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Linedance posted:Does it have to be a V-twin? Not at all. 
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Hmm, apples oranges and stuff. You're misinterpreting "handles well" with "goes around corners fast", which to you might make sense. But there are plenty of bikes that go around corners mightily fast that can't handle in city traffic worth a drat compared to a typical commuter scoot. So a scooter handles better than a supersport? Maybe, depends on context.
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Coredump posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YrK688JE54 The CX500 in stock form is a standard. And it's a pretty lovely handling standard at that. I should know, I owned one. It was fun, in it's own sort of bumbly little way, but it wasn't a "performance motorcycle"...and that guy's demonstration of it's fantastic, 40 foot wide turning radius isn't doing it any favors. Here's a motorcycle that can corner and is a standard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTO2s7wyrFs You could put crazy pegs on it and bars that pulled back to your balls and it'd out handle any cruiser out there. You'd look like a moron on it, but that's subjective anyways, we're all just fags dancing around in leather suits anyways. I don't know what you're trying to prove here. Depending on how you stretch it, you can make a bike that can corner have "relaxed ergos", depending on your definition, or you can have relaxed ergos, and have it not be a cruiser. Which is, again, why I asked what your definition of "relaxed" is. The BMW might fall under that catagory, it might still not resemble a lazy boy enough to make the purists happy. VTNewb, your bike has all the trick parts but they're set up pretty funny for cornering, stock 
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Mar 16, 2010 00:29
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Z3n posted:VTNewb, your bike has all the trick parts but they're set up pretty funny for cornering, stock Oh for sure, but it's pretty hard to beat as a baseline if you're in the 3-4g price range. They just don't make em like that anywhere, even Harley anymore.
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VTNewb posted:Oh for sure, but it's pretty hard to beat as a baseline if you're in the 3-4g price range. They just don't make em like that anywhere, even Harley anymore. Absolutely. Plus when you build one up they look fantastic... Linedance posted:Hmm, apples oranges and stuff. You're misinterpreting "handles well" with "goes around corners fast", which to you might make sense. But there are plenty of bikes that go around corners mightily fast that can't handle in city traffic worth a drat compared to a typical commuter scoot. So a scooter handles better than a supersport? Maybe, depends on context. In what context does a cruiser "handle well", compared to anything? Scooters/sumos outhandle them in the city, sportbikes or standards will destroy them down a twisty road. In fact, the thing that they're best at is slowing down, thanks to a long wheelbase and very favorable weight distribution. But that's about it. Which is why when someone says "I want a good handling cruiser", mass confusion and flame wars result. The whole thing about cruisers is their relaxed steering geometry, low seats, and Z3n fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Mar 16, 2010 |
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Mar 16, 2010 00:37
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Z3n posted:Here's a motorcycle that can corner and is a standard. putting wider bars on an otherwise normal VFR400 doesn't make it a standard any more than putting crazy pegs and ball bars on it would make it a cruiser 
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Mar 16, 2010 00:42
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Z3n posted:Absolutely. Plus when you build one up they look fantastic... imagine choosing a Rolls Royce over a Maybach because it handles better. Now imagine having the kind of money where it's a legitimate decision...... Sorry, lost track for a moment there.
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^^ And how would you know that you prefered the superior driving experience of the maybach? You'd go Linedance posted:putting wider bars on an otherwise normal VFR400 doesn't make it a standard any more than putting crazy pegs and ball bars on it would make it a cruiser  It doesn't have bars, it has clipons.
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Z3n posted:In fact, the thing that they're best at is slowing down, thanks to a long wheelbase and very favorable weight distribution. They handle roads like this one better than any other type of bike out there. 
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Mar 16, 2010 00:53
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Z3n posted:I was trying to bow out of the conversation and post a funny picture and video in the picture and video thread. But I guess you missed it. You're kinda like the terminator of arguers though. Listen, and understand. Z3n is out there. He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until he gets the last word in.
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Shot of the Bandit in basically pitch black. Click to embiggen
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Man I remember when this thread was fun, and about pictures and videos. Pics of most of my bikes in order of owning them.  Click here for the full 1280x960 image.  Click here for the full 1280x960 image.  Click here for the full 1536x1152 image.  Click here for the full 1229x922 image. and 2 current  Click here for the full 604x453 image.  Click here for the full 626x825 image.
