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Fnoigy posted:Deus Ex legitimately has insanely good features that you rarely see anywhere else, like such open-ended gameplay and user-customization, real consequences for your actions and such. You play the game through in a different way and it's practically a different game. this is pretty much the reason deus ex is still loved so much. the only other real attempts at deus ex style gameplay "refined" the experience in the wrong way like IW or had a host of problems of their own like Bloodlines
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I'm not saying the hud looks bad cause it's blown up. I'm saying the hud is designed for 640x480. It's the most readable in those teeny streaming video windows and the hud elements blend together instead of being cut off from each other at the corners. I don't actually play at 640x480, I just think that it looks best if you were going to make a video for the internet.
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fleshweasel posted:I'm not saying the hud looks bad cause it's blown up. I'm saying the hud is designed for 640x480. It's the most readable in those teeny streaming video windows and the hud elements blend together instead of being cut off from each other at the corners. I don't actually play at 640x480, I just think that it looks best if you were going to make a video for the internet. If you're running either the mod linked on the last page or Shifter (which does the same thing), it'll end up being a total non-issue. For someone only watching the gameplay the readability of the HUD is a practically non-existent concern, as long as it's not distractingly bad. That said, there's no Earthly reason to make HD videos of Deus Ex.
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I'm not sure why everyone is having such issues with the HUD. I'm using the DX10 launcher that was linked earlier in the thread to play the game, and after plugging in my resolution and aspect ratio it scaled the hud accordingly (and it doesn't look bad, actually). Not sure what to say. If anyone has hud problems and they're playing in 16:9 let me know and I'll post the values I'm using to see if that makes any difference for you. Anyway, I forgot how great this game is. It's amazing how gameplay-wise, this is by far one of the best games out there. It's definitely dated, but it's still plenty of fun to play. One thing to note about the awesome shifter mod: JoJo drops a custom silenced pistol if he dies. It's more accurate and does more damage than the regular silenced pistol. Not sure what other unique weapons there are in the game besides the one in Paris people keep mentioning though. I've been looking in every nook and cranny so I doubt I could have missed anything...
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I beat this game ages ago, and yes, it is awesome. My favorite game, along with System Shock 2. Funny story: I'm a gaming perfectionist, sometimes a neurotic one. As in, if I die, I need to reload the last save immediately. As I recall, there's one point where you're cornered in the subway by the female cyborg. First time I played, I was like, drat this boss is tough. I finally managed to kill her, maybe on the 20th iteration, using a series of proximity mines. It was totally sweet. Then I realized. There was nowhere to go but up, and then you got arrested and thrown in jail. I found out later that if you let her kill you, the same poo poo happened, only she's there to taunt you. Other details later in the game changed if you killed her early, too. And that's why this game rules. Even when it railroads you, it doesn't really railroad you.
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E. Nesbit posted:I beat this game ages ago, and yes, it is awesome. My favorite game, along with System Shock 2. Yup all the possible options for something such as what to do on the plane and also how decisions aren't tied to rewards similar to The Witcher. etalian fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Apr 14, 2010 |
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Apr 14, 2010 03:26
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etalian posted:Yup all the possible options for something such as what to do on the plane and also how decisions aren't tied to rewards similar to The Witcher. I always loved setting a LAM on the plane so what's her face gets blown up and Lebedev actually escapes... as I recall he shows up again later in the game to help out in some way. Not as crazy as my realization, on playing through the game a second time, that you can SAVE PAUL. That blew my loving mind the first time, even if he only just shows up in Hong Kong later and doesn't do that much other than call you right at the end of the game.
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Fuzz posted:I always loved setting a LAM on the plane so what's her face gets blown up and Lebedev actually escapes... as I recall he shows up again later in the game to help out in some way. As for the other part... yeah, I figured going out the window was just the best way to get a clear shot at the soldiers on the street 
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Apr 14, 2010 03:44
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Fuzz posted:I always loved setting a LAM on the plane so what's her face gets blown up and Lebedev actually escapes... fun fact: alex's transmission to you is slightly different if you do this as opposed to killing her after she gives you the order to kill Lebedev
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Fag Boy Jim posted:fun fact: alex's transmission to you is slightly different if you do this as opposed to killing her after she gives you the order to kill Lebedev Haha, yes, I noticed that too. The sheer confusion and disgust in his voice are so great. He also has a third transmission if you end up killing both of them.
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Fuzz posted:Haha, yes, I noticed that too. The sheer confusion and disgust in his voice are so great. He also has a third transmission if you end up killing both of them. well guess who's doing another playthrough!!!
