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Willie Tomg posted:I didn't have to use videogame logic to figure out what the designers intended me to do. I got an objective and was able to take the most natural-feeling path through the environment to get to it. It does require the same level to have and support multiple paths. That's hard to design, and even harder to implement. Linear paths are much easier to plan, implement, and test for bugs. It's also semi-apparent that the team was running out of steam, or time, toward the end of Deus Ex's production. Two of the later levels, namely the abandoned gas station and the nuclear launch site, are remarkably more linear (but Area 51 was not, so it figures that was developed separately.) As one of the videos on Youtube points out, though, there are still nifty secrets to be had in these, such as -- toss a LAM at the gas pumps at the abandoned station, and they'll explode, causing the awnings above them to collapse. Of course, doing stupid poo poo like this in a heavy stealth and hostage rescue mission will likely cause the MiBs to alert and kill Savage Alex's daughter.
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J.theYellow posted:It's also semi-apparent that the team was running out of steam, or time, toward the end of Deus Ex's production. Two of the later levels, namely the abandoned gas station and the nuclear launch site, are remarkably more linear (but Area 51 was not, so it figures that was developed separately.) In the postmortem it's admitted it was time; they opted to try to get all the levels up to as high a consistent standard as they could rather than focus on getting some of them awesome and leaving others as complete rear end. By the way, didn't see this beautiful thing posted yet and it's essentially required watchin', so hop to it. e: VV That's pretty savage Mystic Cave zOWNd fucked around with this message at 20:55 on May 3, 2010 |
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J.theYellow posted:As one of the videos on Youtube points out, though, there are still nifty secrets to be had in these, such as -- toss a LAM at the gas pumps at the abandoned station, and they'll explode, causing the awnings above them to collapse. Of course, doing stupid poo poo like this in a heavy stealth and hostage rescue mission will likely cause the MiBs to alert and kill Savage Alex's daughter. Noticed something new to me on this level. Most of us have probably allowed Alex's daughter to be slain so that you get Jock's transmission about a female lifeform getting killed (something like that). But I killed everyone, then dragon tooth'ed her before we talked and Alex comes on the line and tells you he cannot watch it anymore and tells you to get out of there.
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Willie Tomg posted:It seemed so natural and sensible an approach to go into an alley, climb up the fire escape, ghost from rooftop to rooftop avoiding the defenses at ground level, sneak around back and override the generator's cooling system.
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Carbohydrates posted:(except Tong[?] is a loving rear end for suggesting you go through the vents on the roof, because that's the worst path ever). I usually just go up there from the inside anyway, just to blow up more spider bots.
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May 4, 2010 00:03
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Crappy Jack posted:I still remember the secret room underneath Jacobson's office blowing my mind on like the tenth playthrough. Wait what Looks like I've got to reinstall Deus Ex.
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May 4, 2010 00:14
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you can let Walton Simons live and he shows up later? dammit.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:you can let Walton Simons live and he shows up later? dammit. Yep. If you avoid him at the seabase, he shows up again at Area 51 itching for a final showdown. Of course, with the water route, you can avoid him there, too. Poor little guy. And yeah, part of the floor in Jacobson's office is usable, and Denton will slide the floor over to reveal a hidden compartment that gets restocked with cool stuff every time you come back to UNATCO.
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TehGherkin posted:On my last playthrough I swam around there for hours and hours, and was never able to find it. I forget the exact canal, but I distinctly remember it being down there somewhere... but my 10 year old memory may be off.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Wait what There's a whole subplot involving that secret crawlspace, involving Sharon, the lady in the Alice in Wonderland dress, who you might meet in the ladies' restroom at UNATCO. She's been stealing from the armory, and if you run into her in the break room while trying to escape, she'll sell you stuff. Also, in case Mystic Cave's link above didn't register, watch Deus Ex completed in under 44 minutes.