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Here's a pretty cool bike. The best part is the engine. It's a mid 70s Honda CB550, the transmission is a BMW 4 speed R75 gear set in a Cook modified BMW R25 3 speed case with a Yamaha Virago shaft drive assembly. Might not wanna take it out at night, though. http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2010/03/10/rambler-inline-4-from-cook-customs/#comments Slim Pickens fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Mar 16, 2010 |
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Mar 16, 2010 04:00
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Here's the new Bimota Moto2 bike: I think it's pretty loving kickass. The exhaust is bizarre but I love it. Z3n fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Mar 16, 2010 |
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Mar 16, 2010 05:23
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No hub-steering? I was really looking forward to that from bimota. 
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Coredump posted:I was trying to bow out of the conversation and post a funny picture and video in the picture and video thread. But I guess you missed it. You're kinda like the terminator of arguers though. A couple of months ago Zen contradicted himself (about average street dude using the full potential of a modern super bike) and spent 8000 words arguing with himself. One could only back away in abject terror. True story. RSV4 in Alitalia livery: 
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Does anyone have that link to a thread on another forum made by a Japanese man who was putting together a ridiculously detailed model of a Rossi bike? My senior design class is putting together 1/3 scale models of our bike designs and that would be some awesome inspiration.
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Slim Pickens posted:No hub-steering? I was really looking forward to that from bimota. Apparently Bimota doesn't actually have any hub steering guys, they just contracted Vyrus to design it for them.  In any event, I strongly suspect there will be a hub-centre steered bike in Moto2 at some point.
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ranathari posted:Apparently Bimota doesn't actually have any hub steering guys, they just contracted Vyrus to design it for them. No, Bimota do their own design. The guy who came up with the Tesi started Vyrus.
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Z3n posted:No one's disagreeing that some handle better than others, the point is that when you say "I want to corner/go fast" and "I want a cruiser", those 2 statements are basically mutually exclusive if you compare them to any other non-cruiser made. I grant you cornering ability, but there are fast cruisers. Yes, I know not supersport fast, but not every cruiser's a wallowing pig. The problem is you keep arguing apples and oranges. You can't just make a blanket statement like "cruisers don't handle well" and then assume that "...compared to a sport bike" is understood. I don't think anyone is debating that a cruiser handles like a supersport. There are cruisers that handle well enough and are fast enough to get get you in lots of trouble on the street.
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eggyolk posted:Does anyone have that link to a thread on another forum made by a Japanese man who was putting together a ridiculously detailed model of a Rossi bike? My senior design class is putting together 1/3 scale models of our bike designs and that would be some awesome inspiration. http://www.mobile01.com/newsdetail.php?id=5933 There's the link, but it looks like the pictures are gone. I don't moonspeak, so I can't figure out if there's a link back to the original thread/blog post. Rnr posted:A couple of months ago Zen contradicted himself (about average street dude using the full potential of a modern super bike) and spent 8000 words arguing with himself. One could only back away in abject terror. True story. I almost starved to death in the process  Doctor Zero posted:I grant you cornering ability, but there are fast cruisers. Yes, I know not supersport fast, but not every cruiser's a wallowing pig. My cruisers "don't handle well" was followed by "You need to ride the bikes" every time. For the third time: You can read what people say on the internet, or what magazines blab about, but honestly, a lot of those guys can't ride for poo poo. And then couple it with something that's already very subjective, and a lot of magazine reviews aren't worth much more than entertainment. Bikes that other people think handle great I think handle like poo poo. You can't get an idea of if a bike handles or not from just looking at a bunch of magazine reviews. Just call in, arrange a test ride, and see what you think. And anything with 2 wheels is fast enough to get you in trouble on the street. I've gotten into trouble on my bicycle on the street...or the CB200. Anyways, on to more video. Here's a video of Eddie Lawson and Ben Spies talking about what it's like to be a badass racer, training, riding a 500 etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vw_xRy-u-g Z3n fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Mar 16, 2010 |
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Z3n posted:My cruisers "don't handle well" was followed by "You need to ride the bikes" every time. Yeah, I looked back, and it was Phat_Albert that actually said if you want a bike with good handling, don't buy a cruiser.  phat_albert!  I was about to edit my post, but you already replied so. meh.
