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The Shaman of Cum posted:0-4 Yes because win-loss records mean anything.
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Mar 20, 2010 17:48
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yes because the losing streak gimmick worked for
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Mar 20, 2010 17:53
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A lot of Puros?
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Mar 20, 2010 17:54
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The Shaman of Cum posted:0-4 0-4 in competitive matches, two against stars. Jericho is the top heel on Smackdown and Bryan was allowed to look like he belonged in the ring with him. He had more offense in a Khali match then I've seen in forever, especially for a small guy. This isn't just a losing streak gimmick, it's a young guy being thrown in with the wolves and being way more successful then he should be. Also, he's 0-3, Miz was pinned in their tag match.
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Mar 20, 2010 18:04
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You don't even need to qualify the asterisks against his 0-4 record. The fact he's had four matches in four weeks tells you they are at least pushing him in a direction - whether you think that's up or down is up to you.
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Mar 20, 2010 18:17
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Umbra Dubium posted:You don't even need to qualify the asterisks against his 0-4 record. The fact he's had four matches in four weeks tells you they are at least pushing him in a direction - whether you think that's up or down is up to you. Heh. That would be something classic alright. Vince signs the biggest indy star in the world, and has him lose every match and then release him. It's like he's trolling the entire internet.
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Mar 20, 2010 18:22
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I try to avoid internet wrestling stuff because I don't like spoilers in any respect, so I miss things that are internet sensations, Bryan included. As a result, I have no prior affinity to him or emotional stake in his success, but I do watch NXT every week and he is clearly the star of the show. If the Academy were giving out awards, he'd be in the Best Actor category whilst the other most-used guys like Barret and Sheffield would be in the Supporting Actor category. His win-loss record is inconsequential, much like Chris Jericho's is.
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Mar 20, 2010 18:23
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Yeah, it's not like MVP's losing streak where they're doing it to "test" him or whatever but don't have any actual angles or plans for him. He's lost due to things that are mostly outside of his control, has put up gutsy, underdog performances that the crowd gets behind and is feuding with one of the biggest heels in the company who's seemingly insane grudge is the reason Bryan hasn't won. It's a losing streak but it's being done in a way that's supposed to make him look like a star.
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Mar 20, 2010 18:31
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The Shaman of Cum posted:yes because the losing streak gimmick worked for Kenta Kobashi
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Mar 20, 2010 18:42
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I think Danielson is ridiculously overrated, so keep that in mind when you read the following post. To say the WWE is burying Danielson is absurd. Does the WWE do losing streak angles to punish/bury people? Yes. Now explain how it makes sense to use a huge chunk of TV time on a new weekly TV show to bury a guy who's never been seen before by most of the audience. Include in your answer an explanation for why the guy they're burying has a bio that is twice the length and infinitely more impressive than anyone else's on NXT.
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Mar 20, 2010 18:45
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Free Market Gravy posted:I think Danielson is ridiculously overrated, so keep that in mind when you read the following post. It will only be considered being buried if Danielson loses his blow off match with The Miz.
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Mar 20, 2010 18:57
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Free Market Gravy posted:I think Danielson is ridiculously overrated, so keep that in mind when you read the following post. who said hes being buried?
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Mar 20, 2010 19:09
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Yeah MVP's losing streak was of the "point and laugh" variety; it was a cocky/rich guy getting humiliated and played for laughs. Bryan is a valiant underdog going toe to toe with the best in a way that really gets the crowd behind him. The two scenarios are not even remotely similar (which most people here seem to get, thankfully).
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Mar 20, 2010 19:12
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The Shaman of Cum posted:who said hes being buried? He's being berried, they are going to put him in a pit and throw various types of fruit on him. Blueberries, strawberries, rasberries, you name it!
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Mar 20, 2010 19:12
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PsiKoTicK posted:He's being berried, they are going to put him in a pit and throw various types of fruit on him. Blueberries, strawberries, rasberries, you name it!   
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Mar 20, 2010 19:14
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The Shaman of Cum posted:who said hes being buried? Then what was your point?
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Mar 20, 2010 19:22
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Free Market Gravy posted:Then what was your point? that he was not getting a jesus push. there is a middle ground you know 
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Mar 20, 2010 19:26
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The Shaman of Cum posted:that he was not getting a jesus push. there is a middle ground you know A push to become a midcarder who won't do poo poo.
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Mar 20, 2010 19:28
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The Shaman of Cum posted:that he was not getting a jesus push. there is a middle ground you know This is the 40 days and nights in the wilderness. He is resisting the temptation to elbow Satan to death.
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Mar 20, 2010 19:29
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Is Wendi Richter deserving of a Hall of Fame induction? It doesn't seem as if she was around very along, but my knowledge of 1980s women's wrestling is limited. Is Vince just trying to bury the hatchet? (See also Hart, Bret.)
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Mar 20, 2010 19:48
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Most likely trying to bury the hatchet.
