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Christobevii3 posted:What makes it stand out? You still have no confirmation of an iphone and the carriers are fighting at price level on plans now. What about as a value play?
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Or the fact that FiOS would compliment a nationwide internet type government infrastructure plan the most.
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I dunno. VZ was attractive to me last year, and nothing seems to be better (in fact, their situation seems worse nowadays, and I don't think them getting the iPhone would be nearly as impactful nowadays), and it's only gone down, down, down since then. I have no idea why, though... I'm just glad I never bought any of it.
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ayekappy posted:Or the fact that FiOS would compliment a nationwide internet type government infrastructure plan the most. The problem with 4G though is its an area Verizon doesn't have quite as much of a technological edge (other than being first to release it and having much much larger national footprint, but both of those were going to be done without the governments money anyway), so it isn't like they would be the sole winner of the government's money bonanza like they would if it was going to be given to the best land line service.
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fougera posted:What about as a value play? With a price/free cash flow ratio of 25, I'm not convinced.
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ayekappy posted:Or the fact that FiOS would compliment a nationwide internet type government infrastructure plan the most. FioS is kinda dead. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g49dcJwB9f4ThxaYzwK-FsaaWY5QD9EMFVEO0 greasyhands fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Apr 25, 2010 |
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Apr 25, 2010 07:41
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Does anyone know what will happen with RBS and LLOY stock on the London stock exchange when the UK government decides to sell its stake? I know huge holding being sold will decrease the price and all, but it usually comes together with the company doing badly. With the government actually selling because "they can make it without us now", will the price be affected, because the massive selling is a sign of the companies' strength rather than weakness? Any ideas? Asking because I'm thinking there might be some discounted LLOY and RBS shares in there to get once HM treasure decide it's time.
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fougera posted:What about as a value play? Value play what? The earnings growth isn't there, winding down fios, debt carrying industry, and not going outside of north america for growth? It is a telecom, which like most infrastructure companies have a high cost of doing business just to stay in business. The only thing I could see help them to become a value play is inflation, since it would make their prior debt service cost go down. Value play would be like Exxon Mobile or someone with a poo poo ton of cash, but again its not really a growing industry atm either.
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The wildcard with Verizon too is what they end up doing with Vodafone about Verizon Wireless.
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Christobevii3 posted:Value play what? The earnings growth isn't there, winding down fios, debt carrying industry, and not going outside of north america for growth? It is a telecom, which like most infrastructure companies have a high cost of doing business just to stay in business. The only thing I could see help them to become a value play is inflation, since it would make their prior debt service cost go down. Value play would be like Exxon Mobile or someone with a poo poo ton of cash, but again its not really a growing industry atm either. Not to mention that every major player in the industry is gearing up to beat the hell out of each other soon. I have a feeling that telecom is going to be a wild ride in the next few years until someone figures out how the future of broadband is going to be handled. I think as more people get angry with it, they will eventually end up like the old utility and bell companies. Regulated and slow growth. VZ has one nice rear end dividend though... Cheesemaster200 fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Apr 26, 2010 |
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Cheesemaster200 posted:VZ has one nice rear end dividend though... doesn't mean poo poo if it drops more than the dividend in the quarter though.
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Zarrr posted:Looks like you made the right call. Crazy run today. *facepalm*
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Zarrr posted:0.83 and rising?  edit: gently caress, I suck at this. destructo fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Apr 26, 2010 |
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destructo posted:Got out at 0.824 All I can think of is that FBC's trying to avoid getting de-listed by making a run at $1.00. Should have held one more day. Gah.
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I don't personally like VZ, however I don't think you would be taking a severe risk by putting cash into it if you know what you're getting into. I was scanning through their most recent 10-K, looking over their balance sheet, reading up on anything of interest in the news about them and came to the conclusion that if you're looking to get a pretty stable dividend with a decent company and more importantly can pay the price tag to get enough shares to make it worthwhile, then there are worse decisions you could make than to invest in Verizon. What made me not buy them is there are better companies, with businesses I choose to understand more, with equal/better dividends and secure income and in all likelihood more upside. I wouldn't make Verizon my crown jewel in my portfolio, but it's not bad if you have shares in other companies that are paying dividends/appreciating in value as well. I guess my conclusion was there are worse places you can put your money and there are better places. Verizon is just an easy place to put your money that probably won't punish you too severely if you intend to hold it. Edit: With something like Verizon I think it comes down to the "I own shares in <well known company>" effect. There are better more obscure places to put your money, but if you like the idea of owning shares in VZ, then go for it. You probably won't make as much money as the guy who found an amazing small cap stock, but you probably won't lose as much money as the speculating chart junkie. Jabbu fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Apr 26, 2010 |
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Zarrr posted:I am absolutely floored by the rise. Anywhere close to $1.00 is a ridiculous p/e ratio for a company mired in debt with no growth on the horizon.
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We may be nearing a top since a lot of junk rear end stocks are taking off big time. Look at the rental car industry!
