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MassRayPer posted:I don't think it had anything to do with the Bret build. It seemed to be a storyline that was leading somewhere important and then just petered out. Doing such a weak rehash of Montreal 3 months before you are going to bring up the real thing is really really dumb, for their sakes I hope they didn't think Bret was likely to come in at the time. I think the fact that they hinted that Vince was behind it and he denied it all the time yet everyone knew it was him and there was no comeuppance against him except for Bret getting name dropped seems like a possible build up. I'm pretty sure a couple of times when others brought it up to Vince about Bret and Taker's situations seeming similar Vince out right said he deserved to be screwed or Bret Screwed Bret, while Teddy, Armstrong, and Punk Screwed Taker. vvvYeah that's what I assumed. It seemed like it was building up to someone big coming around and giving Vince his yearly rear end kicking. KungFu Grip fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Feb 23, 2010 |
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MassRayPer posted:I don't think it had anything to do with the Bret build. It seemed to be a storyline that was leading somewhere important and then just petered out. Doing such a weak rehash of Montreal 3 months before you are going to bring up the real thing is really really dumb, for their sakes I hope they didn't think Bret was likely to come in at the time. I think they were pushing an angle where Vince was basically an out of control egomaniac (big change in direction there!) lording it up over people - I recall at least two instances where his shenanigans caused somebody to want a match against him (Piper being one of them) and Vince laughed them of as not worthy of his attention. My impression was that they were planting the seeds of a storyline leading into Mania that they HOPED would involve Bret Hart, but could also have easily involved somebody else like for example Hogan or Austin or hell, even Cena if it came down to it. Pure conjecture though, it's just the impression I got.
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I was always under the impression that they were originally going for Taker-Vince at Wrestlemania.
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Guzim posted:I was always under the impression that they were originally going for Taker-Vince at Wrestlemania. I felt like they were setting up a Punk as Vince's favorite storyline which seemed like it might be a part of a long term Punk vs Undertaker program, but it sure didn't play out that way!
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I was reading a fluff piece about the biggest upsets in sports, and it got me thinking. What is the biggest upset in modern day wrestling (since Hogan won the WWF Title from the Iron Sheik)?
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Rusty Shackelford posted:I was reading a fluff piece about the biggest upsets in sports, and it got me thinking. What is the biggest upset in modern day wrestling (since Hogan won the WWF Title from the Iron Sheik)? Hart (an upper midcarder at best) beating Flair for the WWF title on a house show. Either that or... Russo or Arquette winning the WCW title.
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MassRayPer posted:Hart (an upper midcarder at best) beating Flair for the WWF title on a house show. I had been thinking the Lightning Kid beating Razor Ramon would probably be the biggest one, but that Hart title win came out of nowhere and you're right about his position at the time. Hart beating Flair in 1992 is like if The Miz or John Morrison beat Cena at a house show today. I agree that both Russo and Arquette are undeserving champions, but at that point in WCW, that type of stuff was almost projected.
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Rusty Shackelford posted:I had been thinking the Lightning Kid beating Razor Ramon would probably be the biggest one, but that Hart title win came out of nowhere and you're right about his position at the time. Hart beating Flair in 1992 is like if The Miz or John Morrison beat Cena at a house show today. More like if Ted DiBiase beat Triple H
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MassRayPer posted:Hart (an upper midcarder at best) beating Flair for the WWF title on a house show. What should they have done? Flair gave notice that he was leaving, Raw didn't exist back then, the next PPV was about 6 weeks away and Vince was being investigated for supplying steroids. I know a lot of people on this board hate Bret Hart but he was over with the crowd and they needed someone to step up.
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Rush Hour Renegade posted:What should they have done? Flair gave notice that he was leaving, Raw didn't exist back then, the next PPV was about 6 weeks away and Vince was being investigated for supplying steroids. I know a lot of people on this board hate Bret Hart but he was over with the crowd and they needed someone to step up. I don't think anyone was faulting them for doing it  The question was about the biggest upsets in history. Bret winning definitely qualifies as one just because he wasn't in the title picture at the time and no one would have expected him to win.
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Rush Hour Renegade posted:What should they have done? Flair gave notice that he was leaving, Raw didn't exist back then, the next PPV was about 6 weeks away and Vince was being investigated for supplying steroids. I know a lot of people on this board hate Bret Hart but he was over with the crowd and they needed someone to step up. Flair left in January. I thought Flair dropped the belt because Flair had a potentially career-threatening inner-ear condition and Vince needed to get the belt off of him right away.
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Rush Hour Renegade posted:What should they have done? Flair gave notice that he was leaving, Raw didn't exist back then, the next PPV was about 6 weeks away and Vince was being investigated for supplying steroids. I know a lot of people on this board hate Bret Hart but he was over with the crowd and they needed someone to step up. What the gently caress? I'm not saying it was a bad idea. He asked what the biggest upset of all time is, and Bret Hart beating Ric Flair sure qualifies, especially on a house show when no one expected it. It was so unexpected that Dave Meltzer blew off the first few people who reported it to him, and only when wrestlers started calling him did he realize it was true. Flair didn't give notice he was leaving. He was potentially retiring because of an inner ear condition that destroyed his equilibrium. He had to drop the belt and Bret was a good choice given the circumstances.