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Mar 20, 2010 19:50
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Minidust posted:Yeah MVP's losing streak was of the "point and laugh" variety; it was a cocky/rich guy getting humiliated and played for laughs. Bryan is a valiant underdog going toe to toe with the best in a way that really gets the crowd behind him. The two scenarios are not even remotely similar (which most people here seem to get, thankfully). So is Daniel Bryan going to be the next Colin Delaney?
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Mar 20, 2010 19:58
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Colin Delaney never got any offense in. Speaking of the difference between Colin Delaney and Daniel Bryan, what does the independent wrestler make per showing? I would not be surprised if there was a tier system (someone like Bryan Danielson or Austin Aries making more than Player Uno or Bobby Dempsey.) I would think that a wrestler would have a going rate but how does one charge the same for showing up at a 500+ Ring of Honor show and a 100-200 Chikara/PWG show? I'm curious for those on this board who have worked in this business, if they can divulge a little bit?
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Mar 20, 2010 20:04
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Meat Recital posted:Is Wendi Richter deserving of a Hall of Fame induction? It doesn't seem as if she was around very along, but my knowledge of 1980s women's wrestling is limited. Is Vince just trying to bury the hatchet? (See also Hart, Bret.) First of all, let's be fair: there is absolutely zero criteria for a Hall of Fame induction. That said, it was Wendi Richter, not Hulk Hogan, who was the biggest star of the "Rock n' Wrestling" connection with MTV. Hogan was the biggest star in the company but when it came to the MTV connection, it was Wendi Richter. Her title win against Moolah (according to Wikipedia) was the biggest ratings MTV had ever had up to that point. When they had her drop the belt to "The Spider Lady", which was just Moolah in a screwjob, it killed Women's wrestling up until they tried to bring it back with Alundra Blaze (Yeah, Rockin Robin was the last Champion, but nobody gave a poo poo after Richter got canned). She's the first WWE female wrestler to be a draw, so yeah, I think that deserves a spot in the WWE Hall of Fame. Mad Reverend Rad posted:I would think that a wrestler would have a going rate but how does one charge the same for showing up at a 500+ Ring of Honor show and a 100-200 Chikara/PWG show? I'm curious for those on this board who have worked in this business, if they can divulge a little bit? Some guys will take cuts for working for smaller promotions, some won't. Some guys will take less for promotions near his hometown but anything that's out of his way he'll take on extra for travel and hotel. When I worked for an independent promotion in Windsor, Ontario when BCW was on hiatus, there were a few guys who would only take half of their usual pay while Johnny Devine, who at the time lived in Windsor and wasn't getting booked very much, refused to budge from his $250. It's 100% acceptable, but him bitching about not getting booked much when we couldn't afford to book him at $250 really wasn't. Anyway, yeah. Paper Jam Dipper fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Mar 20, 2010 |
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Mar 20, 2010 20:09
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I have the strangest feeling that everyone who was involved with Wrestlemania 1 will eventually end up in the hall of fame.
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Mar 20, 2010 20:10
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Skinty McEdger posted:I have the strangest feeling that everyone who was depicted in the "Hulk Hogan's Rock 'n' Wrestling" cartoon will eventually end up in the hall of fame. Sorted that for you. Pretty much all I know about Wendi Richter is from watching that show when I was a kid.
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Mar 20, 2010 20:17
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Skinty McEdger posted:I have the strangest feeling that everyone who was involved with Wrestlemania 1 will eventually end up in the hall of fame. If they keep bringing in 5 people a year eventually everyone that won a match in the WWE will be in.
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Mar 20, 2010 21:07
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FishBulb posted:If they keep bringing in 5 people a year eventually everyone that won a match in the WWE will be in. gently caress yes. WWE Hall of Famer Gillberg is something I can get behind.
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Mar 20, 2010 21:10
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Lone Rogue posted:Johnny Devine, who at the time lived in Windsor and wasn't getting booked very much, refused to budge from his $250. It's 100% acceptable, but him bitching about not getting booked much when we couldn't afford to book him at $250 really wasn't. Anyway, yeah. Huh. 250 for Johnny Devine. That's very interesting. I would assume that the average going rate would be less than half that? Like, seventy-five to a hundred? Or is that overshooting it? I know that Indy wrestlers don't make a lot of money (ergo the necessary merch sales.) It's also interesting to see how much money it would take to just get the talent, let alone rental fees. I remember that Awfulmania ran a price tag of three grand, and that got Jim Neidhart.
