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Minidust posted:How did Undertaker's "Ministry" heel turn come about? I remember him fighting Austin at SummerSlam '98 and it was kind of a face vs. face mutual respect thing. Next thing I remember he's strapping Austin to the giant Undertaker symbol, and turning Mabel into a zombie at the Royal Rumble. Even after that he was fighting off Vince's guys for the most part (before the Corporate Minsitry formed in classic RUSSO SWERVE fashion) so I'm just trying to figure out at what point the turn actually happened. I believe Ministry Taker started shortly after the Buried Alive match at Rock Bottom in December. The Corporate Ministry formed on the first episode of SmackDown and he won the title at Over the Edge. He lost the belt at...King of the Ring I think and then the Ministry fell apart at Fully Loaded. I guess Amishtaker was his alliance with Big Show that went until he got hurt before Unforgiven. Not seen again until Bikertaker.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:To be fair, this was way more a WCW thing.
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Feb 18, 2010 01:02
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The best thing about the piped in chants/cheers is that it gives people an excuse to dismiss the quality of wrestlers they dislike, as they can claim that "it's been piped in!" when it gets pointed out how over they are. "Nobody cares about <X> but 3 fat smarks  His reactions are piped in on Smackdown.... sure he gets the same reaction or higher at live events like PPVs but that's only because the audience is hyped up already because it is a PPV "
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Feb 18, 2010 01:14
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Well I mean, knowing about piped-in chants and the "smackdown pop" etc has made me a bit more cynical about how often the guys are ACTUALLY that over with the live crowd. Obviously if it's raw or a PPV I know it's legit but still.
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Feb 18, 2010 01:28
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Karmine posted:Well I mean, knowing about piped-in chants and the "smackdown pop" etc has made me a bit more cynical about how often the guys are ACTUALLY that over with the live crowd. There are ways to manipulate live crowd noise, too - You just turn the crowd mics up higher than normal.
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Feb 18, 2010 01:35
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Karmine posted:Well I mean, knowing about piped-in chants and the "smackdown pop" etc has made me a bit more cynical about how often the guys are ACTUALLY that over with the live crowd. Still, the last few Raw's could have used some piped-in chants. They've been really good(one exception) with some really good matches and the crowd sounds like it's not even paying attention 90% of the time.
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Feb 18, 2010 01:38
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Does this count: Why did Mickie James think it was a good idea to try to sing with an accent I can only describe as a mix between Gretchen Wilson and a truckstop diner waitress with a 35-year smoking habit when she doesn't actually have an accent? I was genuinely expecting some generic Taylor-Swifty pop country.
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Feb 18, 2010 02:05
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Free Market Gravy posted:Does this count: Why did Mickie James think it was a good idea to try to sing with an accent I can only describe as a mix between Gretchen Wilson and a truckstop diner waitress with a 35-year smoking habit when she doesn't actually have an accent? She actually does have an accent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so4N2iCsCK8
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Feb 18, 2010 02:11
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The A-Team Van posted:She actually does have an accent. Not the one she sings with, by a long shot.
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Feb 18, 2010 02:23
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The A-Team Van posted:She actually does have an accent. You know, the whole deal with her presenting herself as the confident champion against shallow and judgemental McCool will not sit as well with me knowing she does these desperate things.
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Feb 18, 2010 03:15
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Fucken_Gieux posted:You know, the whole deal with her presenting herself as the confident champion against shallow and judgemental McCool will not sit as well with me knowing she does these desperate things. Her vagina is plastered all over the internet and this is what makes you disappointed in her?
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Feb 18, 2010 03:19
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Burrito posted:Her vagina is plastered all over the internet and this is what makes you disappointed in her? Fair enough, but argument stands.
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Feb 18, 2010 03:32
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Fucken_Gieux posted:You know, the whole deal with her presenting herself as the confident champion against shallow and judgemental McCool will not sit as well with me knowing she does these desperate things. Granted, the video I linked too place years ago.
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Feb 18, 2010 03:45
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I dunno about piped in chants. You see matches on TV with really dead crowds all the time. Why would they leave those on TV as-is, if they had the option to dress them up with some noise?