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Crappy Jack posted:Yep. If you avoid him at the seabase, he shows up again at Area 51 itching for a final showdown. Of course, with the water route, you can avoid him there, too. Poor little guy. Course if you avoided him there you'd miss JC's all time best one-liner. What annoyed me about IW was that Alex D had no personality whatsoever, compared to JC who was just ice cold and collected all the time, but not boring, and fairly witty at times too.
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Dr Snofeld posted:What annoyed me about IW was that Alex D had no personality whatsoever, compared to JC who was just ice cold and collected all the time, but not boring, and fairly witty at times too. I'd argue Alex D had a personality, it was just infinitely malleable, with a capacity to immediately come up with a four-sentence question to derive the eight-sentence response from whoever he was talking to, such that every conversation further cemented the core dual concepts of Invisible War: nothing matters and humanity deserves what's coming to them, the overeducated, single-issue pricks.
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Anyone else enjoy picking up corpses and dragging them casually around with them in non combat zones in this game? 'Mind if I pop my friend here?'
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SeanBeansShako posted:Anyone else enjoy picking up corpses and dragging them casually around with them in non combat zones in this game? VVVV I managed to knock out Lebidev with tranquilizer darts at a time where Navarre accepted this, and was able to carry Lebidev with me all through the game. Sadly, literally less than an hour from the end I accidentally lost track of his body (I SWEAR I left it by the aug upgrade canister!). I then knocked out an MJ12 jet-fighter-arms trooper and started calling him "Lebidev", but it just wasn't the same. 
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I knocked out the two prisoners and brought them to the medlab. I didn't even let Simons interrogate them  I might also bring Lebedev along with me this time.
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I just realized that I have never played a no-pistols game. Or a no-rifles game. Giving up pistols wouldn't be a big deal, but rifles? Eegh. I love my sniper rifle.
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KnightLight posted:Eegh. Funny, that's what the pistols and rifles yell when fired. 
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Dr Snofeld posted:Course if you avoided him there you'd miss JC's all time best one-liner. How dare you.
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J.theYellow posted:There's a whole subplot involving that secret crawlspace, involving Sharon, the lady in the Alice in Wonderland dress, who you might meet in the ladies' restroom at UNATCO. She's been stealing from the armory, and if you run into her in the break room while trying to escape, she'll sell you stuff. quote:SHANNON
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I've just started Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, and there are occasional flashes of brilliance and non-linearity such as the New York Penthouse level, which gives me Hells Kitchen Warehouse and Life of the Party vibes. However, the levels are usually way too small and non-linear, especially the Peru and Hokkaido missions. Plus, Sam has learnt the touch of death, where he can walk up to someone an arms length away, lightly tap them with his palm, and they'll crumple to the floor. The directional lighting is also sorta weird, where standing in the shadows makes you completely invisible to guards even if you're silhouetted by slightly brighter surroundings, and guards won't turn around even if your shadow falls across the. On the other hand, the Harry Potter remote light switch is brilliant for ghosting around without leaving signs of your travel, as are the various risk/reward options for even basic obstacles like doors.
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Phobophilia posted:Plus, Sam has learnt the touch of death, where he can walk up to someone an arms length away, lightly tap them with his palm, and they'll crumple to the floor.
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Dr Snofeld posted:Course if you avoided him there you'd miss JC's all time best one-liner. What does he say? I always end up killing him.
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Torsade de Pointes posted:What does he say? I always end up killing him. You take another step forward, and here I am again, like your own reflection repeated in a hall of mirrors. JC DENTON That makes me one ugly son-of-a-bitch. How'd my face get all marked-up with bioelectrics? WALTON SIMONS I am the more advanced model, Denton. It's time for you to retire.
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What does "Segmented" mean in a speedrun context? Does it mean the sections come from separate playthoughs, or just reloaded save games?
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Amethyst posted:What does "Segmented" mean in a speedrun context? Does it mean the sections come from separate playthoughs, or just reloaded save games? Try one segment five or six times, save the playthrough with the best time, do it again for the next section of the game, rinse, repeat.
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That speedrun is amazing, I wonder what causes that grenade jump exploit? Some quirk of the physics engine. EDIT: HAH! The exploit he uses to keep all his stuff when he gets imprisoned in unatco is hilarious.