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Weedle posted:I played both Fallout and Deus Ex for the first time in 2007, and they were amazing. I really don't know what to say to anyone who can't stand to play a game that's more than a couple of years old. Same, except it was 2008 for me and they both blew me away. They're both in my top 5 all-time now.
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Ugh, so I've been playing on and off all day and have been stuck in Paris in the catacombs. I've got no health besides a medpack i found, no energy besides a disc I found, and it seems like I HAVE to go through some room filled with radioactive crap. Tell me I'm being ridiculous and missing a means to skip this area all together
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Apr 14, 2010 03:54
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Fuzz posted:Haha, yes, I noticed that too. The sheer confusion and disgust in his voice are so great. He also has a third transmission if you end up killing both of them.
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Go with Christ posted:I'm just about to go through Versalife for the second time, and I wanted to share some of the little things about the game. I attempted a non-lethal run once, but after getting the Dragon's Tooth I just said 'fuckit' and spent the rest of the game hacking through everyone.
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etalian posted:the silent GEP gun takedown is the best way to eliminate Manderly stick with the prod. prod with the prod
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Le Sean posted:Ugh, so I've been playing on and off all day and have been stuck in Paris in the catacombs. I've got no health besides a medpack i found, no energy besides a disc I found, and it seems like I HAVE to go through some room filled with radioactive crap. If I'm thinking of the right place, there should be a hazmat suit sitting around near the toxic room.
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DNS posted:I attempted a non-lethal run once, but after getting the Dragon's Tooth I just said 'fuckit' and spent the rest of the game hacking through everyone. I did the same thing once, but I called it a Jedi run. Using mind tricks to sneak past enemies is fun!
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gently caress it, shelled out the 10bux and it's downloading now.
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Just wanted to pop into this thread and say that this game is loving incredible. My first exposure to Deus Ex was playing IW* when I was 14, and though I liked that game well enough, I never went out of my way to play the much superior original. Well I found this thread a few days ago, went ahead and downloaded it, and I'm kicking myself for not playing it years ago. Despite its flaws, I can safely say that ten years have not had much of an effect on the fun value of the game (though obviously on the graphics) and has proved to be more entertaining than most new releases I've played in the past year. * - Can someone give me a run down on why this game is so hated amongst Deus Ex fans? It's been a while since I played it but I remember that I really liked it and beat it in only a few sittings. Furthermore it seems to have generally decent reviews and, while not as thrilling as its predecessor, doesn't seem that bad of a game solely on its own merits.
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Weedle posted:stick with the prod. prod with the prod
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Weedle posted:what an expansive mistake you turned out to be YCS deus ex threads are the best
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Fuzz posted:I always loved setting a LAM on the plane so what's her face gets blown up and Lebedev actually escapes... as I recall he shows up again later in the game to help out in some way. Not as crazy as my realization, on playing through the game a second time, that you can SAVE PAUL. That blew my loving mind the first time, even if he only just shows up in Hong Kong later and doesn't do that much other than call you right at the end of the game. HOW? I've seen a video where the only way possible is to set up all the TNT you can find in the level into a trap for the MIBs. Is it possible at all to normally just fight through it and save him?
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Pomale posted:It's been a while since I played it but I remember that I really liked it and beat it in only a few sittings. Furthermore it seems to have generally decent reviews and, while not as thrilling as its predecessor, doesn't seem that bad of a game solely on its own merits. You pretty much summed it up. Its a fine game, but a lot of systems are changed or dumbed down, and the levels are way smaller than it should be. Plus Alex is kind of a douchebag unless you choose female.
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Red Crown posted:HOW? paul is invulnerable during the whole fight, you can just hide and let Paul deal with everything in the room and the lobby. he only "dies" if you leave through the window
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Weedle posted:what an expansive mistake you turned out to be JC Tenton was one of the best threads ever
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Weedle posted:If I'm thinking of the right place, there should be a hazmat suit sitting around near the toxic room. Oh, I definitely found the hazmat suit, but as soon as I step in the room I insta-die. I've turned on a hazmat aug, put on the suit, leveled up envi-protection to 3 (it's sort of nice not choking on my need for skill-points, thanks shifter!) and I still collapse immediately beyond the threshold. God, I don't wanna god-mode this, but I might be forced to god-mode this.
