on all synthesizers are the same; some have an abrasive "edge", others are "gentle". You can use a lowpass filter to make a saw wave more mellow, but those terms generally refer to the properties of the oscillators before they've entered the filter.

HauntedRobot
Jun 22, 2002

an excellent mod
a simple map to my heart
now give me tilt shift
Having a hard time breaking out of using sampled loops with "baked in" grunge. What I want to do is get the same kind of hard edge and slight crunchiness that you hear here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5L0V6omQmY#t=6m25s

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

HauntedRobot posted:

Having a hard time breaking out of using sampled loops with "baked in" grunge. What I want to do is get the same kind of hard edge and slight crunchiness that you hear here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5L0V6omQmY#t=6m25s

Try layering the original "soft" loop with a duplicated version that you've put distortion on (and then, cut the lows away). Parallel compression (blending the original with a slammed-to-death version) might help, too.

E1M5 posted:

can load up a 3xOscilator, or a saw preset on a VST, and create a similar sound as one in the videos

One saw is not enough - try Synth1's saw wave and move the oscillator 1 "det" (from Detune) knob up a bit to taste. Unless I've misread your intentions.

Laserjet 4P fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Mar 3, 2010

illcendiary
Dec 4, 2005

Damn, this is good coffee.
Synth interpolation of the intro to Flashing Lights by Kanye West:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_GXudEIWXk

Starts at around 0:12 or so. I really like this change to the song intro and it isn't available in CD quality so I'm trying to recreate it in Ableton Live using the synths available to me. Any ideas?

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

illcendiary posted:

so I'm trying to recreate it in Ableton Live using the synths available to me.

Which ones? Or do you mean the ones in Live Suite? :)

mezzir
Jul 1, 2007

I'ma rub your ass in the moonshine.
Let's take it back to seventy-nine...

GbrushTwood posted:

This is probably the best thread I've seen perhaps ever on the forums. Thanks so much.

As a budding producer and whatnot, I am constantly in awe of jack beat's synths, mainly the one on

Drop the Pressure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c_2vFFif8E (1:02)

How the hell do they get it to sound so clean and ... I guess crunchy? It sounds like there are two synths going on there, one high one low, with a lot of bending, but I have no idea how to achieve any effect remotely similar.
Holy poo poo. I'll agree with whoever it was that said his sound design is sick, but I've been known to throw a brickwall compressor on the master channel and turn literally everything up a poo poo ton, and yet this still makes me think the compression's a bit overboard.

The patch itself is slightly interesting and without checking, I bet yoozer got it right, but as it sounds to me, the whole track is under a METRIC poo poo TON of compression.

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

mezzir posted:

and yet this still makes me think the compression's a bit overboard.

I don't think I've ever heard worse compression than what Danger does to his tracks. I have to yank down the volume on Youtube.

illcendiary
Dec 4, 2005

Damn, this is good coffee.

Yoozer posted:

Which ones? Or do you mean the ones in Live Suite? :)

Sorry, yeah, I meant the stock ones available in Live Suite.

h_double
Jul 27, 2001

FLX posted:

Hey, thanks for this awesome thread! I'll be taking part in a creative media/art workshop week later this year and I'm thinking about preparing a presentation/workshop for "subtractive synthesis basics" with Synth1. Does anybody know if there is a simple and free DAW that can run the Synth1 VSTi, so I could pass around a USB Stick to the students, so they can try it out immediately?

MU.LAB Free looks like it might be just the thing.


If that's still too big and complex, maybe Tobybear Minihost

Popcorn
May 25, 2004

You're both fuckin' banned!
I want to make a simple string-synth-pad sound. Something like the synth used here at about 1:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJthA4l8S5U

I don't know how to use VST synthesisers (or synthesisers at all for that matter). I am using Cubase and Reason. How do I do it?

Computer Jones
Jun 22, 2005

Popcorn posted:

I want to make a simple string-synth-pad sound. Something like the synth used here at about 1:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJthA4l8S5U

I don't know how to use VST synthesisers (or synthesisers at all for that matter). I am using Cubase and Reason. How do I do it?

Synths, even VST synths, usually come with a load of presets, and there will generally be a string-type patch or two. I haven't used Synth1 but I've heard good things about it, and it seems to have string patches. Good luck :)

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

Popcorn posted:

How do I do it?

Ya don't. These are sampled strings, and it's far easier to just load 'm from some library than go through the hoops to synthesize.

Get yourself E-mu Proteus VX - it's free if you sign up and you can get rid of their newsletter at any time - and try the preset 003:077 MeltroniKnbD , playing octaves.

illcendiary posted:

Sorry, yeah, I meant the stock ones available in Live Suite.

OK, sorry for the late reply. I don't have the Suite, so I just had to wing it in demo mode, and the quality of the video's kind of working against me. Anyway, the main ingredients:



Both are the same thing - it's just that when you click one part of Analog, the display in the center changes. I started with the init patch. Getting the portamento right is the hardest part, so you might be tweaking that glide time a bit to taste.

Laserjet 4P fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Mar 8, 2010

tronester
Aug 12, 2004
People hear what they want to hear.
I've been trying to re-create Tom Morello's guitar sound on Rage Against the Machine's self titled CD.

There are several clips on Youtube of him showing exactly what he uses... A Marshall JCM800 2204 with a Whammy and Wah pedals, that's pretty much it.

I have a Digitech RP255 modeling pedal, which has a JCM 800 preset for its amp parameter. I used the X-EDIT software to define a preset, nothing but a JCM800 with a modeled 4x12 cabinet. I tweaked the settings for over an hour, but just could not get that rich thick distorted sound he has on the album.

Does anyone have any tips on how to get his tone? I tried using Guitar Rig as well to get his sound, and it sounded very similar to what the Digitech did. It's not a problem with the modeling technology AFAIK because I can create presets to sound like other artists pretty well.

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plester1
Jul 9, 2004





tronester posted:

I've been trying to re-create Tom Morello's guitar sound on Rage Against the Machine's self titled CD.

There are several clips on Youtube of him showing exactly what he uses... A Marshall JCM800 2204 with a Whammy and Wah pedals, that's pretty much it.

I have a Digitech RP255 modeling pedal, which has a JCM 800 preset for its amp parameter. I used the X-EDIT software to define a preset, nothing but a JCM800 with a modeled 4x12 cabinet. I tweaked the settings for over an hour, but just could not get that rich thick distorted sound he has on the album.

Does anyone have any tips on how to get his tone? I tried using Guitar Rig as well to get his sound, and it sounded very similar to what the Digitech did. It's not a problem with the modeling technology AFAIK because I can create presets to sound like other artists pretty well.

I think I read in an old Guitar World that he also uses an eq pedal in his effects loop. Try seeing if you can get something closer with that.

edit: guitargeek seems to confirm this

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