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Are there a lot of title reigns that are unrecognized by the WWE? There are two tag title reigns that go unrecognized and both are vs the Hart Foundation coincidentally. The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers in 1987 and The Rockers in 1990. I feel like I'm missing another really obvious one. What are some other ones that went unrecognized?
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Feb 12, 2010 23:39
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Bearnt! posted:Are there a lot of title reigns that are unrecognized by the WWE? There are two tag title reigns that go unrecognized and both are vs the Hart Foundation coincidentally. The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers in 1987 and The Rockers in 1990. I feel like I'm missing another really obvious one. What are some other ones that went unrecognized? There are a handful of unrecognized NWA title reigns, including a couple of Ric Flair's. Blackjack Mulligan, Paul Jones, Greg Valentine and Flair have unrecognized US title reigns. Flair has an unrecognized WCW title reign. I think the WWE outright ignores the WCW International World Heavyweight Title; they definitely (and correctly) don't consider it a world title. There are probably more, but that's all I could find quickly.
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Feb 12, 2010 23:50
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What's everyone's opinions of the split-brand PPV's when WWE still did that? I didn't watch at the time, but it seemed like a pretty dumb decision to me, like you'd lose half the ppv viewership you'd normally have and having both brands one one pay per view is like advertising for each brand to the people who watch the other.
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Feb 13, 2010 01:12
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LightsGameraAction posted:What's everyone's opinions of the split-brand PPV's when WWE still did that? I didn't watch at the time, but it seemed like a pretty dumb decision to me, like you'd lose half the ppv viewership you'd normally have and having both brands one one pay per view is like advertising for each brand to the people who watch the other. In theory it wasn't a bad idea because a) only having to do one PPV every other month meant that they could take time to build feuds and would end up repeating main events less, and b) they could put more of their mid-to-lower card on PPV. In practice it didn't really work because they still did a lot of the stuff they do today (feuds would still carry on for multiple PPVs) and one brand was always way more interesting than another, so no one wanted to see half the cards anyway.
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Feb 13, 2010 01:24
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LightsGameraAction posted:What's everyone's opinions of the split-brand PPV's when WWE still did that? I didn't watch at the time, but it seemed like a pretty dumb decision to me, like you'd lose half the ppv viewership you'd normally have and having both brands one one pay per view is like advertising for each brand to the people who watch the other. In theory it made sense because each brand had roughly 6 weeks between shows to build angles and matches. It definitely helps build new guys and gives them more PPV experience, too. However, you really paint yourself into a corner if you have just one brand represented on a show because you can't build tri-branded super shows like we get now. If the Raw roster isn't deep enough to fill out a full card, you're stuck.
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Feb 13, 2010 01:26
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Captain Charisma posted:GAB2004 and 2005 are unfathomably bad shows. 2005 was one of the most bizarre shows ever in that every single booking decision except Undertaker going over and the BWO losing was the wrong one. It was like they were trying to troll their audience. Which GAB was it that almost everyone scheduled got sick before the PPV?
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Feb 13, 2010 02:08
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KungFu Grip posted:Which GAB was it that almost everyone scheduled got sick before the PPV? 2006
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Feb 13, 2010 02:13
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KungFu Grip posted:Which GAB was it that almost everyone scheduled got sick before the PPV? Elevated liver enzymes 
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Feb 13, 2010 02:23
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Bearnt! posted:Are there a lot of title reigns that are unrecognized by the WWE? There are two tag title reigns that go unrecognized and both are vs the Hart Foundation coincidentally. The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers in 1987 and The Rockers in 1990. I feel like I'm missing another really obvious one. What are some other ones that went unrecognized? Does WWE count Antonio Inoki's "ghost" run with the WWWF title?
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Feb 13, 2010 02:26
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CM Junk posted:Does WWE count Antonio Inoki's "ghost" run with the WWWF title? they probably will after they induct him
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Feb 13, 2010 02:48
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Can someone post a list of all the WWE legends roundtables? I am trying to find the one where Ric Flair and others discussed worst factions or families.
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Feb 13, 2010 16:07
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The wrestler that first caught my attention and made me a fan was Sid Vicious. I saw him in like 1990 WCW while flipping channels. However, I distinctly remember his powerbomb being different back then. He'd lift the guy (more often than not Mark Starr or whatever other pale chunky jobber) up the normal way, from the standing headscissors. Instead of going straight up and down, though, he'd have a middle step where he flipped the guy up on his shoulder. Sid'd then hold him there like an Argentine Backbreaker for a second before hopping a bit to throw him off his shoulder and then push him the rest of the way down with his hand on the jobber's gut. Was I just hosed up when I was 9 or does anybody else remember this? Edit: Huh, sort of like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-a1A1y7y6M against the best jobber ever. I think I remember more of a pause, though. Minges fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Feb 13, 2010 |
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Feb 13, 2010 21:32
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Moose Bigelow posted:Can someone post a list of all the WWE legends roundtables? I am trying to find the one where Ric Flair and others discussed worst factions or families. I've seen ones about : Factions/Stables Patriotism in Wrestling Wrestling Territories The Monday Night War Worst Characters Ever Most Important Moments Giants The Culture of Southern Wrestling Heatseekers Managers Great Rivals I don't know how complete that is, I've only watched them on Dailymotion or wherever since I don't have WWE 24/7.
