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Capsaicin posted:Literally, the only bad thing I have ever heard about Cena is this board during the 2005/2006 "WE HATE CENARARLAJ" phase. In his prime, the same was said about Hogan.
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Davros1 posted:In his prime, the same was said about Hogan. Hogan's always been very nice to his fans and 90 percent of the evil things he does are basically things that any ambitious and successful person does in any walk of life. I personally don't consider him a bad person for exploiting Turners idiocy or keeping down young talent that never amounted to much even when he wasn't around. His kids are moron assholes but that happens a lot.
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Rankine Over Gash posted:Also I am thinking of ordering WM 26 simply for the Hart McMahon bout. Will it be as awesome as I am imaging in my Bret Smark dreams? Bret can't bump and Vince is 65 now, so no The match will be horrible, but as long as it has a satisfying ending like Bret snapping Vince's back in the sharpshooter, people will be happy (plus HBK/Taker and Cena/Batista should be awesome enough to justify the price)
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How hilarious would that be if Bret really was harboring a grudge and decided to stretch Vince with the sharpshooter and tear his quad or break his loving leg? I'd laugh.
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Supreme Allah posted:Hogan's always been very nice to his fans and 90 percent of the evil things he does are basically things that any ambitious and successful person does in any walk of life. I personally don't consider him a bad person for exploiting Turners idiocy or keeping down young talent that never amounted to much even when he wasn't around. His kids are moron assholes but that happens a lot. I think time, and specifically his response to his son's car accident, has exposed Hogan as a selfish and shallow man. That doesn't mean he's evil, but when he's not "on" (which he makes sure to be around fans/kids), he's a dick. That's a byproduct of life as a carny, I imagine.
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Hogan seems to be really nice to fans and a real shithead when it comes to his personal life, which I think describes most of the guys from his era outside of absolute psychopaths like Warrior.
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inconsequential posted:How hilarious would that be if Bret really was harboring a grudge and decided to stretch Vince with the sharpshooter and tear his quad or break his loving leg? I'd laugh. It would be hilarious if either one of them shot on the other. Bret buries the hatchet with Vince and Shawn, and then goes through this whole angle and comeback to just get the chance to knock out Vince again in real life "on the biggest stage of them all". Or Vince goes to the trouble of finally talking Bret to come back to WWE just to screw him over again "on the biggest stage of them all" over 10 years later for shits and giggles. Unfortunately I think they're too professional to do that. 
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crankdatbatman posted:Is John Cena one of those babyface super assholes? b/c I got the impression he was a nice guy. I'm pretty sure if you e-mailed John Cena and asked him to fly out to your house so you could say hi, he'd check his schedule and only decline if he had plans. And then he'd try to reschedule.
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Free Market Gravy posted:I'm pretty sure if you e-mailed John Cena and asked him to fly out to your house so you could say hi, he'd check his schedule and only decline if he had plans. Also, he'd probably bring pizza.
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Why did WWE lose the Attitude? I am under the impression that WWE had its best ratings when they were edgier.
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sondarby posted:Why did WWE lose the Attitude? I am under the impression that WWE had its best ratings when they were edgier. its best, and some of its worst. It was never "edgier" than the necrophilia angle in 2002, and its ratings were in the crapper for that one. Also, Linda McMahon is running for senate, so the product is being made as clean as possible.
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They started to decline in popularity while they were still ostensibly pushing the "edgier" Attitude content so there wasn't really a direct correlation. In addition to Linda running for the Senate, there's also the probability that they realized a large portion of their remaining audience was younger kids, so they toned things down to keep it acceptable enough for them to watch. Ironically I think most of that Attitude era stuff appeals more to kids and teenagers than adults. I thought it was great when I was in junior high and high school, but looking back a lot of it was boring and crude just for the sake of being crude. Not that I don't miss aspects of it sometimes now, but lazy writing is lazy writing whether or not there's a dick joke included in it.
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The attitude reputation also kept away some advertisers I think. That said, most PPVs now seem to be sponsored by the National Guard so I have no idea what's going on. Anyway, a question: I just noticed that Backlash 2002 had Undertaker vs Stone Cold. What was the story behind this match, I honestly can't recall anything about it which seems strange given their high profiles. I'm guessing this was just before Taker got the title and Austin left?
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reality_groove posted:Anyway, a question: I just noticed that Backlash 2002 had Undertaker vs Stone Cold. What was the story behind this match, I honestly can't recall anything about it which seems strange given their high profiles. I'm guessing this was just before Taker got the title and Austin left?
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reality_groove posted:The attitude reputation also kept away some advertisers I think. That said, most PPVs now seem to be sponsored by the National Guard so I have no idea what's going on. Perhaps, when the Draft comes, wrestlers go first.
