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Room Temperature posted:They are also wonderful, marvelous, fantastic, glamorous, enchanting and terrific. A Pratchett fan, I see. Lords and Ladies is one of the best Discworld books. But then again, I'm a complete sucker for nasty tricksy bastard fey elves instead of happy tree-hugging D&D elves.
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I liked it a lot more than Lords and Ladies 2: Carpe Jugulum.
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Mar 22, 2010 03:00
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Pope Guilty posted:I liked it a lot more than Lords and Ladies 2: Carpe Jugulum. Don't you diss on Carpe Jugulum, son. You don't know what you're getting into.
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Mar 22, 2010 14:07
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What? Another strip already?
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Mar 22, 2010 19:49
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Burlew is back from the dead? $5 says he pushes himself too hard and ends up back in another "too sick to write" state. Poor Red Cloak. He'd better get a happy ending once all of this is over.
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Mar 22, 2010 20:23
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Tragic villains don't get a happy ending. The best he can realistically hope for is that, at the cost of his life, he manages to put the Dark One into a strong enough negotiating position that Goblins aren't treated as XP farms any more.
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Mar 22, 2010 22:17
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JustV posted:Poor Red Cloak. He'd better get a happy ending once all of this is over. Unfortunately for Redcloak, Start of Darkness foreshadows his ultimate fate as being eaten by a hypnotically suggested Creature in the Darkness after he betrays Xykon. Then again, you can never tell with Rich Burlew.
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Mar 22, 2010 22:37
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Tsukiko must have a paltry number of ranks in concentration to fail that check.
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Mar 22, 2010 23:36
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DrakePegasus posted:Unfortunately for Redcloak, Start of Darkness foreshadows his ultimate fate as being eaten by a hypnotically suggested Creature in the Darkness after he betrays Xykon. That's assuming anything ever really works on Monster in the Darkness. Could have just been going along with things, it's like that.
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Shugojin posted:That's assuming anything ever really works on Monster in the Darkness. Could have just been going along with things, it's like that. I don't think that the Monster in the Darkness is capable of that sort of subterfuge. Also, "Wrong eye?" Redcloak sure got on Xykons shitlist. The Rooster fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Mar 23, 2010 |
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Mar 23, 2010 02:50
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Redcloak is going to absolutely butcher Tsukiko when he gets the chance, though.
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Mar 23, 2010 03:09
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Room Temperature posted:They are also wonderful, marvelous, fantastic, glamorous, enchanting and terrific. <- Sup. Also, wow, quite the clip Rich is on these days. I might have to actually start checking this thread again. I can't imagine Redcloak and Tsukiko taking too long to come to blows the next time Xykon's distracted either, I'm just struggling to think of when that would be. Random shiny evil plots aside.
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Mar 23, 2010 06:47
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I like Tsukiko. She's such a dumb, shortsighted bitch. Perfect sub-boss material.
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Mar 23, 2010 10:57
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Pope Guilty posted:Redcloak is going to absolutely butcher Tsukiko when he gets the chance, though. This would make me a very very happy person!
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Pope Guilty posted:Redcloak is going to absolutely butcher Tsukiko when he gets the chance, though. Either he will, or he'll be the cause of her getting locked in a room with the OotS, and he'll watch her get torn apart by the six or seven PCs there.
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Mar 23, 2010 18:33
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The Rooster posted:Also, "Wrong eye?" Redcloak sure got on Xykons shitlist. I don't get it.
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PFlats posted:I don't get it. Probably a Start of Darkness spoiler.
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PFlats posted:I don't get it. Dallan Invictus posted:Probably a Start of Darkness spoiler. Sort of, but not major. Redcloak's had an eyepatch, so Redcloak introduced himself as"Redcloak" and his brother as "Right Eye" after Xykon killed a lizardman for having a name too long to remember. The reason it's such a burn is that (major spoiler) Redcloak killed his own brother to keep him from killing Xykon. Xykon knew and was waiting for Redcloak to do something and now he's got the goblin under his bony thumb because otherwise, his brother and all the other goblins died for nothing in pursuit of The Plan.