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Mar 20, 2010 21:22
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Mad Reverend Rad posted:Huh. 250 for Johnny Devine. That's very interesting. I would assume that the average going rate would be less than half that? Like, seventy-five to a hundred? Or is that overshooting it? I'm not entirely sure of the "average" rate. It's really all over the board. I'm pretty sure Johnny, as a former TNA Superstar, was asking for half of his TNA rate. I'm 99% sure Chris Sabin cost us $500 because he was a TNA Superstar. Cody Deaner, prior to his stint in TNA, was asking for $75. That was with him having to travel from Mississauga to Windsor. A lot of the Mississauga (or BSE guys) were asking around $75. Local guys would ask between $25 and $50. I think Tyson Dux gave us like a 40% discount or something. Now, this is an Ontario indy. It could be very different somewhere else. I think Sinn/Kizarny cost us $125 to $150. Female wrestlers are a completely different issue. They get paid *more* than men because they serve the double purpose as eye candy and a wrestler. Our most successful show would have made us profit but because the booker ran an 6 woman battle royale/scramble and each woman cost us over $100, the match alone put us in the red. Mad Reverend Rad posted:I know that Indy wrestlers don't make a lot of money (ergo the necessary merch sales.) It's also interesting to see how much money it would take to just get the talent, let alone rental fees. If you want to run a show under $1,000, you can do it. It's just going to look that way as well. We were running in a bar bi-monthly with a host of Border City Wrestling guys and were running it pretty shoddy. The venue was free (they couldn't draw bands on Sundays so they wanted wrestling to bring in 100 people), the ring should have been free but since Scott D'Amore's ring never fit in the bar, we had to rent out a ring. That cost us around $400 and we always stiffed the guy. The truth is, guys getting on TNA means they can charge more. However, I'm pretty sure guys make less in the Northeastern Indies because of the over-saturation in the market. They can live in say Philly or Jersey and work 12 shows a month, and while making less per show, they work more and eventually make more. That's just a guess.
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Lone Rogue posted:That said, it was Wendi Richter, not Hulk Hogan, who was the biggest star of the "Rock n' Wrestling" connection with MTV. Hogan was the biggest star in the company but when it came to the MTV connection, it was Wendi Richter. False. Cyndi Lauper was the biggest star in the company when it came to the MTV connection. Richter was in the right place at the right time, any average woman worker who wasn't ugly could have taken her place as long as you had Lauper. quote:Yeah, Rockin Robin was the last Champion, but nobody gave a poo poo after Richter got canned Nobody gave a poo poo before Richter was fired. Womens' wrestling wasn't the appeal, Lauper was. They did B-shows with Richter/Moolah on top that did badly because they weren't the draw. quote:She's the first WWE female wrestler to be a draw, so yeah, I think that deserves a spot in the WWE Hall of Fame. Again, false, Lauper and Albano were the draws. The fact that Lauper isn't in the Hall of Fame is pretty stupid, actually.
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WeaselWeaz posted:False. Cyndi Lauper was the biggest star in the company when it came to the MTV connection. Richter was in the right place at the right time, any average woman worker who wasn't ugly could have taken her place as long as you had Lauper. True, but it doesn't change the fact she drew with her. You need a wrestler to make it work and Richter was the wrestler. Could any wrestler have taken Roddy Piper's place in the feud against Mr. T? WeaselWeaz posted:Again, false, Lauper and Albano were the draws. The fact that Lauper isn't in the Hall of Fame is pretty stupid, actually. I agree with that. With the WWE officially opening up a Celebrity wing I'm sure it's in due time.
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Mar 20, 2010 21:43
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Lone Rogue—since you seem to be active in this thread right now, I want to ask you about BCW. I think you should be able to e-mail me through my profile.
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Mar 20, 2010 21:45
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battlemonk posted:Lone Rogue—since you seem to be active in this thread right now, I want to ask you about BCW. I think you should be able to e-mail me through my profile. It says email is disabled. If you cannot ask it here, just toss me an email: owner@lonerogue.com
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Mar 20, 2010 21:53
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anakha posted:Just imagine what the pyro guy was thinking after No Way Out. The only thing that went through his head was Taker's fist.
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Mar 20, 2010 22:08
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Lone Rogue posted:True, but it doesn't change the fact she drew with her. You need a wrestler to make it work and Richter was the wrestler. Could any wrestler have taken Roddy Piper's place in the feud against Mr. T? Richter could have been replaced by anyone, she had almost nothing to do with drawing the match. Here's a better comparison: Does Lashley deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? He had a similar role in the Vince/Trump fued, which was a giant angle which helped draw the biggest Wrestlemania buyrate ever. If you don't understand how stupid it is to compare the roles of Piper and Richter you probably shouldn't be arguing this. Piper was the top heel in the company leading up to Mr. T's involvement and is one of the greatest heels ever. Richter was a body in the right place at the right time. Edited: One of my sentences made no sense because I forgot to delete part. I suck. WeaselWeaz fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Mar 21, 2010 |
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Mar 20, 2010 22:34
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Do you think Vince will ever induct Brock Lesnar into the Hall of Fame?
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The Cosby Mysteries posted:Do you think Vince will ever induct Brock Lesnar into the Hall of Fame? I don't think Vince is keen on inventing the Cup of Coffee Award.
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Mar 20, 2010 22:48
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The Cosby Mysteries posted:Do you think Vince will ever induct Brock Lesnar into the Hall of Fame? If Brock Lesnar becomes a household name (in something less niche than MMA or pro wrestling) that could get the HoF (and so the WWE) some mainstream press then sure he would, in a cold second. Or if Lesnar dominates the UFC for a number of years then he would to hopefully lure in some MMA fans. This is all presuming Brock would be willing to show up and play ball.
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"Has a parrot" is sufficient credentials to make it into the HoF. Flip a coin to see if anyone mentioned so far will get inducted.
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