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Feb 13, 2010 21:57
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The Berzerker posted:I've seen ones about : Thanks. I have the ones that were on sale at Best Buy a while back but was wondering which one had them talking about stables and Flair saying the nWo was a terrible stable.
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Moose Bigelow posted:Thanks. I have the ones that were on sale at Best Buy a while back but was wondering which one had them talking about stables and Flair saying the nWo was a terrible stable. It's their Factions roundtable. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6tgbx_wwe-24-7-round-table-best-factions_sport http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6tghg_wwe-24-7-round-table-best-factions_sport http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6thz0_wwe-24-7-round-table-best-factions_sport http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ti2z_wwe-24-7-round-table-best-factions_sport Edit: While we're on the subject of the 24/7 roundtables, how many of them would I be able to watch if I got a WWEClassics.com subscription? CVagts fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Feb 13, 2010 |
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Feb 13, 2010 22:44
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Bikeage posted:Vince Russo's (worked) shoot at Bash at the Beach 2000 comes to mind, but there might be something rougher I haven't seen. The most offensive bit of this happens at 4:20.
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Feb 13, 2010 23:22
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Anyone have any good stories of why wrestlers wouldn't do things? I was just reading Tajiri's wiki, and when they brought in Sakoda and Akio, WWE originally wanted to porray them as Japanese gangsters. Tajiri refused this because he was scared the real Yakuza would view this as an insult and hunt him down.
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Feb 13, 2010 23:28
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Capsaicin posted:Anyone have any good stories of why wrestlers wouldn't do things? I was just reading Tajiri's wiki, and when they brought in Sakoda and Akio, WWE originally wanted to porray them as Japanese gangsters. My favorite story is Bischoff congratulating HBK on becoming champion, a few months after the Katie Vick angle. HBK: Thank you Eric, I just want to let you know, as Champion, I'm not going to do any kind of.... necrophilia angle.... Bischoff: Why Shawn? Does it offend you as a Christian?  HBK: No! It offends me.... as a wrestler!
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Feb 13, 2010 23:32
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Minidust posted:We're deep in the PG era now, but what was the most profane segment ever in mainstream wrestling, language-wise? (old ECW doesn't count as mainstream) There was one episode of Nitro where Bret Hart went on a similar tirade, and the usually hypersensitive censors at TNT must have taken the night off. Does anyone remember or have a transcript of William Regal's promo where he talks about how brutal and savage the British are historically known to be?
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Feb 14, 2010 04:09
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What were these Hart tirades?
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Minges posted:Was I just hosed up when I was 9 or does anybody else remember this? Not sure what you're looking for, but yes, that's how Sid did a powerbomb. The later jackknife powerbomb was similar. CM Junk posted:Does WWE count Antonio Inoki's "ghost" run with the WWWF title? No, and the likely will not because it was a political problem when it happened. Backlund agreed to drop the title for a week but Inoki didn't do business and lose the title. Backlund brought the belt back and both sides had a bit of a public spat about it.
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Feb 14, 2010 04:46
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The A-Team Van posted:What were these Hart tirades? it was sometime leading up to wrestlemania 13 he got real pissed at vince and said "this is bullshit!! frustrated isnt the right goddamn word for it" and other bad words
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Feb 14, 2010 04:51
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Bikeage posted:Vince Russo's (worked) shoot at Bash at the Beach 2000 comes to mind, but there might be something rougher I haven't seen. You could clearly hear Scott Steiner regularly from the ring mics.
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The Shaman of Cum posted:it was sometime leading up to wrestlemania 13 he got real pissed at vince and said "this is bullshit!! frustrated isnt the right goddamn word for it" and other bad words Frustrated isn't the goddamn word for it! This is bullshit! You screw me, everybody screws me, and nobody does a goddamn thing about it. This was huge stuff in 1997.
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The Shaman of Cum posted:it was sometime leading up to wrestlemania 13 he got real pissed at vince and said "this is bullshit!! frustrated isnt the right goddamn word for it" and other bad words Bret had lost a cage match for the title to Sid. USA was very, very angry at Vince for this one.
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Feb 14, 2010 05:13
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WeaselWeaz posted:Bret had lost a cage match for the title to Sid. USA was very, very angry at Vince for this one. If I remember correctly, he lost because Austin hit him in the face with a chair as he was about to escape.
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Feb 14, 2010 05:25
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It was the Undertaker. Turns out, instead of all of us remembering it incorrectly, we can watch it: Part 1 Part 2
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Feb 14, 2010 05:40
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How long has Samoe Joe had that stupid face paint and who thought it would be a good idea?
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Oasx posted:How long has Samoe Joe had that stupid face paint and who thought it would be a good idea? He dropped it months ago, and it was a Russo idea. It's odd Joe went with it because he's always said he didn't want to be a fat Samoan savage gimmick.
