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Smeef
Aug 15, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



Pillbug
I've worked manual labor, and I've worked office jobs. After years of monotony in an office job, many people (myself included) quite enjoy doing physical work. Of course, doing manual labor for years on end would get monotonous as well, not to mention taxing on your health. Then again, sitting in a chair all day is bad for your health, too.

I think long hours and little vacation are the absolute worst, because it prevents you from being active outside of work. People who work 9-5 and complain about not having time to do what they want are just being lazy. I have friends who work 100 hours/week ruining our economy, and they still find time to do things for themselves. My friends who are depressed, down and out are the ones who just go home after work and prepare for another day.

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Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

Smeef posted:

I think long hours and little vacation are the absolute worst, because it prevents you from being active outside of work. People who work 9-5 and complain about not having time to do what they want are just being lazy. I have friends who work 100 hours/week ruining our economy, and they still find time to do things for themselves. My friends who are depressed, down and out are the ones who just go home after work and prepare for another day.

It's all down to the individual. Lots of people seem to expect life to throw exciting events at them just beacause. An old roommate of mine complained, on her first trip to NYC, that there was nothing to do. You just can't help people like that.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Rustybear posted:

Not only this but the higher up fucks are obsessed with spontaneous growth or some bullshit which means the wall has to constantly grow. My manager's predecessor actually lost his job because he let the team down by allowing their wall's growth to flatline.

jokes on them, got to run out of wall space some day.

Although possibly by that time every inch of office will just be hellish carnival of forced smiles blankly grinning everyone insane.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler
After reading the countless stories of people being fired over stupid loopholes and backstabbing by managers I'm still wondering how there are not more office shootings out there. Maybe people are going on to better jobs, but drat! From what I've read I'd expect a daily occurrence of "rear end in a top hat manager gunned down while getting out of his Porsche" in the news.

Here's my story about being fired. (sorry It's so long)

I was working one summer for an engineering company that was overseeing a highway being redone. I was supposed to be doing computer work (recording all the ton-miles, amount of materials used, etc) but somehow ended up outside recording truck mileage/load weight and dumping location. Basically we had to work out how much the truckers got paid based on how much they carried, how far, and what materials. I would record their info, write them a ticket with that info, and keep a copy. This would usually end up being about 200-300 tickets a day. I would usually keep them separated in groups of 50 to keep them manageable.

One day my manager Judy, a cantankerous old bitch started reaming me out that my tickets were not in order. I told her the tickets were divided according to trucking company (three different ones) and they were in chronological order (most recent on the bottom of the pile). Since this was how it was supposed to be entered into the computer she stood there for a second and I could tell she was trying to think of something wrong. . .

:j: "you should put the oldest on the top."
:v: "That's how I've been doing them."
:j: "Well do it the other way!"
:v: "Ok maam! I'll be sure to do it. Sorry for that mistake."
:j: "You're getting a written warning!"

Three days later at the end of my shirt I get called to the office (portable office that's on the side of the highway. I go in and my boss Judy is there with her boss (her husband Rick).

:v: "Uhh, what's the problem?"
:bahgawd: "Judy says that you've been having trouble with your tickets!"
:j: "That's right he was making a mess of them."
:v: "No, there was just a miscommunication earlier, it's been resolved!"
:bahgawd: "Now who do I believe here?"
:v: "I worked the computer for a week and the way the tickets are entered into the system are as such . . . "
:bahgawd: "Yes, that's right!" But last night you made a mess of things!"
:v: "How so?"
:bahgawd: " Look at this pile!" (I forgot to put a pile of 50 tickets in the backwards order Judy wanted.
:j: It will take me 30 minutes to fix this mess.

(I reach over and turn the pile upside down and pick up a ticket, flipping it in the process).

:bahgawd: "Are you trying to be a smartass! That pile is upside down!

(I pick up the pile and take the top ticket and place it on the desk top with the second ticket being placed over it, etc. Total time 25 seconds.

:bahgawd: "I don't think I like your attitude!"
:v: I quit!

