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Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

That's pretty brilliant stuff.

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Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
They'll also go ballistic on pigeons, which you can watch on Tonnochi Road in Hong Kong. The pigeons are unfortunately rather stupid; they will repeatedly land next to the cat even as it causes their brethren to spew blood and die.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
I saved the Ton hotel manager and his daughter from Jojo by prodding with the prod before the confrontation dialogue popped up, then I carried Jojos unconsious body to the empty lift shaft threw him on the floor popped two in his head with the stealth pistol hopped on out and grabbed the slippery floor sign from the lobby and threw it at the threshhold of the elevator shaft.

What a shame.

SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 14:56 on May 4, 2010

SagatPunisherFanFic
Apr 16, 2009

Crappy Jack posted:

You only get it if you Tell Jaime to stay at Unatco. If you tell him to leave when you do, he gives you an upgrade canister the next time you meet him. If you tell him to stay behind, he's there long enough to dig up Gunther's killphrase.

Oh man, I always forget that one. Thanks, I'm going to try that out this minute.

Carbohydrates
Nov 22, 2006

Listen, Mr. Kansas Law Dog.
Law don't go around here.
Savvy?

Miles Vorkosigan posted:

Ahaha, you can destroy the little roomba bots by stomping on them enough. It's even more fun than jumping on cats!
Be careful, though. On Shifter's Unrealistic, those little floor bots are likely to pick up a gun and fight back. I actually got killed by a medical bot with a flamethrower because I accidentally aggro'd it in a gunfight. :(

edit: What happens if you find Ambrosia on the freighter, don't give it to Dowd (by taking it out of your inventory for the conversation at the crypt), and take it with you to Vandenberg for Tong when he shows up? I suspect nothing would happen, but... I think I'll try it next time.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
I thought Paul only died if you bailed on him and went out the window when he asked. I helped him fight the MIB and UNATCO Troopers right out of the Ton.

Should I have gone out the front too? I went out the window after all the fighting because it seemed much easier.

Dr Snofeld
Apr 30, 2009

SeanBeansShako posted:

I thought Paul only died if you bailed on him and went out the window when he asked. I helped him fight the MIB and UNATCO Troopers right out of the Ton.

Should I have gone out the front too? I went out the window after all the fighting because it seemed much easier.

Yeah the "Paul dies" trigger is on the window in Vanilla. Provided you don't do that then Paul survives no matter what. Shifter and Biomod change it so if you help him fight out but leave through the window he still survives.

Stump Truck
Nov 26, 2007
Why? Yes
Going out the front isn't too bad, although there are a shitload of troopers inside the 'Ton. Once you're out though you can sneak around to the right to recuperate before you either destroy or sneak past the bots. Are we really still spoilering this stuff?

Male Man
Aug 16, 2008

Im, too sexy for your teatime
Too sexy for your teatime
That tea that you're just driiinkiing

Carbohydrates posted:

edit: What happens if you find Ambrosia on the freighter, don't give it to Dowd (by taking it out of your inventory for the conversation at the crypt), and take it with you to Vandenberg for Tong when he shows up? I suspect nothing would happen, but... I think I'll try it next time.

I tried this in my last playthrough. Tong won't even realize you have it, and there's nothing you can do with the vial except give it to Dowd. Incidentally, you can't give anyone the Grey Death vial, either. I was really hoping there would be an rear end in a top hat option for giving Dowd the Grey Death and claiming it was the cure.

zombieman
Aug 8, 2003

That's one happy fucking egg!

Stump Truck posted:

Going out the front isn't too bad, although there are a shitload of troopers inside the 'Ton. Once you're out though you can sneak around to the right to recuperate before you either destroy or sneak past the bots. Are we really still spoilering this stuff?

Paul also lives if you get killed during that battle.

Spacko
Jan 11, 2005

by Fistgrrl
Okay, after some .ini file tweaking, I finally got this game to run on my gigantic monitor and sweet new rig. I guess the only caveat I have is the game running at 260fps :shivdurf:

I can walk up to, I guess his name is Paul something, after getting a very cut off "message" from Alex while I'm standing on the docks, some green guy walks around me with the gait of a speed addict, before another black-suited Matrix rip off sprints up, fires off a couple of words before my similarly-suited NPC (I use the term appropriately since I CANNOT play the game) responds with a single word, and so the dialogue continues.

I've looked up many gameplay videos and I assume my computer is just too far advanced for this obsolete game. I've also looked into some of the conspiracy theories and so called "plot-lines" exhibited by this game and found nothing but hackneyed dialogue and game mechanics far eclipsed by its sequel, which actually runs properly on my Steam-based download.

