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Cliff Racer posted:You should probably read (or reread) start of Darkness as Redcloak's plan differs in a minor, though significant way from how you are portraying it. Yeah, reading Start of Darkness is, despite Burlew's attempt to make it not required reading to understand what's going on, certainly a good thing to do. Knowing what you're talking about there is certainly not critical to understanding but it sure does change how you look at it.
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Cliff Racer posted:You should probably read (or reread) start of Darkness as Redcloak's plan differs in a minor, though significant way from how you are portraying it. For those who can't get a copy of Start of Darkness, Redcloak's Plan: Using the powers of a divine spellcaster (Redcloak) and an arcane spellcaster (Xykon), break open one of the five gates to (temporarily) unleash the Snarl on one of the major pantheons of Gods. Doing so will kill both spellcasters and destroy their souls - no heaven or hell for either. The Dark One (a.k.a. "The God of All Goblins") will take advantage of the attack to bargain his way into getting the Goblin race on the same level as the Elves, Dwarfs, and Humans by (falsely) claiming he has control over the Snarl. If by some chance the Snarl breaks free of the gate entirely, the world will be destroyed, but the Dark One will be able to get in on the ground floor of the creation of a whole new world. Xykon knows none of this and believes that the two are simply going to use the Snarl to blackmail their way into becoming the rulers of the world. He doesn't know the ritual is designed to kill both of them nor that Redcloak will be the one dictating where the Snarl is released. He's in for a surprise. The bottom line is that no matter what, Redcloak was hosed the day he put on the cloak and he knows it. He's been given a suicide mission and the best he can hope for at this point is oblivion. The only bright side is that he'll get to take Xykon with him when he goes.
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Mar 24, 2010 23:00
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Jesus. I need to get start of darkness.
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Mar 24, 2010 23:05
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JustV posted:For those who can't get a copy of Start of Darkness, Redcloak's Plan: Wait, what? Since when? I thought it just didn't give them control over what the snarl did, only where they unleashed it.
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Mar 24, 2010 23:31
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Mystic Mongol posted:Wait, what? Since when? I thought it just didn't give them control over what the snarl did, only where they unleashed it. I think the Snarl will kill anyone who releases it instantly.
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Mar 24, 2010 23:37
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JustV posted:For those who can't get a copy of Start of Darkness, Redcloak's Plan: Wouldn't the greatest twist be if Tsutsiko figures out how to do the divine half of the ritual, Xykon kicks Redcloak tothe curb, goes through w/ the ritual and Tsutsiko/Xykon are destroyed.
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Mar 24, 2010 23:38
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The Rooster posted:Wouldn't the greatest twist be if Tsutsiko figures out how to do the divine half of the ritual, Xykon kicks Redcloak tothe curb, goes through w/ the ritual and Tsutsiko/Xykon are destroyed. This is exactly what I thought of after reading that synopsis. Wait, this is Rich Burlew we're dealing with here. 
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Mar 25, 2010 01:11
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The Rooster posted:Wouldn't the greatest twist be if Tsutsiko figures out how to do the divine half of the ritual, Xykon kicks Redcloak tothe curb, goes through w/ the ritual and Tsutsiko/Xykon are destroyed. More likely, she'll figure it out, tell Xykon, he'll get characteristically pissed and go on some sort of anti-goblin rampage out of spite, and I have no clue where it goes from there. Some sort of Redcloak/Stick team up? Who knows.
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Mar 25, 2010 01:20
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Shugojin posted:Some sort of Redcloak/Stick team up? Who knows. That would be great. He's a very well-developed character on his own and I don't think he'd really have any personal reasons not to work with them.
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Mar 25, 2010 02:29
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Vicissitude posted:That would be great. He's a very well-developed character on his own and I don't think he'd really have any personal reasons not to work with them. The slaughter of hundreds of goblins and hobgoblins? Redcloak seems like a pretty decent guy, actually, and would probably take huge offense to the death of his people.
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Mar 25, 2010 04:41
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Calaveron posted:The slaughter of hundreds of goblins and hobgoblins? Yeah, but he's also fairly pragmatic and would likely side with the guys who've killed hundreds of goblins if it means stopping the deaths of thousands of them.
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Mar 25, 2010 05:10
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What's this? Yet another new strip?
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Mar 25, 2010 11:02
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Every panel with O-Chul makes him seem cooler. Such a badass paladin.
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Mar 25, 2010 11:29
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Wolfsheim posted:Every panel with O-Chul makes him seem cooler. Such a badass paladin. yeah... i actually didn't know how to play a paladin without making him Lawful Stupid as they say on the strip, until i saw O-Chul.
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Mar 25, 2010 12:27
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Mar 25, 2010 12:56
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Monster in the Dark making a Wish?
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Mar 25, 2010 13:08
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Shugojin posted:More likely, she'll figure it out, tell Xykon, he'll get characteristically pissed and go on some sort of anti-goblin rampage out of spite, and I have no clue where it goes from there. Some sort of Redcloak/Stick team up? Who knows. More likely, she'll figure it out and do both sides herself in a power grab. Duh.
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Mar 25, 2010 14:13
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Heh, Xykon doesn't have balls.
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Mar 25, 2010 14:16
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terminal mehmet posted:More likely, she'll figure it out and do both sides herself in a power grab. Duh. I really doubt she's anywhere near powerful enough to do that.