Turns out they were just looking for an excuse to fire me so they could replace me with their daughter who had just lot her job coaching figure skating. Before I left one of the truckers asked why I was packing up and I explained the situation. When I ran into one of the guys from the engineering firm later that summer he said every trucker from then on signed the tickets "Idiot run engineering firm" instead of the actual name of the firm. One night Judy and Rick must have spend hours pre-filling in the name of their firm so the truckers would stop writing the other stuff, which must have taken countless hours. . . which the truckers just crossed out and re-wrote their original slander. The firm finally had to go and spend a few thousand to have custom made tickets that had the name of their firm already filled in. . . which the truckers still crossed out the name of. The reason why this was so important is that the Ministry of Transportation (or some other government agency) has to see the tickets to make sure everything is ligit and nobody is fudging the numbers. This also wouldn't be the best advertising for the firm to have three different trucking companies calling them idiots. I spent the rest of my summer working masonry with my uncle for a little less, but without the headache, while Judy and Rick spent the rest of their summer trying to reason with their bosses who were wondering why all the truckers through they were idiots.

I loving love truckers!

Blistex fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Apr 30, 2010

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

dr_rat posted:

jokes on them, got to run out of wall space some day.

Although possibly by that time every inch of office will just be hellish carnival of forced smiles blankly grinning everyone insane.

By then whoever thought of the initiative will have been promoted and a new boss will be forcing everyone to wear big t-shirts with team slogans on or something. I dont care I got my reference and I'm out of there ahaha.

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

Howard Beale posted:

Someone in HR decided that while a list of Positives and Negatives was a good thing to have on an evaluation, the word "Negative" was too, uh, negative. So instead we had Positives and Deltas, where "Delta" was "Room for Improvement".

Apparently just naming it "Room for Improvement" wasn't good enough, because calling it "Delta" meant you could use pluses and triangles for the Powerpoint bullet points.

Oh poo poo yeah my current employer does quarterly employee assessments except some stupid gently caress decided that satisfactory and unsatisfactory was damaging our precious morale so they changed it to satisfactory and needs improvement. Except some other stupid gently caress decided at the same time that no employee should be left to rest on their laurels and that no matter how good something was we should always try to improve it.

So instead of getting a pretty objective rundown of what you were doing right and where you were loving up like we used to get. We now just get a list of all the things we need to do better to avoid being fired. Except the fucks who thought of the idea in the first place because this system is the apex of perfection apparently and could not possibly be improved in any way.

Rustybear fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Apr 30, 2010

Oswald Kesselpot
Jan 14, 2008

HONK HONK HONK

Rustybear posted:

This is the truth. No matter how bad corporate bullshit gets remember that blue-collar stuff is way worse. Same high school politics only irregular hours, irregular pay, physical exhaustion and health problems.
Humping 90 or 105 pound bundles of a shingles up a 40 foot ladder so you can nail them to a roof in 100 degree heat with no shade is a horrible way to make a living. Sure, I bitch about stupid office poo poo and being an unappreciated drone, but then I realize that I am not sunburned and sweating while I bitch, and that I haven't seen anyone fall off of a roof or accidentally shoot themselves or a coworker with a nail gun in years.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug
Crosspostin' from the retail thread, where I posted this by mistake first (it was supposed to go here!)

Another Scandinaviagoon here. I used to work for a global computer/electronics manufacturer that was hit hard during the financial crisis, so downsizing was needed. In the US, about 900 employees came to work one day at a callcenter and found a note on the door saying "You don't work here anymore. Go home."

We in Scandinavia first got 6 months protective notice, meaning that we were guaranteed work for that period. After that we got fired with three months notice, 6 months if you had worked there more than 10 years. You could leave before the end of your notice if your manager let you, and you still got paid for the whole period. If we didn't quit during those 9-12 months, we got our severance package, which was three more months of pay. We also got our remaining vacation paid out in cash, and since we had moved there to work, we got a percentage of our stay on-bonus paid out. All in all my last paycheck after our ridiculously high socialist taxes was about $24000.

Now, for my question: Why, in the US, does your previous workplace have a say in whether or not you get unemployment? Do they have to pay for it?

