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SentinelXS
Aug 30, 2009

Why don't you make like a tree, and FUCK OFF?

Sponge! posted:

I wouldn't think less of you for installing an electric heater in it instead of replacing the heater core...

That's most likely what I'd do, not even gonna think about dealing with the heater core :smith:

Hopefully a simple thermostat replacement will take care of it. The reason I didn't suspect the heater core is because the heat works completely fine once the engine gets up to its operating temp, it just takes forever to warm up. I just wait for the temp gauge to get a little below 210, and then when I turn on the fan it's blowing warm air. If the core was gummed up, it seems like I'd have bad heat performance altogether.

I love my XJ, but finances permitting, I'd like to get a new Wrangler within a few years. It's pretty fun to drive, but I just prefer the look and capability of the Wrangler. I can just imagine driving to the beach in the summer with the top off :allears:. My XJ actually has numerous minor problems but the heat one is the worst. Power side mirrors adjustment has never worked for as long as I can remember. Passenger power window switches work intermittently, but the driver's side master controls always work. Rear hatch struts don't hold it open anymore. Driver's side door lost the door brake and it won't stay open either.

Here's a pic of the XJ to go with all those :words::

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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

SentinelXS posted:

My XJ actually has numerous minor problems but the heat one is the worst. Power side mirrors adjustment has never worked for as long as I can remember. Passenger power window switches work intermittently, but the driver's side master controls always work. Rear hatch struts don't hold it open anymore. Driver's side door lost the door brake and it won't stay open either.

Are you sure this post isn't about my XJ? I have the exact same problems.

I Drink Stove Oil
Apr 4, 2009

SWOLE PATROL
Two quick questions for my 1999 Jeep Cherokee Classic 4Dr 4x4 with no mods that I know about :

1. Headlights. Mine are terrible and it's dark up here in AK for a good chunk of the time in the winter, so the brighter and crisper the light the better. I was looking for replacement bulbs and came to this site and it lists a bunch. Beisdes the wattage of item 2 (Vision X 9006) and 3 (Vision X 9005), is there a difference? Will they fit? Will one get me pulled over for pissing off oncoming vehicles? I cannot find the OEM part number for just the bulb to save my life.

2. There is this random switch to the right of the steering wheel on the dashboard below the instrument cluster, just above where they black dash meets the tan plastic. It doesn't seem to do anything. Any idea? No pic due to camera broken.

My Jeep on a clean day when not going on the beach or driving on abandoned roads or trails


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Thanks, AI

CharlieWhiskey
Aug 18, 2005

everything, all the time

this is the world

I Drink Stove Oil posted:

Two quick questions for my 1999 Jeep Cherokee Classic 4Dr 4x4 with no mods that I know about :

1. Headlights. Mine are terrible and it's dark up here in AK for a good chunk of the time in the winter, so the brighter and crisper the light the better. I was looking for replacement bulbs and came to this site and it lists a bunch. Beisdes the wattage of item 2 (Vision X 9006) and 3 (Vision X 9005), is there a difference? Will they fit? Will one get me pulled over for pissing off oncoming vehicles? I cannot find the OEM part number for just the bulb to save my life.

2. There is this random switch to the right of the steering wheel on the dashboard below the instrument cluster, just above where they black dash meets the tan plastic. It doesn't seem to do anything. Any idea? No pic due to camera broken.

My Jeep on a clean day when not going on the beach or driving on abandoned roads or trails


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Thanks, AI
I'm also displeased with the brightness of the headlights on my XJ; thanks for the link!

As for the switch, have you located both your rear defroster and your 4-way/hazard switches elsewhere? If so, my best guess is a switch from a previous owner for plow or trailer brake controls. Can you post a pic?

SentinelXS
Aug 30, 2009

Why don't you make like a tree, and FUCK OFF?

Rhyno posted:

Are you sure this post isn't about my XJ? I have the exact same problems.
:hf:

Electrical problems seem to be a feature of Jeeps. The electrical system in mine has always been a constant game. When I start it in the morning, I look around at the indicator lamps on all the switches to see what's going to work that particular day. Sometimes the passenger power window switches come back to life, but only briefly. If I ever fall off a bridge into a river, things aren't looking good for the passengers. The failing hatch struts is common for all older SUV's, happened to a friend's Ford Explorer and he keeps a wooden pole in the back labeled "Explorer Hatch Prop". I may adopt that solution.