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Doctor Zero posted:Yeah, I looked back, and it was Phat_Albert that actually said if you want a bike with good handling, don't buy a cruiser. Hey I've got a reputation to maintain here. The Aprilia Dorsduro Factory:  Click here for the full 1280x875 image.  Also, still one of my favorite Spies videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiVCbMlXxNM
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I stand by my statement  I actually dont hate cruisers, but handling discussions should be kept in reference to other cruisers, which is the point I think we all came to anyway.
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^^^ yeah, agreed. On-topic: New Multistrada pics!    The bike is awesome too. 
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Unlike the previous bits of snow, this part had ice under it.  Tipped over on the right side, get up just in time to watch my buddy's KLR fall over on him. Perhaps we should wait another couple weeks before taking this road again. 
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Phat_Albert posted:Shot of the Bandit in basically pitch black. Click to embiggen Cool! I saw your night shots in the dork room. You have a point and shoot, right? ___ A friend practicing for the MSF:  It should be animated... I've had an itch to go explore the fire roads in my area, but I only have a civic. Think if I pull the front seat I can fit an xr100?  VVV Ah... Try increasing the exposure (it's too dark) and adjust the white balance. The composition is good though! GI Joe jobs fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Mar 16, 2010 |
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Gullous posted:Cool! I saw your night shots in the dork room. You have a point and shoot, right? Nope, Canon XS DSLR, I just dont know how to use it very well yet
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Doctor Zero posted:^^^ yeah, agreed. This was, thankfully, balanced by the Fiat ladies at the Auto Show a couple weeks later who were simply stunning.
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Skier posted:Unlike the previous bits of snow, this part had ice under it.  Not pictured: Getting stuck, people stopping thinking that I had crashed. Managed to (barely) make it out upright though. With some help.
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I've been meaning to ask. Those saddle bags look *so* good. How much did they cost?
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TheCosmicMuffet posted:I've been meaning to ask. Those saddle bags look *so* good. How much did they cost? The bike came with them...they're corbin beetlebags, no longer made, I don't think, and they run ~1800$ new. I'm still, after 8k of riding the bike, undecided on how they look. Sometimes they look great, sometimes they just look...strange.
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You know what they say...black makes you look thinner. 
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Z3n posted:I'm still, after 8k of riding the bike, undecided on how they look. Sometimes they look great, sometimes they just look...strange. Strange is great.
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ZL600s and ZL900s were the coolest Cruisers.  "Lets shove a Ninja Motor in a cruiser!" is way better than Harleys idea of "Lets shove a Cruiser motor in a Sportbike"  Stratoliners are cool with all the poo poo removed.  Iron 883s and the XR1200 are probably the only Harley's I'd ever buy. I dont care that its basically a Sportster Nightster or anything, its simple and black and no bullshit, and I wish the bagger thing would die already.
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A lot of Harley guys make fun of me for liking Sportsters/Dynas
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Harley riders are the worst bike snobs of all, though. They'd rather just ride their bikes into obscurity then accept anything new or different.Phat_Albert posted:Nope, Canon XS DSLR, I just dont know how to use it very well yet There's some good books on understanding photography better. Check the newbie dslr thread in CC for some tips. In short, though, put your camera on a tripod, your bike under a street light, then set the camera to manual and adjust shutter speed until the exposure indicator lines up(or go one half-step over, my preference). It'll probably be open up between 2 to 25 seconds depending on ISO, but night photography is fun and looks awesome.  Click here for the full 1000x667 image. No bike pics yet, but I'm gonna change that on spring break hopefully. 
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Slim Pickens posted:Ok that is a beautiful bike. Would love to build something like that smooth lines, simple design and almost everything visible
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 My bike gets to live inside for the next couple weeks while I repair the ignition lock after an attempted theft. I got some funny looks pushing this thing onto the maintenance elevator. (I live in a 20th floor apartment)
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Just caught this on the KTM.com front page, looks like they are going to reveal the electric dirt bike they have been developing. AND a 'Leccy Sumo?!  
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