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Rustybear posted:

This is the truth. No matter how bad corporate bullshit gets remember that blue-collar stuff is way worse. Same high school politics only irregular hours, irregular pay, physical exhaustion and health problems.

Very, very true. I hate 'corporate life', but it's still way the gently caress better than those summer manual labor jobs in high school. I'll smile and nod at assholes all day before I'll carry piles of bricks up and down ladders again. :)

quote:

Now, for my question: Why, in the US, does your previous workplace have a say in whether or not you get unemployment? Do they have to pay for it?

Indirectly, they pay for a part of it. Unemployment Insurance (as the program technically is called) is paid in part by federal and state payroll taxes. Your employer *does* pay for it in that sense, but not in the sense of an immediately visible payout.

The catch is that, like every other social welfare program in the USA, it falls way short of what it should and could do because of dumbasses who think that it demotivates finding work (completely not true). As with most things in the US, you can blame this pathetic system on conservatives and badly used state-rights.

In reality:

* The vast majority of US citizens are actually ineligible for it. (Contractors, self-employed, part-time, 'for cause' firings, and some cases of company bankruptcy are not covered.)
* Your unemployment benefits are taxed as income both at federal and (I think also for all states) at state level.
* Unemployment caps at a certain number of months, varying state by state, and the income you get from it is based on your previous income. Less previous income means less unemployment. You have to prove weekly in most states that you're still eligible for it, and the payment is usually close to or below federal poverty level before taxes.

Some states also have other catches. Let's take your notification period as an example. Had you been given a notification period in the USA (:lol:), if you left before your notification period ended, you would not have received unemployment. You voluntarily left your job. If you accepted a severance package, depending on your state you would not have been eligible for unemployment. That would technically override your unemployment insurance and count for it in its place.

In some states, if you are receiving other federal or state aid, you are ineligible for unemployment. For example, a permanently disabled person unable to work does not receive unemployment insurance. They would (hopefully, maybe) receive another form of (underfunded) welfare aid, but not unemployment.


As an example, my girlfriend didn't bother with unemployment after losing her job in New Hampshire last year. Due to her former income, she would be receiving $76.00 per week. Due to where she would have to go every week in person to prove she was still eligible for unemployment insurance, she would spend over 1/2 of it on gasoline just to get there and back. It would not be worth losing a full day of job-hunting and interviewing just to receive $30ish after taxes.

Sundae fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Apr 30, 2010

Oswald Kesselpot
Jan 14, 2008

HONK HONK HONK

evobatman posted:

Now, for my question: Why, in the US, does your previous workplace have a say in whether or not you get unemployment? Do they have to pay for it?
My laymans understanding of it is that unemployment benefits are treated like insurance that is mandated and run by the government. If a company lays of a bunch of people that then go and collect unemployment, the companies unemployment insurance rates go up. There are a variety of reasons people can be denied unemployment, so if a company is trying to save money they will just challenge everyone's claim and hope that people either give up or lose there claim, that way the company avoids paying higher unemployment insurance rates.

The rules vary from state to state, but I am pretty sure this is how it works for most areas.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

bleedbackwards posted:

My dad worked dangerous oilfield jobs his whole life and died young so that I could get an education and I wouldn't have to do the same poo poo. I just find it annoying that suburban kids think it's some kind of glorious sacrifice to trade air-conditioned offices for jobs where you're treated as an automaton that gets spit out after your health is failing and you've provided all that you're worth. It belittles the sacrifices of the people who work these jobs because they grew up in poverty, didn't get a chance for an education, and don't have many other options because they have families to feed.

Thanks for the reminder to thank my parents for being so loving awesome. I was the first in my family to attend and graduate from a four year school because of that.

The Young Marge
Jul 19, 2006

but no one can talk to a horse, of course.
Oh boy, it's Annual Employee Survey Time!

"My job allows me to balance work priorities with my personal life."
- Now that you've cut all overtime and I don't have to stay until 11pm because you've made an impossible promise to an overseas client, sure!

"I understand the importance of the processes and procedures that are a part of my job."
- I receive 250 e-mails a day because you fuckheads decided to create e-mail lists that include EVERYONE IN THE COMPANY instead of just letting us send them to the one relevant person.