I Drink Stove Oil
Apr 4, 2009

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CharlieWhiskey posted:

I'm also displeased with the brightness of the headlights on my XJ; thanks for the link!

As for the switch, have you located both your rear defroster and your 4-way/hazard switches elsewhere? If so, my best guess is a switch from a previous owner for plow or trailer brake controls. Can you post a pic?

It is not the wiper, defrost, or 4 way. It looks like it belongs and isn't some random tacked on item. My Jeep does not have fog lights and it does not have an impact on the aftermarket engine block heater.

The headlights on my 1991 Explorer were better than my current ones.

This illustration is the best I can do for now w/o my camera.


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fordham
Oct 5, 2002

Your argument is invalid.
Exciting Lemon

SentinelXS posted:

:hf:

Electrical problems seem to be a feature of Jeeps. The electrical system in mine has always been a constant game. When I start it in the morning, I look around at the indicator lamps on all the switches to see what's going to work that particular day. Sometimes the passenger power window switches come back to life, but only briefly. If I ever fall off a bridge into a river, things aren't looking good for the passengers. The failing hatch struts is common for all older SUV's, happened to a friend's Ford Explorer and he keeps a wooden pole in the back labeled "Explorer Hatch Prop". I may adopt that solution.

My 2000 XJ has a busted Window Lock switch on the driver cluster. Everything always works for the driver but all passenger doors usually don't work. It's annoying, but expensive to deal with.

Hatch struts are inexpensive and easy to replace.

PitViper
May 25, 2003

Welcome and thank you for shopping at Wal-Mart!
I love you!

fordham posted:

Hatch struts are inexpensive and easy to replace.

I just ordered hatch struts for my ZJ from Rockauto, they're only like $12 apiece. Don't know why I waited this long to replace them. I'm also replacing the rear main seal to hopefully fix my oil leak. If it's not the rear seal, it's the oil filter adapter plate that tends to warp and leak on the 5.2L.

Veeb0rg
Jul 24, 2001

THIS CONVERSATION IS NONPRODUCTIVE!

I Drink Stove Oil posted:

1. Headlights. Mine are terrible and it's dark up here in AK for a good chunk of the time in the winter, so the brighter and crisper the light the better. I was looking for replacement bulbs and came to this site and it lists a bunch. Beisdes the wattage of item 2 (Vision X 9006) and 3 (Vision X 9005), is there a difference? Will they fit? Will one get me pulled over for pissing off oncoming vehicles? I cannot find the OEM part number for just the bulb to save my life.

Factory XJ lights are 200mm Sealed beam bulbs, The lense, reflector and light are one big peice. None of those lights in that link will work with an XJ.

I have Autopal e-code h4 conversion headlights in mine, HUGE improvement over stock sealed beam bulbs. I just ordered an upgraded harness to feed the lights directly from the battery, it should make a slight improvement as well.

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=906034&highlight=autopal

fordham posted:

My 2000 XJ has a busted Window Lock switch on the driver cluster. Everything always works for the driver but all passenger doors usually don't work. It's annoying, but expensive to deal with.

Hatch struts are inexpensive and easy to replace.

http://www.cherokeeforum.com/f2/power-window-swich-not-working-5442/

only takes a paperclip to fix.

Veeb0rg fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Jan 7, 2010

I Drink Stove Oil
Apr 4, 2009

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Veeb0rg posted:

Factory XJ lights are 200mm Sealed beam bulbs, The lense, reflector and light are one big peice. None of those lights in that link will work with an XJ.

I have Autopal e-code h4 conversion headlights in mine, HUGE improvement over stock sealed beam bulbs. I just ordered an upgraded harness to feed the lights directly from the battery, it should make a slight improvement as well.

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=906034&highlight=autopal

Well, at least I don't feel as stupid for not being able to find the OEM part for the bulb. The pics look awesome and a 300% improvement from the lovely light I'm getting. Where did you get yours and at what cost? I live off the road system and can't exactly have them ordered to AutoZone for pick up.

