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I don't like you. Edit: I should use an emoticon so people know I'm not serious, but I'm too lazy to look one up.
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Trollologist posted:How does one go about getting involved in the creative side of wrestling (i.e. writing and gimmicks and the like)? Do you apply to work for local indies and work your way up or what? For about a year I got to work in creative for a small indy fed. The guys running it spent years being ring crew guys and tossing ideas to Scott D'Amore. When BCW went on hiatus they were allowed to "book in the territory" their own promotion and because I was one of the smarter fans/staff guys, I got to be a part of the booking meetings. They were also done at my house a few times. Of course, when BCW returned I was back to pretty much being nobody, but I still got to experience booking for a wrestling promotion. For the WWE, their writers are a combination of some of the greatest minds in the wrestling industry and a combination of failed television writers. Everyone fears Vince McMahon. Steve Corino once did a shoot (Can't find the youtube clip) where he was asked to try out as a writer for the WWE and his storylines were trashed because he didn't write every single word for the wrestlers and most of his stories were wrestling based. So yeah, having experience in television is more than just an asset, because as Kendrick and London say in their recent shoot, it's a television show about wrestling, not a wrestling show on television.
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Lone Rogue posted:as Kendrick and London say in their recent shoot, it's a television show about wrestling, not a wrestling show on television. Firstly, that's sad. So if I'm hearing this right, it breaks down thusly: 1) Bust your rear end working for indie's and be proud of your work, but make next to nothing. or 2) Sell out to WWE, do things Vince's way, and hate yourself. I guess creative is alot like trying to be a worker, but with less running.
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Trollologist posted:Stuff Considering Vince's way has been recently really good booking, I fail to see the problem. You could also always start your own company and book it yourself!
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Mar 23, 2010 20:35
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LividLiquid posted:I don't like you. I believe it's either smug or colbert. Probably smugbert.
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Mar 23, 2010 20:48
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LividLiquid posted:I don't like you. 
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Mar 23, 2010 20:50
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I was reading the WCW thread and someone mentioned DDP giving Orton the Diamond Cutter as a finisher.. That got me wondering how often a wrestler gives another a wrestling move to use. I mean, I doubt KENTA gave CM Punk the Go 2 Sleep or AJ gave Michelle McCool the Styles Clash; I always just assumed all wrestling manoeuvres were up for grabs. Is taking them from another wrestler bad etiquette or against the wrasslin code or something? Is there an actual rule or mindset that states you can't just use any move you like?
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Mar 26, 2010 05:51
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The Cosby Mysteries posted:I mean, I doubt KENTA gave CM Punk the Go 2 Sleep or AJ gave Michelle McCool the Styles Clash; I always just assumed all wrestling manoeuvres were up for grabs. Is taking them from another wrestler bad etiquette or against the wrasslin code or something? Is there an actual rule or mindset that states you can't just use any move you like? If you're primarily in the same company as someone else, it's poor form to steal their finish or trademark spots (and the promoter probably wouldn't let you anyway). Punk and the Go 2 Sleep are probably fine; KENTA only shows up to WrestleMania as a fan right now, and Punk has been, as far as I know, completely upfront about the fact that the move is KENTA's and he's using it as an homage.
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tzirean posted:If you're primarily in the same company as someone else, it's poor form to steal their finish or trademark spots (and the promoter probably wouldn't let you anyway). To continue from this, it's also retroactive sometimes, for instance in the Joe/Punk shoot for ROH, they mention how when Aries came in (this was some time ago) using a brainbuster as one of his finishers, everybody else stopped using brainbusters (or as little as possible). Nobody had to tell anyone to do it, people just knew not to. Wazzu fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Mar 26, 2010 |
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Mar 26, 2010 06:38
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vince "turns" face without reason or explanation all the time. late 03 - 04 he was this ultra heel: bullying a handicapped kid, beating up his own daughter, burying the undertaker alive... then he comes out at wmxx and thanks the fans and then acted like a face in subsequent appearancesOneThousandMonkeys posted:Two of the top five wrestling talents of all time have opinions that mean nothing because their opinion is positive! I'd go as far as calling them the top two of all time (well in my lifetime/north america at least) but you're still talking about his two best friends. Their status has nothing to do with perception of bias...