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Rush Hour Renegade posted:What should they have done? Flair gave notice that he was leaving, Raw didn't exist back then, the next PPV was about 6 weeks away and Vince was being investigated for supplying steroids. I know a lot of people on this board hate Bret Hart but he was over with the crowd and they needed someone to step up. You're mixing up three or four stories. Vince always intended to put the belt on Bret. It happened slightly earlier than expected because a blown Warrior suplex gave Flair vertigo and he needed time off, so he dropped the belt to Bret a couple days later and then flew to get treated. Bret beat Flair in early October. Flair went on to compete at Survivor Series and Royal Rumble, and asked for his release in January. Vince granted it, with the famous condition that Flair lose the RAW Loser Leaves Town match to Perfect and finish all the house shows he'd been advertised for, which Flair had no problem doing. EDIT: Or what the guys above me said.
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MassRayPer posted:What the gently caress? I'm not saying it was a bad idea. He asked what the biggest upset of all time is, and Bret Hart beating Ric Flair sure qualifies, especially on a house show when no one expected it. It was so unexpected that Dave Meltzer blew off the first few people who reported it to him, and only when wrestlers started calling him did he realize it was true. Sorry, but you called him an upper mid-carder at best so I assumed you thought this was a bad idea. Edit: Wouldn't Jericho beating both Austin and The Rock in the same night to unify the titles be the biggest upset ever?
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Rush Hour Renegade posted:Edit: Wouldn't Jericho beating both Austin and The Rock in the same night to unify the titles be the biggest upset ever?
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MassRayPer posted:Flair didn't give notice he was leaving. He was potentially retiring because of an inner ear condition that destroyed his equilibrium. He had to drop the belt and Bret was a good choice given the circumstances. I think that was a few weeks after he dropped the title. The reason Hart got it was because Vince decided that he didn't want a heel champ and needed to switch it ASAP, but Hogan and Warrior were both gone.
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WeaselWeaz posted:I think that was a few weeks after he dropped the title. The reason Hart got it was because Vince decided that he didn't want a heel champ and needed to switch it ASAP, but Hogan and Warrior were both gone. No, Flair's ear injury was suffered at the hands of Warrior a few days before hand and was the reason the title change with Hart didn't feature him bumping around like a mad man.
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Owen over Bret at WM10
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dusty udder smoker posted:aldo montoya over jerry lawler Only an upset if it took place in Memphis.
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For those who know how was Wendi Richter screwed? I think I must have been a child or under 6 years old at that time.
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Gatts posted:For those who know how was Wendi Richter screwed? I think I must have been a child or under 6 years old at that time. Hadn't signed a new deal so they put her in a match with a masked jobber. The jobber rolled her up and the ref counted the worst three-count ever (TNA included) to give the belt to the jobber who turned out to be Moolah.
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Gatts posted:For those who know how was Wendi Richter screwed? I think I must have been a child or under 6 years old at that time. Two or three people posted footage of it in the GDT but basically she was wrestling against "The Spider Lady" in a match, Spider Lady rolled her up in a small package, which she kicked out of, but the ref counted 3 anyways, and the Spider Lady won the title. The Spider Lady was Moolah in a mask.
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The Kid over Razor Ramon EDIT: That was posted already. Don't care 
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This might actually be a bigger upset than Hart/Flair: Misawa beating Jumbo in June of 1990 in his first Budokan main event. It launched Misawa's career to the stratusphere and wasn't decided upon until the day of the show. He had just dropped the Tiger Mask gimmick a month before. While not close to that for historical signficance I remember being pretty shocked when Marufuji beat Akiyama for the GHC title in 2006.
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Maybe not one of the biggest all time, but I don't think anyone thought Sheamus was going to win the title from Cena.
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MassRayPer posted:While not close to that for historical signficance I remember being pretty shocked when Marufuji beat Akiyama for the GHC title in 2006. Wasn't this also shockingly quick, like 5 minutes?
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Wazzu posted:Wasn't this also shockingly quick, like 5 minutes? No, it was a full length NOAH main event. You might be thinking of when Morishima defended the ROH title in the Budokan against KENTA in like, 9 minutes.
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It was entirely meaningless to both their careers but I find it funny that Tito Santana beat The Undertaker.
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MassRayPer posted:No, it was a full length NOAH main event. You might be thinking of when Morishima defended the ROH title in the Budokan against KENTA in like, 9 minutes. That match was brutal and fast paced enough to understand, they couldn't go any longer.
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GOP posted:That match was brutal and fast paced enough to understand, they couldn't go any longer. Yeah, I didn't mind that either. It was like when Joe and AJ went 12 in AJ's last ROH match, or Joe and Angle went 12 in their first match. You can only throw bombs and kick out of moves for so long before it gets old.
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would Rey Jr beating Kevin Nash count as an upset, or was it booked too shittily for it to count as anything at all?
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Speaking of Jericho unifying the world titles, how long did the champion carry the WCW and WWF title belts before they introduced the WWE Undisputed title?
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It was an upset that they went on to do absolutely nothing with, yet nash will bring up all the time. Something he learned from Hogan and Kidman.
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bradzilla posted:Speaking of Jericho unifying the world titles, how long did the champion carry the WCW and WWF title belts before they introduced the WWE Undisputed title? I remember HHH wearing both around his waist, but I'm pretty sure he was the first to use just one belt. I can't remember Hogan, Taker or Lesnar carrying two, but this is wild speculation on my part.
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Trips won on March 17, Ric Flair debuted the new belt on April 1.
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I hate the "beat the champion to get a title shot" booking that happens a lot. I feel like that's a relatively recent phenomenon (like, late-'90s). Did they actually do that a lot in the olden days and I just don't remember it?
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