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Mar 25, 2010 17:51
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Mylan posted:I really doubt she's anywhere near powerful enough to do that. No, but she's dumb enough to try.
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Mar 25, 2010 17:53
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I don't get the rain helping him sleep line. I figure it's a reference, but I don't feel like digging up which comic it's from.
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Mar 25, 2010 18:56
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Speleothing posted:I don't get the rain helping him sleep line. I figure it's a reference, but I don't feel like digging up which comic it's from.  http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0550.html
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Mar 25, 2010 19:00
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Vicissitude posted:That would be great. He's a very well-developed character on his own and I don't think he'd really have any personal reasons not to work with them. Not to mention the Order is going to be needing a new cleric fairly soon... (because Durkon is almost guaranteed to die before this 'volume' is up)
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Mar 25, 2010 22:58
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JustV posted:Not to mention the Order is going to be needing a new cleric fairly soon... What makes you think it'll be so soon? I'm expecting him to die closer to the end, since that'll minimize the time he'll be absent from the comic. Unless you think we're in the final volume now.
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Mar 26, 2010 02:54
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Mylan posted:What makes you think it'll be so soon? I'm expecting him to die closer to the end, since that'll minimize the time he'll be absent from the comic. Unless you think we're in the final volume now. Rich said that Don't Split the Party contains the halfway point of the series. That said, he also mentioned how much he tends to draw things out. If Eichiro Oda is any indication of this mindset, we might be reading OOTS in 2020.
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Mar 26, 2010 03:04
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Mylan posted:What makes you think it'll be so soon? I'm expecting him to die closer to the end, since that'll minimize the time he'll be absent from the comic. Unless you think we're in the final volume now. I stated it a couple of pages back, but it's worth repeating: 1) Burlew has stated that a main character is going to die this volume. Obvious candidates are Belkar & Durkon. Belkar is prophesied to save Hinjo's life a second time according to one of the bonus strips from Don't Split the Party, but he can't do that until they meet up again, so that leaves Durkon. 2) Until Durkon dies, no other death can be permanent because he has the ability of resurrection. The only good-guy death that could happen is therefore Durkon's. We also know that Durkon won't allow himself to be brought back since in death, he'll get to go home. 3) During On the Origin of PC's, the head priest exiles Durkon because when he returns home doom, death, and destruction will follow. Durkon will also be returning home posthumously. Since the fifth and final gate is in the North, where Durkon is from, all signs point to him dying before the Order reaches the final gate, with Xykon & crew close behind. Of course, all of this is speculation. #1 could be worked around by having someone else die, #2 by having them killed via the Snarl, & #3 by not having Kragor's gate in the Dwarven homelands. JustV fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Mar 26, 2010 |
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Mar 26, 2010 03:16
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JustV posted:I stated it a couple of pages back, but it's worth repeating: It also explains why Durkon didn't get much screen time in the last chapter, which was entirely devoted to character development. Because this is going to be his chapter once we get past establishing the scene.
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Mar 26, 2010 06:43
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Cabbit posted:No, but she's dumb enough to try. But she's got no reason to betray Xykon. She's a necromancer whose only goal (so far) has been to hang out with dead people. I think it's more likely that she figures out what this spell-combo does, decides to tell Xykon, and Redcloak is forced to silence/kill her in some way to keep Xykon out of the loop.
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Mar 26, 2010 06:44
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Yet another strip, whoo!
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Mar 28, 2010 12:13
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Trivial Fursuit posted:Yet another strip, whoo! Isn't that the paladin who was on Xykon's Teevo earlier?
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Mar 28, 2010 14:48
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No, that was Elan's old mentor/partner from the origin of PCs book (I haven't read it myself, but was told that)- they'd certainly have recognised each other! I think he was better groomed.
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Noonsaliwah posted:No, that was Elan's old mentor/partner from the origin of PCs book (I haven't read it myself, but was told that)- they'd certainly have recognised each other! I think he was better groomed. Had to go back and check On the Origin of PCs, you're right. Sir Francois (who also shows up on Teevo) wears armor, that guy's wearing a robe (it's hard to tell since OtOoP is entirely in black & white).
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Mar 28, 2010 15:17
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The other question is whether we've seen that gnome before? Maybe I'm just racially profiling...
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Mar 28, 2010 16:12
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Okay this one flew right over my head.
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Mar 28, 2010 18:03
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crime fighting hog posted:Okay this one flew right over my head. Elan: And remember that time you found the guys my party is looking for? Elan: No? Elan: Oh well next table.
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Mar 28, 2010 18:10
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Zereth posted:Party: Boy we sure are reminiscing about stuff. Thanks. I am retarded.
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Mar 28, 2010 18:16
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crime fighting hog posted:Thanks. I am retarded. Eh, I had to go back and check to see what exactly the order was trying to do. The joke isn't funny unless you remember that they are looking for.
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Mar 28, 2010 18:30
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Trivial Fursuit posted:Yet another strip, whoo! This is how you play a Bard correctly.
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Mar 28, 2010 20:04
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The Werle posted:The other question is whether we've seen that gnome before? Maybe I'm just racially profiling... Pretty sure it's the guy Belkar ganks right after the Mark of Justice is removed.
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Calaveron posted:Pretty sure it's the guy Belkar ganks right after the Mark of Justice is removed. You racist, the guy Belkar killed had gray hair and a brown shirt. These are clearly two completely different gnomes. (also, it was before the Mark was removed, but outside city limits - making it OK)
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