Thanks for the help.

e: There's all these stupid kids waiting for the bus on my road that hangout on or near the road in the dark when I drive to work and I can barely see them. Scares the hell out of me and I want to make sure I can see them from further than 10 feet away. So getting new lights is really important.

I Drink Stove Oil fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Jan 7, 2010

Veeb0rg
Jul 24, 2001

THIS CONVERSATION IS NONPRODUCTIVE!

I Drink Stove Oil posted:

Well, at least I don't feel as stupid for not being able to find the OEM part for the bulb. The pics look awesome and a 300% improvement from the lovely light I'm getting. Where did you get yours and at what cost? I live off the road system and can't exactly have them ordered to AutoZone for pick up.

Thanks for the help.

e: There's all these stupid kids waiting for the bus on my road that hangout on or near the road in the dark when I drive to work and I can barely see them. Scares the hell out of me and I want to make sure I can see them from further than 10 feet away. So getting new lights is really important.

Autopal e-code H4 Lights
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/200m...sQ5fAccessories

Heavy Duty Harness
http://www.eautoworks.com/product-eAutoWorkscom-189849.htm

I Drink Stove Oil
Apr 4, 2009

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Awesome. I can do w/o the harness and will order tomorrow. Since I'm not hauling rear end on the Autobahn, an upgraded bulb won't really do much and will likely fry or melt my wiring, correct?

Thanks again for your help.

Veeb0rg
Jul 24, 2001

THIS CONVERSATION IS NONPRODUCTIVE!

I Drink Stove Oil posted:

Awesome. I can do w/o the harness and will order tomorrow. Since I'm not hauling rear end on the Autobahn, an upgraded bulb won't really do much and will likely fry or melt my wiring, correct?

Thanks again for your help.

yeah, a higher wattage bulb will melt/fry/eat small children and other wise cause havok. As long as you stick with the "stock" wattage bulbs you'll be fine. I've been running the autopal bulbs on the factory harness for a while now with no issues.

fordham
Oct 5, 2002

Your argument is invalid.
Exciting Lemon

Veeb0rg posted:

only takes a paperclip to fix.

Sweet! I've been thinking taking the whole door apart just really isn't worth it, but that's an easy fix.

SentinelXS
Aug 30, 2009

Why don't you make like a tree, and FUCK OFF?

Veeb0rg posted:

http://www.cherokeeforum.com/f2/power-window-swich-not-working-5442/

only takes a paperclip to fix.

Thanks, I might try this. Simple fixes are the best, my parents previously owned the XJ and I can't believe they paid to have the power windows fixed several times :psyduck:

Polish
Jul 5, 2007

I touch myself at night
My 2000 XJ is at 170,000 miles.. the battery just died while on vacation (was 5 years old, had to go sometime) and I just got the front brakes done. Now in the mornings I go to start my car and all my dash lights turn on when I turn the key but nothing else. I have to usually hold in the brake or just keep trying until the engine starts right up.. no clue what the hell is doing that. Also this morning I start the car and notice my brake pedal goes right to the floor. I check my brake fluid and it is just about empty so I add some and that does nothing.

Taking it to the shop where I had the brakes done but it is going to snow tonight.. uhg snow travel with very weak brakes.. argggggg.

My brake light is on on the dash.. any ideas? I am thinking the master cylinder but I just got that replaced when I got the car, five years ago..

And for the windows not working on the passenger doors I found a fix where I had to bridge two wires.. haven't had a problem with that since. I'll see if I can find the thread.

Dividend Special
Jul 24, 2007

by Fistgrrl

I Drink Stove Oil posted:


My Jeep on a clean day when not going on the beach or driving on abandoned roads or trails


Click here for the full 1404x1121 image.


Thanks, AI

Jims Creek?

nullfox
Aug 19, 2008
Sorry I've been AWOL - Just got back from a 2000 mile roadtrip from the SF Bay Area up to Portland and Seattle.

All in all the Jeep ran great, I noticed the "bumping when turning" thing a few times, but I haven't changed any of the fluids yet, so what do you expect.