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Feb 18, 2010 04:36
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Minidust posted:I dunno about piped in chants. You see matches on TV with really dead crowds all the time. Why would they leave those on TV as-is, if they had the option to dress them up with some noise? They also do (or did, at least) really long tapings which is why the enthusiasm of crowds for Superstars varies so much, as the matches may have taken part at different times/days at different points of REALLY long tapings with the crowd getting burned out in the process.
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Feb 18, 2010 04:38
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Minidust posted:I dunno about piped in chants. You see matches on TV with really dead crowds all the time. Why would they leave those on TV as-is, if they had the option to dress them up with some noise? It's a good question, and if I had to think of an answer it would be that most of the time they're still trying to gauge fan reaction to some things, where as with others they need fan reaction to go or at least sound like it's going in a specific direction, and if it isn't they pipe in chants so it appears like it does.
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Feb 18, 2010 04:38
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The noise can be added as part of a wrestler's entrance music and you would never know it.
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Feb 18, 2010 04:40
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Jerusalem posted:The best thing about the piped in chants/cheers is that it gives people an excuse to dismiss the quality of wrestlers they dislike, as they can claim that "it's been piped in!" when it gets pointed out how over they are. Didn't someone post a quote like a week ago from somebody who claimed the reaction to Cena's Royal Rumble return was piped-in?
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Feb 18, 2010 04:59
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tzirean posted:Didn't someone post a quote like a week ago from somebody who claimed the reaction to Cena's Royal Rumble return was piped-in? and tons of people on this very forum refuted that bullshit
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Feb 18, 2010 05:01
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dusty udder smoker posted:and tons of people on this very forum refuted that bullshit Oh, yeah, it was absolutely bullshit, I just remembered it as "hey, this is a thing we just talked about."
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Feb 18, 2010 05:19
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Did they ban the tree of woe from WWE? I just realized I haven't seen anyone use that move in forever.
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Feb 18, 2010 06:28
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LightsGameraAction posted:Did they ban the tree of woe from WWE? I just realized I haven't seen anyone use that move in forever. Have you watched any ECW at all?
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Feb 18, 2010 06:34
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KungFu Grip posted:Have you watched any ECW at all? I don't get syfy 
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Feb 18, 2010 06:49
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LightsGameraAction posted:Did they ban the tree of woe from WWE? I just realized I haven't seen anyone use that move in forever. Punk did it to Mysterio last week on Smackdown. Then he went for a baseball slide but Rey sat up and Punk broke his balls on the ring post.
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Feb 18, 2010 07:01
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LightsGameraAction posted:Did they ban the tree of woe from WWE? I just realized I haven't seen anyone use that move in forever. ***This spot has been reserved for Low Ki***
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Feb 18, 2010 07:02
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Take 6,000 back bumps a year but for God's sake don't dangle upside-down.
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Feb 18, 2010 12:29
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What happened between Randy Savage and WWE that causes him to be loathed so much by the company? I am predisposed to take the "Macho raped Stephanie" rumors with a grain of salt.
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Feb 18, 2010 19:19
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crankdatbatman posted:What happened between Randy Savage and WWE that causes him to be loathed so much by the company? I am predisposed to take the "Macho raped Stephanie" rumors with a grain of salt. The best intelligence I've ever heard on this is that Macho left on bad, or less than ideal, terms and has become something of a crazy old coot who stays away from WWE, meaning that trying to collaborate with him on anything is effectively impossible.
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Feb 18, 2010 19:37
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crankdatbatman posted:I am predisposed to take the "Macho raped Stephanie" rumors with a grain of salt.
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Feb 18, 2010 19:52
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crankdatbatman posted:What happened between Randy Savage and WWE that causes him to be loathed so much by the company? I am predisposed to take the "Macho raped Stephanie" rumors with a grain of salt. according to steamboat it was some bs over slim jim commercial royalties
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Feb 18, 2010 20:06
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dusty udder smoker posted:according to steamboat it was some bs over slim jim commercial royalties I originally read this as being over Macho raping Stephanie. ...whoa, someone likes his slim jim royalties.