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Writer Cath posted:Perhaps, when the Draft comes, wrestlers go first. They will be going! They'll be going to either Raw or Smackdown! 
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PlasticSpoon posted:What is the lowest rating RAW has ever gotten? And what was the summary of the show? was sometime in october 1996, they scored like a 1.8 or so.
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The 1.8 was for the October 14th show which had the following card.onlineworldofwrestling posted:Vader def Phinneas I. Godwinn, Jake "The Snake" Roberts def Jerry "The King" Lawler (Roberts came to the ring and tricked Lawler by faking being drunk), Freddie Joe Floyd (Tracy Smothers) def Hunter Hearst Helmsley by Countout (Mr. Perfect came down and stole HHH's valet), Farooq def Alex "The Pug" Porteau (Sunny joined Jim Ross & Kevin Kelly on commentary), Shawn Michaels w/Jose Lothario def Steve Austin by DQ.
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Skinty McEdger posted:The 1.8 was for the October 14th show which had the following card. Hahaha Austin vs. Michaels main evented the lowest rated RAW ever
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HHH was not kidding when he said losing to Ultimate Warrior sent him into a pit of despair. Losing, even via count out to Smothers at that point in his career. drat.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Jake "The Snake" Roberts def Jerry "The King" Lawler (Roberts came to the ring and tricked Lawler by faking being drunk I wonder how much he was actually faking it? Or was he not drunk and just high on crack?
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sportsgenius86 posted:I hate Triple H because everything about him is so forced and contrived. Let's take off the smark glasses for a minute and look at this objectively. You make valid points but they still reek of "BLARGH I HATE THIS GUY." He gets heat. Maybe not consistently, but he gets heat. His most bore-snore snoozefests that we refer to are his WrestleMania matches at X-8 and 25, but let's remember they main-evented after two of the most rowdy matches in the history of the event. Whether he's face or heel, he gets reactions. He was booed constantly during his reign of terror and the McMahon-Helmsley days. He got one of the most raucous welcome-back receptions ever when he came back in '02 and he's been one of the most consistently over faces in the business since he came back at SummerSlam in '07. And hey, he gets the internet raging whenever he shows up, so that has to be worth something. He's been a focal point of two of the most well-known and successful stables of all time. He was generally known as Shawn Michaels' lackey in the earlier phases of D-Generation X, but after Michaels' hand was forced and he had to retire, HHH took the helm (pun unintentional) as the leader of the group. The NAO and X-Pac were huge at the time but you're kidding yourself if they could've kept DX afloat as the figureheads. And if any of them tried bringing back DX in 2006 it would've been a laughable failure. DX was brought back and remained a force in kayfabe, TV time, and merchandise sales because of Michaels AND Triple H. The Evolution name gave legitimacy to everyone associated. It brought Ric Flair as much heel heat as he's ever had and it directly launched Randy Orton and Batista into main event legitimacy. And HHH was the guy they spearheaded it with because let's face it, Flair on the mic means accidental face turn, so they gave it to the guy who Gets Heat. With incredibly few exceptions on much smaller scales, you don't get to his level if the crowd doesn't care about you. Period. Just because a bunch of smarks on a message board think he's boring doesn't mean he can't get a reaction. Enough people think he's entertaining to react to him accordingly during matches and promos, and it makes the company money, so from a business perspective, who gives a gently caress what a non-paying minority thinks?
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CM Junk posted:The Evolution name gave legitimacy to everyone associated. It brought Ric Flair as much heel heat as he's ever had this is so wrong that the word wrong fails to express how wrong this is
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Dylar Addict posted:this is so wrong that the word wrong fails to express how wrong this is Yeah, I can't even conceive the thought process that leads to those last twelve words being put there in that order.
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Triple H hasn't done anything cool or interesting since 2000 and he's not on the same plane as Austin and the Rock (or Flair and Hogan) when it comes to stars.
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Dylar Addict posted:this is so wrong that the word wrong fails to express how wrong this is tzirean posted:Yeah, I can't even conceive the thought process that leads to those last twelve words being put there in that order. Poor wording then. I didn't mean that Ric Flair was the most over he's ever been as a heel in 2003-04. That's just dumb. Satire Forum Mom posted:Triple H hasn't done anything cool or interesting since 2000 and he's not on the same plane as Austin and the Rock (or Flair and Hogan) when it comes to stars. Thanks for your eloquent, well-thought-out contribution to the conversation.