Speaking of fluids, it seems that me purchasing my fluids sparked some debate about prices and where to purchase. Yea, I was a bit shocked by the price of some of the Mopar poo poo, but I was hoping to do the fluid changes before I went on the road trip and I knew for sure the dealer would have what I needed.

I followed the part numbers and goodies on http://www.wjjeeps.com/service/maintenance_wj.htm for reference. Now that I know that some of this stuff is available cheaper, elsewhere, that will certainly help. For the time being, I'm willing to shell out a few extra bucks to get this thing to a point where I know when it was last serviced, etc.

Onto the bad... 2000 miles of the Jeep being a little too small has turned into a big case of "holy gently caress my knee hurts" - I'm starting to come to the realization that I made a giant mistake in buying this and that I may have to trade it in sometime in the near future for something larger. So far, a Toyota FJ and Xterra come to mind, but ive never been keen on Xterras and the FJ seems rather quirky.

Also, to add to my HVAC issues, I notice that every once in a while, my AC randomly kicks on.

Veeb0rg
Jul 24, 2001

THIS CONVERSATION IS NONPRODUCTIVE!

Polish posted:

My 2000 XJ is at 170,000 miles.. the battery just died while on vacation (was 5 years old, had to go sometime) and I just got the front brakes done. Now in the mornings I go to start my car and all my dash lights turn on when I turn the key but nothing else. I have to usually hold in the brake or just keep trying until the engine starts right up.. no clue what the hell is doing that. Also this morning I start the car and notice my brake pedal goes right to the floor. I check my brake fluid and it is just about empty so I add some and that does nothing.

Taking it to the shop where I had the brakes done but it is going to snow tonight.. uhg snow travel with very weak brakes.. argggggg.

My brake light is on on the dash.. any ideas? I am thinking the master cylinder but I just got that replaced when I got the car, five years ago..

And for the windows not working on the passenger doors I found a fix where I had to bridge two wires.. haven't had a problem with that since. I'll see if I can find the thread.

It sounds like you've got a leak in your brake's somewhere. Check for puddles near the tires or check the back side of the tires for "wetness"

The starter thing sounds like either the starter is going bad, the ignition switch is going bad or the Neutral Saftey Switch is going bad. Next time you go to start it and it doesn't want to start try putting it in Neurtal and then try to start it.

I Drink Stove Oil
Apr 4, 2009

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Dividend Special posted:

Jims Creek?

Nah, I'm way out in Bristol Bay. Never heard of Jim's Creek.

e: love the username.

I Drink Stove Oil fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Jan 8, 2010

SinJin
Aug 2, 2008

I Drink Stove Oil posted:

Headlights ...

Just so you are aware:

Just about anything you do that increases the brightness of your headlights will lessen the life of them.

Why are you not considering auxiliary driving lights ?
They double your available light in intensity, range or a mix of the two. They install with less effort than a new headlight harness, are cheaper in the long run and add utility.

I Drink Stove Oil
Apr 4, 2009

SWOLE PATROL

SinJin posted:

Just so you are aware:

Just about anything you do that increases the brightness of your headlights will lessen the life of them.

Why are you not considering auxiliary driving lights ?
They double your available light in intensity, range or a mix of the two. They install with less effort than a new headlight harness, are cheaper in the long run and add utility.

I just want to replace my current headlights with something that works. Not looking for any fog lamps or a light bar or anything else that makes my Jeep stand out. The more poo poo I throw on a vehicle, the more poo poo there is to wrong. I'm not going to upgrade the wiring harness. Just a simple swap.

I'm not a very good Jeep owner, I know.

SentinelXS
Aug 30, 2009

Why don't you make like a tree, and FUCK OFF?
I saw something horrifying today. While I was driving home I heard loud bass which I assumed was coming from the usual ghetto-mobile, but it was actually coming from a ghetto'd-out ZJ! I wish I took a picture of it, but it'd probably make you guys cry. A black ZJ with overly tinted windows, fake air vent stickers everywhere (on the doors even), fake gold trim, custom rims, thumping subwoofers in the trunk, the whole deal. :gonk:

In other news, the weekend is here, so it's time to work on all the stuff I've been putting off. Going to get new hatch struts, look into my heating problem mentioned earlier, and possibly get a new stereo. Only reason I want a new stereo is because the stock unit's cassette tape player breaks during the Winter (I use a tape adapter to play my iPod through the car stereo).

sw0cb
Feb 18, 2007
What issues should I be looking for in cherokees of 1998-2000 vintage?