"I am provided with the training I need to do my job."
- You make changes to our procedures every other day and notify us via e-mail instead of updating the loving training manual (which was last modified in March, 2008). In addition, the instruction documents and templates I need are located in random and impossible to find places - the only way I can find one I haven't used before is by asking someone else and hoping they've saved a shortcut.

"My supervisor sets a clear direction for our workgroup."
- Well, when she's actually in the office, she sometimes holds "team meetings" so we can talk about our weekends. Does that count?

"There is a spirit of cooperation and open communication at my location."
- Management "accelerates" report dates and no one tells us until the week they're supposed to mail, no one notifies QA of the frequent procedural changes so they're constantly writing us up for doing things differently than they expect, and after the secretive layoffs a few months ago you stopped updating the employee list so I don't even know who works here anymore.

"Employee ideas are encouraged and embraced."
- I literally LOLed

"I find my job satisfying and rewarding."
- :psyduck:

"I believe the company will take action upon reviewing the results of this employee survey."
- :psyduck:

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

Blistex posted:

I spent the rest of my summer working masonry with my uncle for a little less, but without the headache, while Judy and Rick
I'm sure I can assume what Judy and Rick did, but you didn't finish your post. :)

I've worked a (thankfully) few jobs where that kind of nepotism is prevalent. It's hard to criticize, fix or work around a top-level decision when every manager is related to the guy. The kids don't want to go against their dad because then they'll have to find a real job (my immediate manager used to have a dog entered in Superdogs as the sum total of her work experience after getting an M. Eng in chemical engineering).

In the future, I should probably ask about it in interviews. "Will you be deliberately obstructionist when I try to actually solve a problem because your daddy might be temporarily upset and make Thanksgiving dinner awkward?"

e: I just remembered she met her husband at work too. :psyduck:

Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Apr 30, 2010

Astro7x
Aug 4, 2004
Thinks It's All Real

Sundae posted:

The catch is that, like every other social welfare program in the USA, it falls way short of what it should and could do because of dumbasses who think that it demotivates finding work (completely not true). As with most things in the US, you can blame this pathetic system on conservatives and badly used state-rights.

I felt that what I was getting through unemployment while I was on it was fair, $316 per week after taxes. It was just enough to cover my costs of living and made me feel a lot less stressed about finding my new more awesome job.

Sundae posted:

In reality:
* Unemployment caps at a certain number of months, varying state by state, and the income you get from it is based on your previous income. Less previous income means less unemployment. You have to prove weekly in most states that you're still eligible for it, and the payment is usually close to or below federal poverty level before taxes.

If I remember correctly for how it is in Illinois, it was basically 45% of what you made (over the past year? It was very clear that it wasn't 45% of your salary if you were salaried) with a cap where basically you didn't see any additional benefits if you made more than $50,000ish. I could be wrong though. I remember the max being about $425 per week. But then the Gov't would also do things like "hey, here's an extra $50, times are tough!" too.

I had a neighbor which capped out the most you could possibly make on Unemployment. He said that since unemployment benefits were more money than any minimum wage job it discouraged him from taking job offers because it. Why work 40 hrs a week when you can sit at home and search for a better job and make the same amount? I also know somebody on Michigan that has been on Unemployment for YEARS and keeps asking to have it extended.

Sundae posted:

As an example, my girlfriend didn't bother with unemployment after losing her job in New Hampshire last year. Due to her former income, she would be receiving $76.00 per week. Due to where she would have to go every week in person to prove she was still eligible for unemployment insurance, she would spend over 1/2 of it on gasoline just to get there and back. It would not be worth losing a full day of job-hunting and interviewing just to receive $30ish after taxes.

Like I said above, based on the benefit amount of 45% that means her unemployment benefits must have been based off her averaging earnings around $8,900 over the previous year. That sounds pretty lovely...

