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Angry Diplomat posted:All the time, and oh god yes. If you keep an eye out for rockets, it's pretty hard to run out if you're just using them on bots and the occasional recalcitrant door. The GEP gun is basically a giant skeleton key with a built-in bot disabling function. As long as you don't frivolously fire it at everything until you have no ammunition left, it will consistently and repeatedly come in handy for taking out inconveniently placed cameras, turrets, or just about anything else.
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stratdax posted:I can't even remember my own login info for my computer - and I think I deleted the note that told me what it was. jcdenton bionicman It's burned into my brain. Carbohydrates posted:psst As far as I'm concerned, a nonlethal run means the player doesn't kill anyone. Everyone else can kill who they want.
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When I was playing yesterday I noticed something I've never seen before. If you investigate the research labs under VersaLife in Hong Kong, you can see Maggie Chow talking to Bob Page about their secret plans. They even mention you, but in a dismissive way.
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Weedle posted:When I was playing yesterday I noticed something I've never seen before. If you investigate the research labs under VersaLife in Hong Kong, you can see Maggie Chow talking to Bob Page about their secret plans. They even mention you, but in a dismissive way. I see that every time. Always wish I could go through the glass and murder them, of course.
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Apr 27, 2010 15:28
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silvergoose posted:I see that every time. Always wish I could go through the glass and murder them, of course. I wish I could get their attention somehow to see them flip out.
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Apr 27, 2010 15:31
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The best part about the GEP gun is that you don't need to level the heavy weapon skill at all, it still kills from miles away. What happens if you don't assassinate that jounalist guy...Greene in the free clinic?
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Angry Diplomat posted:All the time, and oh god yes. If you keep an eye out for rockets, it's pretty hard to run out if you're just using them on bots and the occasional recalcitrant door. The GEP gun is basically a giant skeleton key with a built-in bot disabling function. As long as you don't frivolously fire it at everything until you have no ammunition left, it will consistently and repeatedly come in handy for taking out inconveniently placed cameras, turrets, or just about anything else. Huh. You know, I haven't even fired mine this playthrough so far (stealth run, but lethal as gently caress). I just got to Hong Kong though, so I probably still have some decent opportunities left. Looks like I'll start using it more often! GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Apr 27, 2010 |
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Weedle posted:I wish I could get their attention somehow to see them flip out. LAM on the glass, GEP to the LAM. Maybe a gas grenade could work as well. Most likely it won't do anything, but it'd be hilarious if it gibbed them there and then only for them to pop up again later.
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Leathal posted:I may have missed it being posted already, but is there a list of the hidden Shifter weapons and their locations somewhere? Google is totally failing me right now. I posted a list earlier, but it didn't have every location. Here's the complete list: Blackjack: Unique Baton. If you stay nonlethal up until you hit Hell's Kitchen then it'll show up in Paul's apartment. It does drastically boosted damage (I think around 14) and the only downside is that it can't be thrown. The Shifter change-log indicates that if you kill someone early and miss out on the Blackjack, you'll get access to two extra boxes of Explosive 10mm later on. Toxin Blade: Unique Combat Knife. Underneath Smuggler's pillow the first time you visit Hell's Kitchen. It's essentially identical to the weapon of the same name in Invisible War, inflicting a "stun" effect on each blow, allowing you to easily stab lone enemies to death without fear of retaliation. Magnum: Unique Pistol. It's on the back of Lebedev's bed. It does more damage but makes more noise. Mysteriously, it still uses 10mm ammo. Note that it will never be powerful enough (except if you're loading explosive bullets) to break cameras. Lo Bruto: Unique Stealth Pistol. Carried (and used) by Jojo Fine. It's stats are a little tweaked around from the base stealth pistol. In