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WeaselWeaz posted:He dropped it months ago, and it was a Russo idea. It's odd Joe went with it because he's always said he didn't want to be a fat Samoan savage gimmick. I looked at TNA's site and under Joe's profile it had a video with him having that on his face so i assumed that is what he looked like currently. I am not a huge fan of Samoe Joe, but his simple look has allways been one of the cool things about him.
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Oasx posted:I looked at TNA's site and under Joe's profile it had a video with him having that on his face so i assumed that is what he looked like currently. I am not a huge fan of Samoe Joe, but his simple look has allways been one of the cool things about him. Don't forget the breasts.
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I just wanted to add on the JBL's title reign discussion a page ago, there IS some stuff worth going back and watching. Mainly everything he did that involved Eddie. Their Judgment Day match was a fantastic, hate filled brawl with Eddie's infamous bladejob. Their Texas Bullrope match is also about as good a bullrope match you'll get with the touching the corners stip, and they had a really good Cage match on Smackdown too. There was also a 4 way at Armageddon in 2004 with JBL, Undertaker, Booker T, and Eddie Guerrero which is really underrated. It has the only interaction I can think of between Undertaker and Eddie, and it's just a really good match in general, it's just it was the main event of a pretty lovely card. Same with the JBL/Eddie Judgment Day match and Bullrope matches. But yeah, other than that, not much is really worth seeing. He did have a Last Man Standing match with Angle on a random Smackdown that was really good, and he did a segment in Japan where he fought Godzilla, but that's about it.
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WeaselWeaz posted:He dropped it months ago, and it was a Russo idea. It's odd Joe went with it because he's always said he didn't want to be a fat Samoan savage gimmick. Joe was willing to do it in Zero One, he's not going to turn it down in TNA. He even gained extra weight for the part that he wouldn't for Japan!
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Feb 15, 2010 21:47
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TL posted:Don't forget the breasts. Does anyone hear me complaining about the breasts?
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Graic posted:I just wanted to add on the JBL's title reign discussion a page ago, there IS some stuff worth going back and watching. Mainly everything he did that involved Eddie. Their Judgment Day match was a fantastic, hate filled brawl with Eddie's infamous bladejob. Their Texas Bullrope match is also about as good a bullrope match you'll get with the touching the corners stip, and they had a really good Cage match on Smackdown too. There was also a 4 way at Armageddon in 2004 with JBL, Undertaker, Booker T, and Eddie Guerrero which is really underrated. It has the only interaction I can think of between Undertaker and Eddie, and it's just a really good match in general, it's just it was the main event of a pretty lovely card. Same with the JBL/Eddie Judgment Day match and Bullrope matches. Don't forget about him doing a goosestep with his arm raised like a nazi in Germany during a tour! You know, I look back on memories of the year of JBL with much more fond memories then I should. I geniunely hated the guy for the first half of that reign, but it felt really good to go into every Smackdown ppv really hoping for him to drop the title. During the JBL run, I felt like a bit of a mark again and it was pretty fun. Then I started to like his silly stable and his zany antics as his reign started dying. He kind of reminded me of how a good Big Bossman title reign should have gone.
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Something I've all of a sudden started wondering. Is there a more useless wrestler than Ed Leslie? I'm sure there are probably a bunch in some poo poo indy fed in rural Ohio or wherever but for the sake of discussion, keep it to guys who have worked for the bigger companies (WWE, WCW, ECW, TNA, ROH I guess). I can not seriously remember or think of a good match he's ever had. He's had a thousand gimmicks and none of the (except maybe Brutus Beefcake for a bit in the '80s?) were ever over or good. The guy is basically around because he's BFFs with Hogan. Most anybody else, even guys like Bob Holly, had SOMETHING going for them at one point or another. I can't think of a single thing for Ed Leslie though. The only guys that even come close for me are, like, Sylvan Grenier, Orlando Jordan, Maven, etc.
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Suben posted:Something I've all of a sudden started wondering. Is there a more useless wrestler than Ed Leslie? The Nasty Boys would probably be up there except for a really good Steiners match from 1990 and some of their matches with Cactus Jack and Maxx Payne. I also remember them having some kind of brawl with Public Enemy at Bash at the Beach in 1996. Out of curiosity, I'd like to hear what some of the dumber gimmick matches you guys have seen. I've pretty much only watched WWE in my life with bits of WCW mixed in, but I can't think of many gimmicks worse than the Carson City Silver Dollar Match.
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As a kid I genuinely enjoyed the Brutus Beefcake/Outlaw Ron Bass feud, which started with Bass taking the spurs to Beefcake's face (one of the most  memories of my childhood) and ended with Beefcake putting Bass to sleep, then cutting up his cowboy hat and dancing around goofily in the ring.
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TL posted:Out of curiosity, I'd like to hear what some of the dumber gimmick matches you guys have seen. I've pretty much only watched WWE in my life with bits of WCW mixed in, but I can't think of many gimmicks worse than the Carson City Silver Dollar Match. Exploding Anus Death Match
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