For IL you could do it all online. You had to call a number and report any earnings you made over the past two weeks and you would receive a lower unemployment benefit based on that. You also would have to keep a log of companies, names, and phone numbers of places you've been applying for work under the assumption that someday MAYBE someone would request it (they never did). Payments were made by direct deposit into a bank account, and if you didn't have one they would give you a debit card which you could use to spend the money.

It was the easiest thing ever.

Edit:

The Young Marge posted:

"There is a spirit of cooperation and open communication at my location."
- Management "accelerates" report dates and no one tells us until the week they're supposed to mail, no one notifies QA of the frequent procedural changes so they're constantly writing us up for doing things differently than they expect, and after the secretive layoffs a few months ago you stopped updating the employee list so I don't even know who works here anymore.

Ugh... secret layoffs are the worst. Especially when you work with those people as apart of your job, and you find out 4 days later that the reason they aren't responding to your e-mails are because they've been fired and nobody has been trained on the tasks you need them to do!

Astro7x fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Apr 30, 2010

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Seat Safety Switch posted:

I'm sure I can assume what Judy and Rick did, but you didn't finish your post. :)

I've worked a (thankfully) few jobs where that kind of nepotism is prevalent. It's hard to criticize, fix or work around a top-level decision when every manager is related to the guy. The kids don't want to go against their dad because then they'll have to find a real job (my immediate manager used to have a dog entered in Superdogs as the sum total of her work experience after getting an M. Eng in chemical engineering).

In the future, I should probably ask about it in interviews. "Will you be deliberately obstructionist when I try to actually solve a problem because your daddy might be temporarily upset and make Thanksgiving dinner awkward?"

e: I just remembered she met her husband at work too. :psyduck:

The school board I work for has an administration that's completely interbred or related to each other by marriage. One girl went from being a teacher for 3-4 years to being the principal of the largest school in the board just because her mom was the head of the board.

Thomase
Mar 18, 2009
So I work at a financial software company, my vacation requests are rescheduled constantly due to me personally being in demand, I work 10-12 hour days to find time to work for two of our largest projects who before I joined were heading towards the "red" timeline wise. I give training sessions, product demos, and well do whatever I can to help the company.

Company awards, perfect reviews only to find out that I was being paid significantly less then new highers being brought into my position. By significantly, i mean to the tune of 10-15 thousand a year less. Also, upon receiving my little slip of paper stating that my raise this year (darphur war orphans i apologize) was a massive 700CDN I was pretty furious.

So, as it turned out a perfect opportunity arose to change my position. Leading an out of the box, straight to market product that people in my position literally dream for. This position was literally tailored to me. I had the job before I went into the interview, it was a complete change in department and job specification so I would get to argue a new contract...

Low and behold my current manager avoids any discussion of the transition process with either my new manager, HR, or myself stating that they need to gauge the transition time of getting me off my current projects. He's requisitioned the hiring of 4-6 new TA consultants to replace me yet still won't give any indication as to when we can start the process.

loving oval office bag. I want my evenings, my weekends, my mornings back. If they could have given a competitive offer to stay in my position I probably would have too.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Astro7x posted:

Ugh... secret layoffs are the worst. Especially when you work with those people as apart of your job, and you find out 4 days later that the reason they aren't responding to your e-mails are because they've been fired and nobody has been trained on the tasks you need them to do!

Can someone explain to me why the gently caress this happens? Is it really that hard to send an e-mail saying, "So and so is no longer here"?

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Astro7x posted:



Like I said above, based on the benefit amount of 45% that means her unemployment benefits must have been based off her averaging earnings around $8,900 over the previous year. That sounds pretty lovely...

For IL you could do it all online. You had to call a number and report any earnings you made over the past two weeks and you would receive a lower unemployment benefit based on that. You also would have to keep a log of companies, names, and phone numbers of places you've been applying for work under the assumption that someday MAYBE someone would request it (they never did). Payments were made by direct deposit into a bank account, and if you didn't have one they would give you a debit card which you could use to spend the money.