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CM Junk posted:Poor wording then. I didn't mean that Ric Flair was the most over he's ever been as a heel in 2003-04. That's just dumb. We know you didn't mean that, you said it was when he had his most heel heat, which is equally wrong as all hell
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Satire Forum Mom posted:Triple H hasn't done anything cool or interesting since 2000 and he's not on the same plane as Austin and the Rock (or Flair and Hogan) when it comes to stars. As ridiculous as it sounds Triple H was the one keeping the substance alive over the style when it was Rock/HHH/Austin main eventing and before Kurt came along. If you saw more than 4 distinctly different wrestling moves in a main event in the late 90's it was because Triple H was in the main event. It's why he was my favorite at the time. The dude could actually loving wrestle. Rock and Austin were entertaining when they cut promos but apart from that what were they good for? Punching and hitting their signature moves.
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Dylar Addict posted:We know you didn't mean that, you said it was when he had his most heel heat, which is equally wrong as all hell In my defense I started watching in '02 and I don't give a gently caress  Regardless, I concede I said a dumb thing. My other points stand. LightsGameraAction posted:As ridiculous as it sounds Triple H was the one keeping the substance alive over the style when it was Rock/HHH/Austin main eventing and before Kurt came along. And even though that's HHH's style now, it's because he's getting old and is still being called on to main event shows on a regular schedule. He's working safe while still giving most fans what they want. I really don't know how you can hate on a guy for that other than "he isn't entertaining ME." Dr. Ass fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Mar 17, 2010 |
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LightsGameraAction posted:It's why he was my favorite at the time. The dude could actually loving wrestle. Rock and Austin were entertaining when they cut promos but apart from that what were they good for? Punching and hitting their signature moves. You can get away with saying that about Rock to a point. His matches were more simple and built more around the entertainment front. But Austin, despite his rep as the punchy-kicky stomp-a-mudhole-in-the-corner guy later in his career due to his neck injury, was a hell of a worker. I watched most RAWs from 97-99 not too long ago, usually skipping the unbelievably atrocious undercard bullshit, and Austin could still go as far as the steak versus the sizzle argument goes. No, he wasn't what he used to be before the Owendriver '97 or during his "Stunning" Steve days, but he was in there leaving it in the ring. And on PPV, you could always count on a high-caliber bout. It was something that always stood out to me about Austin, who clearly wanted to work at a high level even when he didn't have to. He could have gone out every night, punched his opponent a few times, hit his forearm/elbow drop thing, picked the dude up and stunned him, but instead he would take suplexes on the ramp, hard bumps to the floor, go off the middle rope, and it likely wound up costing him a few years of his career. Even though he could have just phoned it in each night. And then there's his insane heel run, including the multiple german suplexes from Benoit, amongst other awesome moments.
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CM Junk posted:I really don't know how you can hate on a guy for that other than "he isn't entertaining ME." How is this not the singular most valid and relevant criticism of an entertainment medium?
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FishBulb posted:How is this not the singular most valid and relevant criticism of an entertainment medium? The guy is a company man, married into the business and will likely run the place with his wife after Vince is gone. He's experienced, both new and old fans know who he is, he's not likely to disappear or retire in the next few years - unlike Michaels, 'Taker, Batista - and he works safe. All while being probably the second highest merch mover in the business (I'd hazard a guess that Cena moves more). If he doesn't entertain you, fine, he's never been a favourite of mine either. But a lot of the hate stems from people thinking he's legitimately killing wrestling, and he just isn't.
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Shegetz posted:Because of the implied (and often explicitly stated) hyperbole of "well he doesn't entertain me and that's why he's killing the business". Nobody said this.
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Free Market Gravy posted:I'm pretty sure if you e-mailed John Cena and asked him to fly out to your house so you could say hi, he'd check his schedule and only decline if he had plans. Didn't someone on the forums give John Cena a box of Colgate to sign and he did so without hesitation?
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Austin respect Not to mention the sudden resurgence of technical wrestling!Austin during his heel run.
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CM Junk posted:He's been a focal point of two of the most well-known and successful stables of all time. He was generally known as Shawn Michaels' lackey in the earlier phases of D-Generation X, but after Michaels' hand was forced and he had to retire, HHH took the helm (pun unintentional) as the leader of the group. The NAO and X-Pac were huge at the time but you're kidding yourself if they could've kept DX afloat as the figureheads. And if any of them tried bringing back DX in 2006 it would've been a laughable failure. DX was brought back and remained a force in kayfabe, TV time, and merchandise sales because of Michaels AND Triple H. I think if Shawn Michaels did a DX reunion in the WWE with - not that they're terrific wrestlers - Chyna, Pac, Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, Nash and/or Hall, it would've still been hotcakes. Maybe even if the WWE only had four or five of those guys without HBK in 2006 - 2009. Man imagine if Triple H had stayed with Chyna... he'd be the one crashing reality TV shows, filming porn in china, and doing the lovely VKM/Band knockoff brands in TNA. Going from Chyna to Stephanie was like going from Corey Haim to David Beckham.
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Burrito posted:Third biggest merch mover: Funaki He works at the warehouse.
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