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Mar 26, 2010 11:24
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How big is a WrestleMania pay cheque?
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Mar 26, 2010 13:28
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OK here's one. Known as the greatest heel in WWE history, was Million Dollar Man ever a face? I was just a kid around the time he was wrestling and only ever remember him being a bad guy. EDIT: Also, wikipedia says that the Million Dollar Dream was a cobra clutch. I thought it was just a regular old sleeper hold? Orgophlax fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Mar 26, 2010 |
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Mar 26, 2010 13:58
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How has Sheamus been around so long (well, long enough to be WWE champion) and not have a 100% for sure finisher (the kick to the head or the razor's edge)? Even his signature move, the sideslam backbreaker, doesn't seem to have any significance. Let alone not having names for them? I don't care if it's accurate, his signature maneuver or finisher being called "a boot to the head" or "vicious power bomb that we might want to call the Celtic Cross but can't because some other guy already uses it" really doesn't seem to potray a sense of awe for what should be devastating attacks. I really enjoy watching the guy destroy people, and am rooting for him Sunday, but it'll be rough to hear "And Sheamus has defeated Triple H with that thing he does, OH MY". Has there ever been someone else established without a "set" or "nameless" finisher?
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Mar 26, 2010 14:12
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Benign posted:How has Sheamus been around so long (well, long enough to be WWE champion) and not have a 100% for sure finisher (the kick to the head or the razor's edge)? Even his signature move, the sideslam backbreaker, doesn't seem to have any significance. Was "Carcinogenic Right Hand" ever made an official name?
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Mar 26, 2010 14:16
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Anyone who used a chokeslam?
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Pneub posted:Was "Carcinogenic Right Hand" ever made an official name? Well, he was already pretty over with the choke slam, which I guess answer my question about people getting over without a named finisher
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Mar 26, 2010 14:26
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Orgophlax posted:OK here's one. Known as the greatest heel in WWE history, was Million Dollar Man ever a face? I was just a kid around the time he was wrestling and only ever remember him being a bad guy. He was a face in UWF.
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Mar 26, 2010 14:27
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I don't think chokeslams and DDTs really count as "unnamed". I think he was talking more about stuff like "Undertaker's new submission manuver" or guys like Sheamus that can't decide on a finisher.
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Mar 26, 2010 14:39
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Benign posted:How has Sheamus been around so long (well, long enough to be WWE champion) and not have a 100% for sure finisher (the kick to the head or the razor's edge)? Even his signature move, the sideslam backbreaker, doesn't seem to have any significance. Some of the many "signature" examples include "that patented backbreaker" that Orton does, and "Old School" which went nameless for years until the tail end of the BikerTaker phase.
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Mar 26, 2010 14:45
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Moose Bigelow posted:He was a face in UWF.
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Mar 26, 2010 14:46
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It seems that the problem with naming finishers depends on the character of the wrestler. For example, John Morrison's corkscrew neckbreaker went unnamed until he was on an episode of Smackdown one time and Mick Foley on commentary announced, "John told me he likes to call that one the 'Moonlight Drive'". Subsequently, all the commentators knew the name of the move. Since it's more likely that Sheamus would boot your head off rather than deign to talk to the likes of Michael Cole, his finishers will probably remain unnamed for the time being.
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Mar 26, 2010 16:13
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I thought it was just called the Pump Kick
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50 Cent Bulletproof posted:I thought it was just called the Pump Kick I just noticed Sheamus is a taller, more ginger Steve Blackman
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evale posted:How big is a WrestleMania pay cheque? Orgophlax posted:OK here's one. Known as the greatest heel in WWE history, was Million Dollar Man ever a face? I was just a kid around the time he was wrestling and only ever remember him being a bad guy. And yeah, the Million Dollar Dream is a cobra clutch. It's definitely not a regular sleeper.
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Mar 26, 2010 18:55
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I was always amused at how the cobra clutch produced completely different effects based on who was applying it. Million Dollar Man's would put people to sleep, while Sgt. Slaughter's would cause the opponent to submit from the pain.