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Liesmith posted:JC Tenton was one of the best threads ever especially the youtube video where he tries to open the snack stash with his fat fingers
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Pomale posted:* - Can someone give me a run down on why this game is so hated amongst Deus Ex fans? It's been a while since I played it but I remember that I really liked it and beat it in only a few sittings. Furthermore it seems to have generally decent reviews and, while not as thrilling as its predecessor, doesn't seem that bad of a game solely on its own merits. DX:IW is to the original DX as Alien 3 was to Alien/Aliens: something that would have been just fine had it been its own thing, but since it was a follow-up to a hugely successful and influential work with an army of die-hard fans it ended up being unfairly maligned. The first thing that comes up is the engine; It was coded in about two weeks after one of their main programmers left, and this (not the  CONSOLES thing that gets tossed around whenever this is brought up) meant that the performance was terrible and the areas were really small, removing a lot of the exploration of the first game. The graphics were good for the time but they spent so much time and resources on stuff that really didn't matter (like ragdolls and shadows) that, again, it meant they couldn't have as much going on at once as the first. The aesthetic was also weird, because in spite of taking place after the societal collapse at the end of the first game everything looks more futuristic!For gameplay, passive mods and unique weapons were a nice addition, and some augs (like Bot Control) were a lot of fun, but overall the shooting just wasn't as good. The universal ammo system was almost understandable (pimping your pistol the whole game in DX only to realize there are almost no 9mm pickups in the endgame sucks) but its implementation was terrible, a shot from a sniper rifle could drain almost a whole clip! Especially once the super-soldiers get introduced in the endgame you could blow your entire stash of ammo in a single fight. They also completely ditched the experience and leveling system, which limited character customization and took away a lot of the motivation to explore and do side quests. Also, considering the huge length of the first game you can beat IW in about 10-15 hours. For the story, I thought they did a pretty good job following up JC's actions and working in all the endings of DX without having them contradict. The problem was having two factions to choose between: they would both send you to the same place to do almost the same thing, and even if you ignored one side they would always pop up asking for your help next time around, meaning that there was almost no consequence or reason for siding with one group or the other. Granted, in the original DX your actions had no bigger effect on the story or your relationship with the factions (you always disobey orders to see Paul, always defect, always kill Gunther and Anna, etc) but it was so painfully transparent in IW, even if they did work it into the story in a somewhat clever way by making them both fronts for the Illuminati. If DX: IW hadn't been a Deus Ex game at all but instead had been an unrelated sci-fi shooter it would probably have gotten a lot more love than it did. As it stands, it's just a frustrating reminder of all the things that made the original so good.
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Liesmith posted:JC Tenton was one of the best threads ever i tried to find the original fatjc.jpg but to no avail
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DXIW had the worst ammo system and the worst UI in any fps of its period, not to mention the awful engine that had inexplicably high system requirements and tiny level segments that took ages to load. i'm of the complete oppisite viewpoint, i think it was a godawful and broken game that only got a bit of love because it was a deus ex game, and hey, a deus ex game couldn't possibly be bad.
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...of SCIENCE! posted:On a modern rig with the HD texture pack I can force myself to like it because it's Deus Ex, but that's about it. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Apr 14, 2010 |
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the weak dragons tooth sword in IW is non-canon, much like the super-wimpy laser rapier in system shock 2
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You kind of needed a sword, though, because every loving fight drained your ammo to nothing by the end of that game. At least there was a better one in the sanctuary.
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Fag Boy Jim posted:the weak dragons tooth sword in IW is non-canon, much like the super-wimpy laser rapier in system shock 2 Speaking of the commandos, one of the few very cool moments in IW was when you got to meet your first one. Sure, everyone saw the reveal coming a mile away, but they almost made up for it. "Wait, Her Holiness is who and that guy... what the gently caress is he?" Carbohydrates posted:You kind of needed a sword, though, because every loving fight drained your ammo to nothing by the end of that game. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Apr 14, 2010 |
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Shumagorath posted:Finally, if you think anything about Deus Ex is cool there's only one ending worth choosing. two cool endings, i kinda want to like this game for finally having a sadly not-widely-emulated "gently caress all of you idiots" ending
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Thinking back to Cairo, I have to wonder what was wrong with Clara when you had to rescue her from Dumier's goons. Every time I would just flashbang the place (or not) and drop everyone with the baton before they could fire a shot. She should have been able to do that herself unless she chose nothing but those god-awful drone augs. The aug slots made no sense at all. Regeneration went in the eyes, and I never once chose it over Superman Vision due to the glut of medkits everywhere. Compare this to DX1 where I would still put points in medicine because it was fun.
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