particular, I believe that it does more damage and is slightly more accurate but has a smaller magazine capacity and more recoil. Makes for an excellent sniper pistol. Prototype Nanoswords: Unique swords (that means they only take 3 spaces in your inventory). Mk I can be found on the person of the MiB in the MJ12 biolab underneath UNATCO. You must knock him unconscious to get it (easy with a stun prod). Mk II on corpse of Versalife employee in collapsed Canal Road tunnel. Mk III on the desk in Captain's Quarters of the Wall Cloud. They all behave largely like the DTS: doing damage multiple times per swing. The Mk I and Mk II have an interesting property: their damage is unstable. As you wave them around, you may notice that the glow effect will change in intensity. This directly corresponds to the damage done. The Mk I does 8 base damage always, but the glow indicates the number of times it hits. No glow: 1x. Light glow: 5x. Full glow: 15x! The Mk I shifts states very quickly. The Mk II always hits 5 times, but its base damage changes. Light glow: 8 damage. Full glow: 15 damage. The glow doesn't change very quickly. The Mk III is stable at 14 (x5). Boomstick: Unique Sawed-Off Shotgun. Found in Jock's apartment. Big damage, big recoil, 'nuff said. I believe that it can blow up cameras with enough skill and some sabot slugs. Jackhammer: Unique Assault Shotgun. Found in the security bot hatch in Smuggler's place the last time you can visit. Fires extremely rapidly (about 10 shots a second). Great if you like overkill. Precision Rifle: Unique Sniper Rifle. Found in the shack on top of the skyscraper in Paris Jock drops you on. Fast firing and equipped with an infrared scope (which is incompatible with the targeting aug's expanded functionality). Beware: it can't shoot out cameras. Railgun: Unique Plasma Rifle. Can be found in the arms dealer's house in Paris or carried by Simons in Area 51. Fires a coherent beam of plasma through walls and people. Comes equipped with a scope that lets you peer through solid objects (also incompatible with the targeting aug). It eats 4 units of plasma ammo per shot and has to be reloaded each time. I-LAW: Unique GEP gun. Found in Hell's Kitchen's sewers, underneath the boulder blocking off the MJ12 facility during your third visit. It's the size and shape of an assault shotgun, and is just as maneuverable. It carries 4 rockets in a magazine. Fires special light rockets (that can be picked off of the corpses of MJ12 commandos. Take note: these have no homing properties. Far less damaging than the GEP gun (less than 1/3 the damage), but ammo is everywhere. It'll still blow through most doors (all of them at trained skill and above), but it has trouble with 'bots. It takes 2-3 rockets to take out a "chicken-walker" security bot, and likely much more to defeat a milbot. Don't try comparing it to a LAM, either: the LAM is way more damaging than the label says. It still kills the hell out of anything made of meat, though. Shifter's author is going to hate me for this. He really doesn't want this list circling around. So do him (and yourself) a favor; if you haven't made a pretty good effort to find these yourself, don't mouse over this list. These are meant to be rewards for exploration, so explore.
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silvergoose posted:I see that every time. Always wish I could go through the glass and murder them, of course. Rex Deckard posted:And everyone has forgotten the best thing to do with Maggie Chow after you deal with her. Chuck her off the roof to the street. For some reason that drives the cops insane.
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Apr 27, 2010 16:02
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I must say that setting people on fire with flare darts has become my favorite part of shifter.
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Apr 27, 2010 16:14
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Who else likes to install the safe-fall leg upgrades so you can jump out the window after finishing the NSF HQ in New York and skip dealing with all of the guards? That is if you didn't knock them all out beforehand
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Apr 27, 2010 16:27
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I always have the leg aug by the time I defect from UNATCO, but for some reason I missed it in my current playthrough. I have no idea how.
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Weedle posted:I always have the leg aug by the time I defect from UNATCO, but for some reason I missed it in my current playthrough. I have no idea how. I've been doing a sneaky/nonlethal playthrough and I've just realised I missed it; it's at the bottom of Jojo's warehouse. If Walton Simons has started interviewing the NSF prisoners, you're too late. 