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Mar 26, 2010 19:00
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If Sheamus is too lazy to name his finishers, I am going to start naming them for him. His signature backbreaker will now be known as the Ginger Snap.
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Mar 26, 2010 19:25
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ABOUT DRUGS posted:If Sheamus is too lazy to name his finishers, I am going to start naming them for him. I like it.
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Mar 26, 2010 19:26
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Bear with me trying to describe this move. In the N64 WWF games (No Mercy, I think?) there was a move in the CAW that involved the attacker sitting on the turnbuckle with his opponent standing in front of him with his back to him. The attacker would then basically flip over the opponent and perform a diamond cutter/RKO on him (I think it was called the diamond crush or something similar). My question is, does anyone actually use that move? From what I remember it looking like in the game, it doesn't appear to be something one could do safely.
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Marcade posted:Bear with me trying to describe this move. In the N64 WWF games (No Mercy, I think?) there was a move in the CAW that involved the attacker sitting on the turnbuckle with his opponent standing in front of him with his back to him. The attacker would then basically flip over the opponent and perform a diamond cutter/RKO on him (I think it was called the diamond crush or something similar). My question is, does anyone actually use that move? From what I remember it looking like in the game, it doesn't appear to be something one could do safely. Masato Tanaka used it and it was called the Diamond Dust.
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Pneub posted:Was "Carcinogenic Right Hand" ever made an official name? No because it's officially called the Knockout Punch and has been since 2008.
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CM Junk posted:No because it's officially called the Knockout Punch and has been since 2008. You showed me.
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Minidust posted:I was always amused at how the cobra clutch produced completely different effects based on who was applying it. Million Dollar Man's would put people to sleep, while Sgt. Slaughter's would cause the opponent to submit from the pain. I was playing WWF Wrestlefest before I saw my first Slaughter match, and was utterly mystified as to why he was using the Million Dollar Dream when I finally did watch one.
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Marcade posted:Bear with me trying to describe this move. In the N64 WWF games (No Mercy, I think?) there was a move in the CAW that involved the attacker sitting on the turnbuckle with his opponent standing in front of him with his back to him. The attacker would then basically flip over the opponent and perform a diamond cutter/RKO on him (I think it was called the diamond crush or something similar). My question is, does anyone actually use that move? From what I remember it looking like in the game, it doesn't appear to be something one could do safely. Ziggy Tsardust posted:Masato Tanaka used it and it was called the Diamond Dust. Bingo. Here's a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1haV-EAp0s Orgophlax posted:EDIT: Also, wikipedia says that the Million Dollar Dream was a cobra clutch. I thought it was just a regular old sleeper hold? Nope, it was a cobra clutch. It's in this video, for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn0N2fMbdIY also it owns
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Ah, thanks for the clarification. Figures it'd be the Japanese that would use it, I swear those guys have spines made of rubber.
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anakha posted:I was playing WWF Wrestlefest before I saw my first Slaughter match, and was utterly mystified as to why he was using the Million Dollar Dream when I finally did watch one.  The "Cobra Clutch" in WWF Wrestlefest the Arcade Game was for some reason not the same as the Million Dollar Dream, in this game it was Slaughter grinding his knuckles against your head -- I think this was one of his signature holds he would do in matches, but AFAIK he never used it for actual finishes.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAxlUelrsHE#t=3m28s
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Dschingis Khan posted:
I might be wrong but I think he added a noogie when he turned heel and joined Saddam Hussein for a while.
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Mar 27, 2010 02:03
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When did Rikishi "do it for the Rock" and what was it he actually did?
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Dr. Dirt posted:When did Rikishi "do it for the Rock" and what was it he actually did? Survivor Series 1999 and he ran over Stone Cold Steve Austin WITH A CAR.
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Marcade posted:Ah, thanks for the clarification. Figures it'd be the Japanese that would use it, I swear those guys have spines made of rubber. Shark Boy did it as well. They called it the Deep Sea Driver.
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The Berzerker posted:Bingo. Here's a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1haV-EAp0s IIRC, The No Mercy version of that didn't have the runout to the middle of the ring like in this clip, it was just straight over into a Stunner. It was closer to the Buff Blockbuster that Bagwell used for a short time and may have been a holdover from the time the game was licensed for WCW.
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