In her case, it was actually less - they gave a higher percentage for lower incomes, slightly. She was in a "stipend internship" at $7,000 per year, if I recall her salary correctly. Basically, slave labor for graduates who can't find a real job. She absolutely had to her weekly process in-person, not online, which made it a lot harder. (Personally, I'm happy they laid her off from that shithole. It wasn't an internship - it was an abuse of labor laws. Hotel chains shouldn't be allowed to call their receptionist positions INTERNS.)

quote:

Ugh... secret layoffs are the worst. Especially when you work with those people as apart of your job, and you find out 4 days later that the reason they aren't responding to your e-mails are because they've been fired and nobody has been trained on the tasks you need them to do!

I hate this. They've done that to me on two of my projects now. My supply-chain contacts simply ceased to exist, with no replacements or notification to the project team that we no longer had anyone to get us our poo poo. It absolutely wrecks project timelines.

Harriet Carker
Jun 2, 2009

Roosevelt posted:

Last Christmas they decided not to take us out for dinner in a restaurant or give us money. Instead we had a company "open house", where everyone was asked to bring something.

The one before that we had a white elephant gift exchange! Aaaand it was a disaster. One manager opened his present, and it was a really thoughtful handmade knit hat (made by a rank-and-file employee). The rear end in a top hat just tossed it on the ground next to his chair with evident disdain and sat there with his arms crossed the rest of the time. He was complaining about it loudly to one of his buddies later.

At the same event, one of my friends took it really seriously and spent some money. She went out and bought a pretty nice bottle of vodka. And what did she get in return? The VP of Sales had someone make a joke calendar of the Marketing Director's face photoshopped onto pictures of bodybuilders. She was in tears afterward.

Orgasmo posted:

This is so tragic and awkward, it could very well be an episode of The Office.


This is an episode of The Office. Season 2 Episode 10, Christmas Party. Almost exactly.

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

The Young Marge posted:

Oh boy, it's Annual Employee Survey Time!

They used to do ours anonymously but they changed it so your name is printed on the form now because the torrent of abuse was too much to handle ahaha.

MuffinPanda
Jun 16, 2005
Fear me for I am Muffy P!
At least twice a week I'll be working quietly at my desk in a fairly good mood, then our marketing manager will walk by and smugly tell the sales guys:
:razz: "Make sure you're talking to the People with the Power of the Purse!"

I loving HATE YOU SO MUCH! :arghfist:

And yes, she somehow heavily emphasizes the Ps.

EgonSpengler
Jun 7, 2000
Forum Veteran

dunkman posted:

You should see (non-QA) level video games. Yeah, sure, 6 months a year of mandatory 80 hour work weeks, and then you're laid off as soon as the game ships, but the free soda and no dress code make it all worthwhile.

This depends on the studio. I've worked a fair bit of OT in my time here, although 80 hours is the exception not the rule. Most of that was voluntary too. Never been laid off, although that's half luck, since our studio never had large layoffs.

Good game studios don't have anywhere near the BS that's being reported in this thread. Working more than 40 hours is pretty easy to justify when I can come in to work between 7am and 10am at my own discretion, and step out for appointments provided I make up the time.

I get good vacation and good benefits, although us Canadians have a better vacation deal than the Americans in the same corporation.

Last thing is a major piece; I love the work. That's worth a lot more than the free soda and ability to wear jeans every day.

the
Jul 18, 2004

by Cowcaster
I just had this conversation moments ago with my supervisor who sits next to me:

:downs: - "Hey, you created a document for that scenario we talked about, right?"
:psyduck: - "I did, it's called 'system settings.doc.' I put it in the 'tech' folder."
:downs: - "Yeah, can you e-mail it to me?"
:psyduck: - "It's literally one folder deep in our network share. It's in the tech folder."

1 minute goes by...

:downs: - "So are you going to send that to me or not?"
:psypop:

So I have to compose and send the following email, which took more time than him clicking on the folder in the little icon on his desktop for our network share, and then clicking on one more folder:

To: Supervisor
From: the
Subject: [No Subject]
Body: \\share\tech\system settings.doc

:downs: Thanks!


EDIT: And it's amusing seeing this thread right next to the "Reasons I no longer work retail..." thread. I guess the grass is always greener, eh?

the fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Apr 30, 2010

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Sundae posted:


In reality:

You forgot to mention you have to pay income tax on unemployment benefits you receive!

Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

dantheman650 posted:

This is an episode of The Office. Season 2 Episode 10, Christmas Party. Almost exactly.

Oh yeah I forgot to mention the last half of my story, where it turns out my boss is really just a lovable fool with a heart of gold and everyone embraced the spirit of Christmas and then the credits rolled.

I can't tell if this thread is depressing me or not but I love it!

Suave Fedora
Jun 10, 2004

bleedbackwards posted:

My dad worked dangerous oilfield jobs his whole life and died young so that I could get an education and I wouldn't have to do the same poo poo. I just find it annoying that suburban kids think it's some kind of glorious sacrifice to trade air-conditioned offices for jobs where you're treated as an automaton that gets spit out after your health is failing and you've provided all that you're worth. It belittles the sacrifices of the people who work these jobs because they grew up in poverty, didn't get a chance for an education, and don't have many other options because they have families to feed.

It's not an insult, it's people giving in to their humanity.

People simply get tired of sitting on their asses and feel the pull of physical activity, any activity. It's normal, and while it may seem very "grass is greener", you have to understand that the human body wasn't exactly designed to sit on a chair for hours on end staring at TPS reports. At some point, people, mostly guys I'd guess, just want to swing a jackhammer and destroy poo poo and sweat out mandrops. This is the force that essentially engendered the concept of the weekend warrior.

Indolent Bastard
Oct 26, 2007

I WON THIS AMAZING AVATAR! I'M A WINNER! WOOOOO!

Orgasmo posted:

It's not an insult, it's people giving in to their humanity.

People simply get tired of sitting on their asses and feel the pull of physical activity, any activity. It's normal, and while it may seem very "grass is greener", you have to understand that the human body wasn't exactly designed to sit on a chair for hours on end staring at TPS reports. At some point, people, mostly guys I'd guess, just want to swing a jackhammer and destroy poo poo and sweat out mandrops. This is the force that essentially engendered the concept of the weekend warrior.

You have been in an office too long, you don't swing a jackhammer, sorry.

Edit: You aren't wrong about your theory though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_and_Its_Discontents

For those too lazy to click:

Civilization and Its Discontents is a book by Sigmund Freud.

"In this seminal book, Sigmund Freud enumerates the fundamental tensions between civilization and the individual. The primary friction stems from the individual's quest for instinctual freedom and civilization's contrary demand for conformity and instinctual repression. Many of humankind's primitive instincts are clearly harmful to the well-being of a human community. As a result, civilization creates laws that prohibit killing, rape, and adultery, and it implements severe punishments if such rules are broken. This process, argues Freud, is an inherent quality of civilization that instills perpetual feelings of discontent in its citizens."

Indolent Bastard fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Apr 30, 2010

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

the posted:

I just had this conversation moments ago with my supervisor who sits next to me:

:downs: - "Hey, you created a document for that scenario we talked about, right?"
:psyduck: - "I did, it's called 'system settings.doc.' I put it in the 'tech' folder."
:downs: - "Yeah, can you e-mail it to me?"
:psyduck: - "It's literally one folder deep in our network share. It's in the tech folder."

1 minute goes by...

:downs: - "So are you going to send that to me or not?"
:psypop:

So I have to compose and send the following email, which took more time than him clicking on the folder in the little icon on his desktop for our network share, and then clicking on one more folder:

To: Supervisor
From: the
Subject: [No Subject]
Body: \\share\tech\system settings.doc

:downs: Thanks!


EDIT: And it's amusing seeing this thread right next to the "Reasons I no longer work retail..." thread. I guess the grass is always greener, eh?

I have this conversation at least once a week and do the same thing because apparently I'm the bad person by telling them where it is as opposed to emailing 10 people a 60 meg .xls file.

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Doctor Butts posted:

You forgot to mention you have to pay income tax on unemployment benefits you receive!

You mean the second bullet point directly below the line you quoted? :D

quote:

* Your unemployment benefits are taxed as income both at federal and (I think also for all states) at state level.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

fuuuuuck

A Rabid Llama
Aug 19, 2003

Donkey PUNCH

The Young Marge posted:

Oh boy, it's Annual Employee Survey Time!
...