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Xander77 posted: (Should totally be made a board smiley as :jcdenton: ) e; VVV joke un-ruined, thanks. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Apr 27, 2010 |
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Apr 27, 2010 17:41
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Ansob. posted:e; my joke is ruined by loving waffleimages being down and SA blocking every other image host. Thanks, forums. http://imgur.com/
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tadashi posted:Who else likes to install the safe-fall leg upgrades so you can jump out the window after finishing the NSF HQ in New York and skip dealing with all of the guards? That is if you didn't knock them all out beforehand It's better in Vandenberg - GEP the bots, jump off the roof with comedy legs. Job done, time taken: a few reloads of the GEP. Weedle posted:I always have the leg aug by the time I defect from UNATCO, but for some reason I missed it in my current playthrough. I have no idea how. It's in Jaime's closet the second time you go back to UNATCO. Possibly the third.
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gently caress that, we need a JC Tenton emoticon where he eats a chocolate bar and then adjusts his sunglasses. My appetite is augmented.
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Apr 27, 2010 18:57
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Does Paul always tell you that you "killed a lot of people tonight" after finishing Liberty Island, regardless of kill count? I've never gotten him to say anything different. Does only the prod count as non-lethal for his dialogue or something?
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Apr 27, 2010 19:12
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He says "you're doing good so far" if you baton/prod/crossbow everybody
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Mr_Person posted:Does Paul always tell you that you "killed a lot of people tonight" after finishing Liberty Island, regardless of kill count? I've never gotten him to say anything different. Does only the prod count as non-lethal for his dialogue or something?
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I knew I bought this Xonar DX for something! EAX emulation actually works! ... the card is even named DX 
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Apr 27, 2010 19:35
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On that same note, is there any way to resolve the hostage situation in the Battery Park subway station without gas grenades? I was forced to sneak into the overhead air duct and cap a bunch of heads with a silenced pistol because there was no other LTL solution, even though I vaguely remember my 15-year-old self solving the situation relatively peacefully. Maybe I'm crazy.
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Apr 27, 2010 19:36
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If you sneak around the whole station and go to the back of it, then avoid the nsf guy that patrols near there, you can talk to one of the hostages, then open the subway door and they'll get on. Or maybe you can just open the subway door without talking to them first, I dunno.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:On that same note, is there any way to resolve the hostage situation in the Battery Park subway station without gas grenades? I was forced to sneak into the overhead air duct and cap a bunch of heads with a silenced pistol because there was no other LTL solution, even though I vaguely remember my 15-year-old self solving the situation relatively peacefully. Maybe I'm crazy. Usually I take all the TNT crates into a vent and blow them just to be sure.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:On that same note, is there any way to resolve the hostage situation in the Battery Park subway station without gas grenades? Step one: snipe (with crossbow or some kind of actual gun) at least one of the guys guarding the stairs. The others will either run off or start shooting you. If they start shooting you they're sitting ducks. Step two: when no more are in sight, go down to the barricade. Get a box nearby so you can jump back onto it if needs be. Shoot anyone you can from on top of it, otherwise move down and get the rest of them (they will tend to run into LoS). Step three: EMP grenade, or go through the vents. There may be one still hanging around. It's really really easy. I can't remember failing it without going out of my way to do it the fast way (shoot one of the TNTs)
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Weedle posted:I always have the leg aug by the time I defect from UNATCO, but for some reason I missed it in my current playthrough. I have no idea how. Is it possible to NOT defect? I'm playing for the first time and I'm trying to be a loyal UNATCO soldier. I go back to Paul and tell him, "no dice, I'm going to Hong Kong." but then the helicopter isn't on the roof anymore.
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Best hostage solution: Sneak into the top of the shafts above the subway and snipe the nsf with the tranq dart. They'll notice you, but won't be able to hit you much if you just sneak back into the duct occasionally. After they are all gone, talk to the hostages. Then leave, throwing a lam behind you to detonate all the tnt and kill the hostages. Paul flips out.