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Christobevii3 posted:Dollar and market rally on Greece and Euroe failing? I literally watched yields go from 7% to 9% at lunch and 11% leaving work today. lol greece http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=GGGB10YR:IND http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=GGGB2YR:IND
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I liked the feedback I got on VZ, how about INTC? What's the deal with it pulling back after reporting "blockbuster earnings"?
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fougera posted:I liked the feedback I got on VZ, how about INTC? What's the deal with it pulling back after reporting "blockbuster earnings"? It went up like 10%+ in 2-3 days. Personally I think its underweight and seeing resistance at 24ish, especially since things look like the bulls are losing steam. Cheesemaster200 fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Apr 27, 2010 |
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ATLbeer posted:http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=GGGB10YR:IND Aahahah 13% now wtf. Supposedly the exposure to European banks is similar to the size of Lehman brothers blowing up, overnight lending crisis anyone?
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My PIN is 4826 posted:Does anyone know what will happen with RBS and LLOY stock on the London stock exchange when the UK government decides to sell its stake? Today's action in C might be telling.
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fougera posted:What do you all think of VZ, Reading over its SEC filings, I think its a big time buy now. Great dividends, great long term prospects, slow but not too volatile, I'm long the shares and if you can afford 100 shares and then some it's a great stock to trade options on : ) . Can't we adopt more of a positive money-making attitude in this thread? I feel some negative vibes, interspersed with much discussion of little known penny stocks, coming through the ether. Maybe it's just me...
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Thinking about buying tomorrow for mid to long term JNJ, GS, IRM, and some more BND for balance
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Just an FYI on Verizon. Let's just say the company is trying to layoff 21,000 Union people. The current union contact allows them to layoff 9,000 but the company wants to do an additional 12k. The Unions have told Verizon if they take one person over the 9,000 then the entire workforce will go on strike.
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I WANT TO EAT BABBY posted:Today's action in C might be telling. dip as people panic that 1.5 billion shares is going to dilute the market so much C will never make it back to 5? I closed my C position and moved over to QCOM, from what I can tell they like to have great earnings(increase their share price), then declare their next Quarter will be lovely(decrease their share price), the stock slowly climbs back up until Earning. So it's a 3 month call... Foma posted:buying GS Why not in JPM?
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Nice jump on SIRI yesterday. When Ford does good, so does SIRI.
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Foma posted:Thinking about buying tomorrow for mid to long term JNJ, GS, IRM, and some more BND for balance I am putting a position in for JNJ some time this week. GS is too much in the news now for my tastes. However it is at a good price.
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Reading through this thread, I feel like you guys are discussing quantum physics while I'm still trying to grasp long division. Please tell me I'm not alone. I see a lot of people talking about Apple and Toyota stocks. As someone just starting in the game why does it make sense to go with a small amount of these $100+ shares versus banking in smaller shares? For example, shares trading at a dollar or less and selling 12 months later when/if they profit. I'll take my answer off the air, thanks.
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Dr. Needleman posted:Reading through this thread, I feel like you guys are discussing quantum physics while I'm still trying to grasp long division. Please tell me I'm not alone. The problem with the penny stocks is that this is usually not the case. Investing in them is usually just betting that there might be a short term jump to take profits on. That or you better be drat sure that they have some new product which will launch them into the big leagues. Also, stop looking at share price. If anything look at market capitalization.
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Dr. Needleman posted:I see a lot of people talking about Apple and Toyota stocks. As someone just starting in the game why does it make sense to go with a small amount of these $100+ shares versus banking in smaller shares? For example, shares trading at a dollar or less and selling 12 months later when/if they profit.
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Thanks for the responses guys, that makes a lot of sense. I've been a part of my companies employee stock purchase program for a year, but haven't ventured out beyond the safety net.
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What the hell just happened? Dow down 129 points, every stock I am looking at is in the red today, yet consumer confidence is up more than expected. What just happened?
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Greece got downgraded again and Portugal just got its first downgrade, like dominoes?
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..... I guess I just dont understand that. When a foreign country has an issue, why would that send the entire stock market down? Who says, Greece is having problems, Sell my Johnson and Johnson stock!!
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Koirhor posted:Just an FYI on Verizon. Let's just say the company is trying to layoff 21,000 Union people. The current union contact allows them to layoff 9,000 but the company wants to do an additional 12k. The Unions have told Verizon if they take one person over the 9,000 then the entire workforce will go on strike.
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MrBigglesworth posted:What the hell just happened? Are you really questioning a single down day after about 90 straight days of nothing but up days? Furthermore the problem with Greece is the same problem that sent the entire market down way back in 2008. But instead of American houses it is the debt of a few countries.
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ayekappy posted:Greece got downgraded again and Portugal just got its first downgrade, like dominoes?
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MrBigglesworth posted:Nice jump on SIRI yesterday. When Ford does good, so does SIRI. and SIRI drops with Ford. lo.
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