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Carbohydrates posted:That's the only mention of the hidden area in Jacobson's office and it's a quick throwaway line you only hear the very last time you're in UNATCO, but there's different stuff under those floorboards every time you're there, so this is one of those things that really does encourage another playthrough. Actually, she mentions it earlier as well. If you talk to her enough, she'll say something like: "If you need some supplies, check the false floor under Jacobson's room. The janitor has 'sticky' fingers" I don't remember when exactly, but its one or two visits before seeing Paul in his apartment. I have no idea what the janitor reference is supposed to mean. I only discovered this on my most recent runthrough. Its kind of ridiculous. Even after 10 or so playthroughs, I'll still consistently find something new every time, even in the first few levels. Someone here might know this. Was Ion Storm located in Washington State? I recently moved here, and on the same playthrough, I'm noticing a lot of little throwaway references to places here. eg: a newspaper in front of Paul's apartment references Bellevue. One of the bums in the free clinic talks about being attacked by the NSF in "Squalnomie" (probably meant Snoqualmie). Maybe I'm just stretching for references though. On a side note, this is the game that introduced me to nethack 
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This might be of use to y'all. It's a complete list of all the weapon upgrades in the (unmodded) game. No idea if shifters adds more. Credits to D'Juhn Keep over at the Through the Looking Glass forums.D'Juhn Keep posted:Deus Ex Weapon Mod List
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animatorZed posted:Actually, she mentions it earlier as well. ION Storm was based in Dallas, with the non-dysfunctional Warren Spector division in Austin. I figured the Northwest Secessionist Forces were loosely based around the occasional "Cascadia" movement for an independent state up there. Apparently, the NSF murdered Carter's family here in Merced for some reason, too.
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Ahaha, you can destroy the little roomba bots by stomping on them enough. It's even more fun than jumping on cats!
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Liesmith posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7tRYj-Y6qI Oh god I watched both of those and laughed until I cried loving tears. I think I woke the neighbors. edit: Holy poo poo, I didn't realize how long this thread was.
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Liska posted:Holy poo poo, I didn't realize how long this thread was. What a shame.
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Miles Vorkosigan posted:Ahaha, you can destroy the little roomba bots by stomping on them enough. It's even more fun than jumping on cats! This part of the Sunglasses at Night walkthrough describes, among other things, how to utilize the UNATCO vacuum cleaner to send everyone in the building into blind rage.
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I'm on my first playthrough of the game and read a few pages but I started to get a little worried that I would spoiler the game for myself if I kept reading. I've been getting random and sporadic slowdowns while playing with both the standard direct3d renderer and the direct 10 3d renderer listed in the OP and nothing from the FAQ in that fixer has helped me to actually resolve the issue. None of the tweaks or anything. Does anyone have any leads? Should I disable throttling?
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Elindale posted:I'm on my first playthrough of the game and read a few pages but I started to get a little worried that I would spoiler the game for myself if I kept reading. Try http://kentie.net/article/deusexe/index.htm I was having similar issues but that seemed to fix it.
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Captain Novolin posted:Try http://kentie.net/article/deusexe/index.htm I'd also like to say this works replacing the steam exe too, I did it
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Miles Vorkosigan posted:Ahaha, you can destroy the little roomba bots by stomping on them enough. It's even more fun than jumping on cats! And in Shifter you get some huge number of SP
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Speaking of cats, in the mole people hideout, the bloody cats were going insane killing rats. Is this Shifter stuff? I could have sworn this is not there in vanilla.
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CaptainWinky posted:This part of the Sunglasses at Night walkthrough describes, among other things, how to utilize the UNATCO vacuum cleaner to send everyone in the building into blind rage. This guy almost got the job done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omZE8ozyg-k
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Steakandchips posted:Speaking of cats, in the mole people hideout, the bloody cats were going insane killing rats. It was a fairly recent change to Shifter: cats have weapons (teeth) and they hate mice. They also have code to go after corpses and eventually gib them. 
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