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Is Jojo's warehouse the same one as the NSF generator? I just got to that part last night and would really like my super legs since I have never, ever found that aug cannister in my dozens of prior play throughs. 
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Turnquiet posted:Is Jojo's warehouse the same one as the NSF generator? I just got to that part last night and would really like my super legs since I have never, ever found that aug cannister in my dozens of prior play throughs. Yus indeed. It's in a safe in the room in the very basement, surrounded by cameras, laser triplines, turrets and soldiers. An absolute bitch to get when you're trying not to kill anyone On the plus side, you get to lock Walton Simons in a cupboard when you get back to HQ.  
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HardCorey posted:Is it possible to NOT defect? Yeah, you gotta side with the NSF on this one I'm afraid. They didn't create a whole other storyline for if you side with the bad guys. You know what does? The Nameless Mod.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:On that same note, is there any way to resolve the hostage situation in the Battery Park subway station without gas grenades? I was forced to sneak into the overhead air duct and cap a bunch of heads with a silenced pistol because there was no other LTL solution, even though I vaguely remember my 15-year-old self solving the situation relatively peacefully. Maybe I'm crazy. Don't go through the front door, just use the ventilation grates - there's an unlocked one in one of those little shacks. Use a tranq dart from the upper ventilation ducts, or go to the lower, ground level ducts, sneak out, tase one guy, sneak back in to the duct, rinse repeat.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:On that same note, is there any way to resolve the hostage situation in the Battery Park subway station without gas grenades? If you don't mind baiting the AI, go down the main subway entrance. Tranq as many as you can, then for any remaining ones, wait for them to go patrol then attract the attention of the nearest by firing a regular dart near him. If you crouch on the edge of the wall of boxes, just by the corner, so they can't see you, they'll run upstairs then you can baton them into submission one at a time as they emerge past the corner.
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Amethyst posted:The best part about the GEP gun is that you don't need to level the heavy weapon skill at all, it still kills from miles away. Mid to late game, getting one level is a good idea. The lock-on becomes faster and more reliable, it reloads faster, and some of the bigger robots go down in one hit instead of two. Protip: normally, wielding a heavy gun makes you walk and turn like a snail, but crouching negates this. quote:What happens if you don't assassinate that jounalist guy...Greene in the free clinic? Nothing. Gynovore fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Apr 28, 2010 |
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tadashi posted:Who else likes to install the safe-fall leg upgrades so you can jump out the window after finishing the NSF HQ in New York and skip dealing with all of the guards? That is if you didn't knock them all out beforehand If this is the area I'm thinking of, my favorite way to clear it is to throw the TNT crate off of the top level, then jump down off the side using the aug. It will explode at the bottom and blow up a shitload of gas barrels, taking out pretty much everyone. Mopping up with the stealth pistol afterwards is easy if you need to. This one of my favorite  moments in the whole game.
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I'm trying out Biomod's new Spy Drone. I haven't had the chance to do much of its new interaction stuff (it can only read datacubes at lvl2, use switches at 3 and hack at 4) but a level 3 drone stops one of those chicken-legged robots in its tracks with fairly minimal energy cost. Though that may have been the case in vanilla DX too.
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Most of the time for me, unless I slaughter every NSF terrorist in the subway as fast as I can, one of them will run through the laser grid. It's pretty rare that I get their attention and they don't immediately bolt to set off the explosives. Not sure what I'm doing wrong every time.
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Aren't they immune to the laser grid? I've also never gotten the fire extinguisher to make lasers scatter.
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I just started a new Realistic difficulty pacifist run with Shifter. I made it to Hell's Kitchen and took care of the situation in the 'Ton, and now the UNATCO troops out in the streets are just spontaneously falling to the ground unconscious as I walk past.  They're also dropping weird loot, such as swords, zyme, and GEP guns. I'll try to record a video if it keeps happening because this is weird as hell.
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