Heres an example of one im looking at:http://orlando.craigslist.org/ctd/1537716673.html

herbaceous backson
Mar 10, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

SentinelXS posted:

I saw something horrifying today. While I was driving home I heard loud bass which I assumed was coming from the usual ghetto-mobile, but it was actually coming from a ghetto'd-out ZJ! I wish I took a picture of it, but it'd probably make you guys cry. A black ZJ with overly tinted windows, fake air vent stickers everywhere (on the doors even), fake gold trim, custom rims, thumping subwoofers in the trunk, the whole deal. :gonk:

Could've been worse; I saw a Rubicon done up like that a while back. :(

e:



heh

herbaceous backson fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Jan 9, 2010

fordham
Oct 5, 2002

Your argument is invalid.
Exciting Lemon

sw0cb posted:

What issues should I be looking for in cherokees of 1998-2000 vintage?

Heres an example of one im looking at:http://orlando.craigslist.org/ctd/1537716673.html

That's a bit too much money for that many miles.

I would want to know if the cat was ever replaced on that one, that could be coming up. Rear main seal is likely to be leaking a bit but I'm not sure how you easily check for that and they usually leak a little for a long time before becoming a serious problem.

There's a lot of things that can start to fail at 175k miles, though the engine is probably OK if it sounds good.

sw0cb
Feb 18, 2007

fordham posted:

That's a bit too much money for that many miles.

I would want to know if the cat was ever replaced on that one, that could be coming up. Rear main seal is likely to be leaking a bit but I'm not sure how you easily check for that and they usually leak a little for a long time before becoming a serious problem.

There's a lot of things that can start to fail at 175k miles, though the engine is probably OK if it sounds good.

Yeah, I ended up with a 2000 Sport 4x4 with 150k on it for 3 grand. Everything seems to be in order except for some minor surface rust on the rear axle and leaf springs. What should i hit first as far as maintence goes?

fordham
Oct 5, 2002

Your argument is invalid.
Exciting Lemon

sw0cb posted:

Yeah, I ended up with a 2000 Sport 4x4 with 150k on it for 3 grand. Everything seems to be in order except for some minor surface rust on the rear axle and leaf springs. What should i hit first as far as maintence goes?

If you have no records you should change every drop of oil in the thing.

Engine
Transmission
Front Diff
Rear Diff
Transfer Case

Use only Mopar in the automatic tranny! It's expensive but necessary Not sure about the transfer case, but I used mopar there too.

I drain and fill my transmission every 30k. At 90k I had it flushed and the filter changed out, pan resealed with silicon (not a pre-formed gasket - those tend to have issues). This advice is from a Jeep mechanic for >20 years (and he owns a '91 XJ himself). When I do the full tranny service I had them do the diffs + transfer case too.

Does anyone ever change their power steering fluid?

SentinelXS
Aug 30, 2009

Why don't you make like a tree, and FUCK OFF?
Well, I've narrowed down the crappy heating in my XJ to a gummed up heater core. I let the engine idle and get to operating temp, and the heat only got slightly warm. The only reason I was getting decent heat last week was because I had been driving and reaching higher RPM's. I also felt the hoses going into the heater core, and one of them seemed colder than the other. I'm praying that a simple flush will alleviate the problem. If not, :smithicide:

giundy
Dec 10, 2005
The fuel gauge in my CJ doesn't work. I'm not surprised, but thinking back a few months when I first bought the Jeep it would go to full. After tearing into the gauge and seeing its burnt up, it seems my temp gauge may be in the same boat. Both gauges work as they temp gets higher, or the fuel level lower the resistance lowers. A short will then cause the gauge to burn out, putting me in my current situation. My temp gauge goes up to hot as soon as the engine starts, which would be another sign there is a short somewhere.