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Here's the character of Right-Eye described with the least spoilers possible, since the story increasingly seems to assume you know who he is (still in spoilers for those planning to read Start of Darkness some day); Right-Eye was a goblin with only one eye who Redcloak worked with in his plans. Right-Eye didn't approve of Xykon's disregard for goblin life, and made Redcloak feel bad about the methods he was using to bring the plan into fruition. At the end of the story Right-Eye, a very old goblin now, dies and leaves Redcloak with Xykon. Redcloak realises that he's in too deep with Xykon and can't possibly change his plans, he wishes that he'd heeded Right-Eye's advice when he could. Incidentally, Redcloak has now lost his right eye, so he looks in the mirror he sees a goblin very much like Right-Eye. This has obviously brought back memories of his poor choices, but probably also strengthened his resolve to see the plan through to the end, so all the goblin death wouldn't be in vain.
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I believe the overall message here is to buy Start of Darkness if you have the money. It's probably the best story in the series and really fills in some of the blanks on Xykon & Redcloak. Poor, poor Redcloak. Also, you get to see bad guy taco night.
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Vicissitude posted:Sort of, but not major. Redcloak's had an eyepatch, so Redcloak introduced himself as"Redcloak" and his brother as "Right Eye" after Xykon killed a lizardman for having a name too long to remember. Huh, that must be it. I haven't read SoD, so I just assumed "Wrong Eye" was short for "I'd rather you be blind than have lost my phylactery. That Paladin Put Out Your Wrong Eye"
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JustV posted:Also, you get to see bad guy taco night. And a healthy dose of coffee shop philosophy.
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And, in regards specifically to this current situation: Redcloak already got thoroughly punked by Xykon over the whole Right-eye thing, to the point where he animated his own brother to be another zombie in Xykons horde. Who the gently caress is he now to keep Tsutsiko or anyone else from animating these nameless hobs when he did that to his own brother?
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The Rooster posted:And, in regards specifically to this current situation: Redcloak already got thoroughly punked by Xykon over the whole Right-eye thing, to the point where he animated his own brother to be another zombie in Xykons horde. Who the gently caress is he now to keep Tsutsiko or anyone else from animating these nameless hobs when he did that to his own brother? Because he's trying to be better? After Right Eye's death, he's at the lowest point ever and he takes Xykon's speech to heart, "It's not just about power, it's about how far you're willing to debase yourself before feeling bad", and Redcloak reanimates his brother's corpse. But after the invasion of Azure city, Redcloak doesn't want to be Xykon anymore (which he even states out loud). He wants to be a hero to his people, and not animating his follower's corpses to serve in the zombie horde is something a hero would do.
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JustV posted:Because he's trying to be better? After Right Eye's death, he's at the lowest point ever and he takes Xykon's speech to heart, "It's not just about power, it's about how far you're willing to debase yourself before feeling bad", and Redcloak reanimates his brother's corpse. But after the invasion of Azure city, Redcloak doesn't want to be Xykon anymore (which he even states out loud). He wants to be a hero to his people, and not animating his follower's corpses to serve in the zombie horde is something a hero would do. Well obviously but I was illustrating why Xykon would want to remind him of that incident, and what he's trying to say by it.