"I believe the company will take action upon reviewing the results of this employee survey."
- :psyduck:

Hahaha, they just put that one in there as a "gently caress you" I bet.

Also, I have a hard time believing that 90% of the people in this thread don't work for AT&T. Jesus Christ I hated that place.

Suave Fedora
Jun 10, 2004

Indolent Bastard posted:

You have been in an office too long, you don't swing a jackhammer, sorry.

drat I pretty much owned myself there didn't I.

Regarding Freud, are you suggesting that weekend warriors use sport/physical exertion to express their primal instincts? I never looked at it that way but personally it makes sense, I tend to get a gleam in my eye following a workout.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

A Rabid Llama posted:

Also, I have a hard time believing that 90% of the people in this thread don't work for AT&T. Jesus Christ I hated that place.

I'd be willing to bet that 90% of our CEOs know someone on AT&T's board of directors, though. Perhaps that is the explanation.:)

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

Sundae posted:

I'd be willing to bet that 90% of our CEOs know someone on AT&T's board of directors, though. Perhaps that is the explanation.:)

Nail. Head.

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)
This thread is fertile ground to start a 'fight club' and eventual 'project mayhem'

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

Mister Fister posted:

This thread is fertile ground to start a 'fight club' and eventual 'project mayhem'

No way dude that looked like actual work. I'm five years off an office with an xbox in it.

Dead Cow
Nov 4, 2009

Passion makes the world go round.
Love just makes it a safer place.

A Rabid Llama posted:

Hahaha, they just put that one in there as a "gently caress you" I bet.

Also, I have a hard time believing that 90% of the people in this thread don't work for AT&T. Jesus Christ I hated that place.

I made my Tech Support mini Mafia game (in TG) with AT&T as the bad guy after a particularly bad week of dealing with them.

Your phones are down cause it's your fault, something must be wrong on your end.
No one else has complained.
Your phones are down cause it's your fault, something must be wrong on your end.
No one else has complained.
Your phones are down cause it's your fault, something must be wrong on your end.
No one else has complained.

Engineer talking to my boss nearly a month later: Woo, something was sure messed up here at the hut, yeah, we had like 30 complaints in this area. We've replaced a buncha cards, you shouldn't have anymore issues.

Oh god, I hate AT&T.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

Dead Cow posted:

I made my Tech Support mini Mafia game (in TG) with AT&T as the bad guy after a particularly bad week of dealing with them.

Your phones are down cause it's your fault, something must be wrong on your end.
No one else has complained.
Your phones are down cause it's your fault, something must be wrong on your end.
No one else has complained.
Your phones are down cause it's your fault, something must be wrong on your end.
No one else has complained.

Engineer talking to my boss nearly a month later: Woo, something was sure messed up here at the hut, yeah, we had like 30 complaints in this area. We've replaced a buncha cards, you shouldn't have anymore issues.

Oh god, I hate AT&T.

"No, gently caress you, we are getting zero tone and no signal voltage at the demark. It literally cannot be anything we did. Get someone out here to fix this poo poo now or we're suing you for violation of the SLA."
"My computer isn't showing any problems"
"That's nice, I want to talk to your manager now, or I'm specifically naming you in the suit"

Turns out when you're both able to prove negligence on their part, AND you have a SLA, they'll actually fix it hours after the SLA terms say they would. But at least it's better than fixing it 2 weeks from then.

Horrorca
Mar 24, 2010
It doesn't matter that last night I stayed working until 4:00 AM, I still get scolded for being 7 minutes late next morning.

Fuckin' ace...

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Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

Horrorca posted:

It doesn't matter that last night I stayed working until 4:00 AM, I still get scolded for being 7 minutes late next morning.

Fuckin' ace...

I got talked to about coming in for emergency overtime on my day off while wearing a tshirt and shorts. My bad. Next time I'll drive 25 miles out of my way to make sure I appease the maybe 3 people that will physically see me next time. Another 4 hours until I can pillage my local Circle K of all their cheap adult beverages.

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