From here, do I replace the OEM gauge with another crappy one likely to break or go aftermarket and add another hole in the dash. The old fuel gauge will just always sit at empty.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Rolled up behind this guy today.


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Yup. That is a homemade Wrangler top.

Clamwacker
Feb 12, 2007

It is now time to rock out with your cock out. BEGIN!
Wow, that is actually pretty cool looking for what it is. Much better than that goddamn loving lowered YJ earlier. I want to stomp on that guy's nuts for about 15 or 20 minutes.

Speaking of the lowered YJ -- how the hell did they even do that? What's with the camber in the back? Did they convert it to IRS with no 4WD or some poo poo?

Dividend Special
Jul 24, 2007

by Fistgrrl

fordham posted:



Use only Mopar in the automatic tranny! It's expensive but necessary Not sure about the transfer case, but I used mopar there too.

Why is this necessary? Dexron III works just fine.

ATF4+ in the transfer case works fine too. Why pay extra for the mopar name when there's things out there that works just as well, if not better?

fordham
Oct 5, 2002

Your argument is invalid.
Exciting Lemon

Dividend Special posted:

Why is this necessary? Dexron III works just fine.

ATF4+ in the transfer case works fine too. Why pay extra for the mopar name when there's things out there that works just as well, if not better?

I've heard from a bunch of people that the AW4 doesn't like some brands of tranny fluid, so go with Mopar to be safe.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Dividend Special posted:

Why is this necessary? Dexron III works just fine.

ATF4+ in the transfer case works fine too. Why pay extra for the mopar name when there's things out there that works just as well, if not better?

Everything I've ever read has people swearing up one side and down the other that if you don't run ATF+4 in your tranny, you'll gently caress it up.

And I don't mean :downswords: on the internet, I mean Jeep-smart people on the Jeep forums.

Goob
Jul 10, 2001

The M-1 does my talking.

Doctor Zero posted:

Everything I've ever read has people swearing up one side and down the other that if you don't run ATF+4 in your tranny, you'll gently caress it up.

And I don't mean :downswords: on the internet, I mean Jeep-smart people on the Jeep forums.
The AW4 doesn't take ATF+4 since it's not a Chrysler transmission. For modern Chrysler transmissions used in Jeeps, like the 42RLE, put nothing in it but ATF+4 from approved brands.

trouser chili
Mar 27, 2002

Unnngggggghhhhh

Doctor Zero posted:

Everything I've ever read has people swearing up one side and down the other that if you don't run ATF+4 in your tranny, you'll gently caress it up.

And I don't mean :downswords: on the internet, I mean Jeep-smart people on the Jeep forums.

The Cherokee doesn't run the god awful A604. The AW-4 automatic that should be behind that engine likes Dex/Merc just fine. You might be thinking of the Grand Cherokee, which had their TorqueFlite-derived four-speeds made all loving sensitive and require ATF+4.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

trouser chili posted:

The Cherokee doesn't run the god awful A604. The AW-4 automatic that should be behind that engine likes Dex/Merc just fine. You might be thinking of the Grand Cherokee, which had their TorqueFlite-derived four-speeds made all loving sensitive and require ATF+4.

Ah yes. I lost track of the conversation. Sorry. v:shobon:v

fordham
Oct 5, 2002

Your argument is invalid.
Exciting Lemon
I may have been confusing the two then. I used to have a GC and have heard for a while to only use Mopar ATF in Jeeps period.

And why the hell didn't they use the AW4 in the GCs (except for that one time in ~'93 when a drunk assembly line worker stuck a few in by mistake)?

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trouser chili
Mar 27, 2002

Unnngggggghhhhh

fordham posted:


And why the hell didn't they use the AW4 in the GCs (except for that one time in ~'93 when a drunk assembly line worker stuck a few in by mistake)?

The AW4 is a pretty good transmission, but perhaps a little undersized for the larger Grand Cherokee, especially when paired up with the larger v8 engines that were available in that platform. Chryco took their excellent, but outdated TorqueFlite and created 4-speed overdrive versions. These are the 42RE (NOT to be confused with the Ultradrive-derived 42RLE) and the 46RE in the Grand Cherokee. The 46RE is actually a pretty drat good transmission, it's basically a 727 with an extra gear.

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