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The Rooster posted:Well obviously but I was illustrating why Xykon would want to remind him of that incident, and what he's trying to say by it. "One gets to be the butch, and one gets to be the bitch". Xykon's just reaffirming his dominance by reminding Redcloak of all the chips in the pile. Also, Xykon's a dick. EDIT: There's also the whole "...as long as you're loyal to me, I'll let you pretend this never happened." Redcloak is acting like he's got actual choices in what happens, and Xykon can't let him have that. Redcloak is in charge of the phylactery and is the only other person who knows how to "control" the Snarl, so (for now) Xykon needs him. JustV fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Mar 23, 2010 |
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JustV posted:"One gets to be the butch, and one gets to be the bitch". Xykon's just reaffirming his dominance by reminding Redcloak of all the chips in the pile. In the meantime, he's trying to get his new and willing Bitch Tsutsiko to do the divine part of the ritual. Things are looking grim for green guy 
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I bet Redcloak is going to side with the group eventually. Or at the very least, lend the party some aid in defeating Xykon.
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JustV posted:EDIT: There's also the whole "...as long as you're loyal to me, I'll let you pretend this never happened." So why is Xykon throwing around insults about that incident? It seems counter to their informal agreement.
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Mystic Mongol posted:So why is Xykon throwing around insults about that incident? It seems counter to their informal agreement. Because he's an rear end in a top hat?
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Cabbit posted:Because he's an rear end in a top hat? Pretty much. Start of Darkness is all about how Redcloak and Xykon got that way. Redcloak's story is full of good intentions, tragic mistakes, and clinging desperately to shreds of hope. Xykon? He was a dick from the age of five.
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Mystic Mongol posted:So why is Xykon throwing around insults about that incident? It seems counter to their informal agreement. How about because Wrong-Eye is a hilarious pun?
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I hope Red-Cloak gets a happy ending. God knows he deserves it. Although if we take the Oracle's predictions to heart then the only person to have a happy ending will be Elan
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Xykon is such a loving powergamer's wet dream/DM darling NPC. I mean, his callousness can be funny, sure, but goddamn... he's the only reason I'd have my doubts over playing with Burlew.
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Captain Controversy posted:Xykon is such a loving powergamer's wet dream/DM darling NPC. I mean, his callousness can be funny, sure, but goddamn... he's the only reason I'd have my doubts over playing with Burlew.
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tazman posted:I hope Red-Cloak gets a happy ending. God knows he deserves it. Although if we take the Oracle's predictions to heart then the only person to have a happy ending will be Elan Screw red-cloak. He's a malicious, rascist little goblin that would throw his own brother under the bus "for the greater good". Hey I know, let's team up with a murderous lich and conspire to give him world domination, I'm sure he'll give us goblins a home after whatever could possibly go wrong herp a derp. gently caress him, he's a genocidal weasely little bastard wtih none of Xykon's charm, and he deserved a hell of a lot more from O'Chul than a gouged out eye.
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McCloud posted:Screw red-cloak. He's a malicious, rascist little goblin that would throw his own brother under the bus "for the greater good". Hey I know, let's team up with a murderous lich and conspire to give him world domination, I'm sure he'll give us goblins a home after whatever could possibly go wrong herp a derp. You should probably read (or reread) start of Darkness as Redcloak's plan differs in a minor, though significant way from how you are portraying it.
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Mystic Mongol posted:So why is Xykon throwing around insults about that incident? It seems counter to their informal agreement. My guess is that Xykon now considers Redcloak being "upitty" as insufficiently compliant, and therefore contrary to their agreement. Plus he's a giant dick.
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tazman posted:Although if we take the Oracle's predictions to heart then the only person to have a happy ending will be Elan
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CapnAndy posted:Would Elan consider an ending happy if he doesn't get the girl, save the world, and most if not all of his buddies survive? Yeah, at the bare minimum, Elan, Haley, and Durkon have to get a happy ending. Elan because it's fated, Haley because she's Elan's true love or whatever, and Durkon because it's fated (he's gonna die, but he gets buried with honor with his ancestors so he's stoked about that). Roy will almost certainly at least come out ahead; I can't see Burlew ultimately loving over the lawful good leader of the protagonists. V could go either way, but I see some more suffering in his future. Belkar's supposed to die, which is good for everyone else. Maybe Belkar will even enjoy the abyss, getting to kick rear end in the blood war for eternity.
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