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Feb 18, 2010 20:13
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dusty udder smoker posted:according to steamboat it was some bs over slim jim commercial royalties THats what i heard too. I think it was that Vince felt because Macho was a WWE employee, Vince should get some of the money from thoes commercials. Actucaly that leads to two questions 1: Has WWE Talent being classified as Independent contractors always been the norm? 2: How long was Macho the spokesman for SlimJims?
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Feb 18, 2010 21:23
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Critical posted:The silly thing is it was part of a loving awesome multi-year feud that FMW was famous for. Check it: Going back to this, the blow off match features in Botchamania 118 - Shawn botches that last promo (and some other stuff)
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Feb 18, 2010 21:31
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BigRed0427 posted:THats what i heard too. I think it was that Vince felt because Macho was a WWE employee, Vince should get some of the money from thoes commercials. It's another part of the wonderful world of double-standards in wrestling. Macho Man was an "independent contractor", then he independently went and got himself a sponsorship deal and then independently went off and got a new contract paying more money at a different company and Vince got upset. I don't subscribe to the idea that Vince "hates everything he didn't personally create" but I do subscribe to the idea that Vince "hates being reminded that some people can succeed on their own" and was infuriated that Macho Man would be so "ungrateful" as to use his success in WWF to garner money for himself.
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Feb 18, 2010 22:03
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Yeah I was never a big Sting fan but poo poo like that makes me really love the fact that he has had an incredibly successful career and never once worked for Vince McMahon. edit: unless you count the last nitro which I don't and you shouldn't either.
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Feb 18, 2010 22:14
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Jerusalem posted:It's another part of the wonderful world of double-standards in wrestling. Macho Man was an "independent contractor", then he independently went and got himself a sponsorship deal and then independently went off and got a new contract paying more money at a different company and Vince got upset.
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Feb 18, 2010 22:20
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:The best intelligence I've ever heard on this is that Macho left on bad, or less than ideal, terms and has become something of a crazy old coot who stays away from WWE, meaning that trying to collaborate with him on anything is effectively impossible. Based purely on reading Savage's wiki, it sounded to me like he left on pretty good terms, he got a send-off speech from Vince. Maybe I'm misinterpreting things.
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Feb 19, 2010 00:46
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Jerusalem posted:It's another part of the wonderful world of double-standards in wrestling. Macho Man was an "independent contractor", then he independently went and got himself a sponsorship deal and then independently went off and got a new contract paying more money at a different company and Vince got upset. This is all a lot to get worked up over, given that it's a peculiar circumstance if it is true. Somehow I doubt Vince garnished Captain Lou's paycheck when he did that Cyndi Lauper video, or became Mario. He was reportedly upset with the Rock when he played a gay character in Be Cool, leading to a couple of years of no word on the Rock or Vince ever working together again (culminating in that stupid poo poo where John Cena repeatedly called out the Rock), but by then Vince wasn't getting producer credits on Rock movies.
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Feb 19, 2010 01:42
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:He was reportedly upset with the Rock when he played a gay character in Be Cool, leading to a couple of years of no word on the Rock or Vince ever working together again (culminating in that stupid poo poo where John Cena repeatedly called out the Rock), but by then Vince wasn't getting producer credits on Rock movies. I thought the anger between The Rock and Vince was that Vince was under the impression Rock owed him any appearance in any capacity he asked for since the WWE made him a star and Rock understandably laughed at him, not any one particular role.
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Free Market Gravy posted:I thought the anger between The Rock and Vince was that Vince was under the impression Rock owed him any appearance in any capacity he asked for since the WWE made him a star and Rock understandably laughed at him, not any one particular role. I'm sorry, I don't buy that Vince thinks like this until I see an actual Dave quote at the very least. Up until this point I've been under the impression that the Rock wanted to avoid WWE because he wanted to focus on a real movie career, and wasn't interested in doing one-offs between shoots, or remaining deeply associated with wrestling and having that limit his career prospects. Even now, all we can ostensibly look forward to is the Rock hosting Raw, which will surely be a cross-promotion even then. Of course I'm not disputing that wrestling contracts are lovely, of course. Vince demanding kickbacks is just a little hard to swallow.
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