I can't imagine why anyone would spend any amount of time playing this game or making the ridiculous videos some people have posted in this thread. Just my two cents. :banjo:

MrBims
Sep 25, 2007

by Ralp

Spacko posted:

Okay, after some .ini file tweaking, I finally got this game to run on my gigantic monitor and sweet new rig. I guess the only caveat I have is the game running at 260fps :shivdurf:

I can walk up to, I guess his name is Paul something, after getting a very cut off "message" from Alex while I'm standing on the docks, some green guy walks around me with the gait of a speed addict, before another black-suited Matrix rip off sprints up, fires off a couple of words before my similarly-suited NPC (I use the term appropriately since I CANNOT play the game) responds with a single word, and so the dialogue continues.

I've looked up many gameplay videos and I assume my computer is just too far advanced for this obsolete game. I've also looked into some of the conspiracy theories and so called "plot-lines" exhibited by this game and found nothing but hackneyed dialogue and game mechanics far eclipsed by its sequel, which actually runs properly on my Steam-based download.

I can't imagine why anyone would spend any amount of time playing this game or making the ridiculous videos some people have posted in this thread. Just my two cents. :banjo:

Nice troll brah

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Dr Snofeld posted:

Yeah the "Paul dies" trigger is on the window in Vanilla. Provided you don't do that then Paul survives no matter what. Shifter and Biomod change it so if you help him fight out but leave through the window he still survives.

Ah, should have helped him after the ambush into the room. Reloaded after posting back to the Ton and helped him with his hypocritical genocide and now he lives yay.

Sadly the NSF guy I escorted through the MJ12 base sort of got the shaft because of that stupid one way door that leads into the UNATCO HQ. Hurray.

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Miles Vorkosigan posted:

Ahaha, you can destroy the little roomba bots by stomping on them enough. It's even more fun than jumping on cats!

I accidentally got stuck on a vacuum cleaner, which promptly blew up and injured the UNATCO soldier next to me, which caused the whole bloody army to go ape and kill me. It was just an accident guys :(

usually
Sep 9, 2004

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usually fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Jul 19, 2011

Male Man
Aug 16, 2008

Im, too sexy for your teatime
Too sexy for your teatime
That tea that you're just driiinkiing

DVD Drive posted:

I saved while drunk and now my FOV is permanently messed up. :(

You should be able to manually reset it. Try "FOV 90", "set FOV 90", "set human FOV 90" or something of that ilk.

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

Captain Novolin posted:

Try http://kentie.net/article/deusexe/index.htm

I was having similar issues but that seemed to fix it.

Just wanted to chip in to say that this fixed my speed issues and was both simpler and easier than any of the other methods posted.

Thanks! Now to boycott this thread again until I finish the game at least once.

usually
Sep 9, 2004

e

usually fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Jul 19, 2011

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

DVD Drive posted:

My keyboard config seems to have no relation to user.ini so i can't edit it to allow me to use the Talk command to enter a cheat.

Just bind it ingame? There's a "talk" entry in the binds list if you go into the options menu.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



I have played Deus Ex end to end about 1000 times and I never realized you could keep Paul alive :aaaaa:

This is why this game is amazing, I'm going to have to play it again now. Again.

J.theYellow
May 7, 2003
Slippery Tilde

gggiiimmmppp posted:

I have played Deus Ex end to end about 1000 times and I never realized you could keep Paul alive :aaaaa:

Absolute easiest way to handle the apartment raid is to go into the closet. Not even the one that has to be opened by the keypad; just the hall closet behind the pillar will do. When the MiBs and troopers rush in, Paul will kill them all. Bonus if he rages all the way out into the hallway and downstairs to the lobby, killing everything in sight.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
It amuses me to no end that Paul doesn't attempt to knock out his UNATCO buddies and slaughters them like pigs.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


SeanBeansShako posted:

It amuses me to no end that Paul doesn't attempt to knock out his UNATCO buddies and slaughters them like pigs.

We don't need another Anna Navarre shooting spree.

KnightLight
Aug 8, 2009

Grand Fromage posted:

We don't need another Anna Navarre shooting spree.

Well, pace yourself. You killed a lot of people tonight.

KnightLight fucked around with this message at 03:14 on May 5, 2010

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

Avatar brought to you by the TG Sanity fund

SeanBeansShako posted:

It amuses me to no end that Paul doesn't attempt to knock out his UNATCO buddies and slaughters them like pigs.

His sense of tragic irony is augmented.

OregonDonor
Mar 12, 2010

J.theYellow posted:

Absolute easiest way to handle the apartment raid is to go into the closet. Not even the one that has to be opened by the keypad; just the hall closet behind the pillar will do. When the MiBs and troopers rush in, Paul will kill them all. Bonus if he rages all the way out into the hallway and downstairs to the lobby, killing everything in sight.

Running past Paul before his dialogue and placing two LAMS on the walls next to the door and ducking behind the couch with the Magnum (Shifter) and watching the MiB explode makes you feel like a JC Denton/Clint Eastwood hybrid.

Not enough things in life do that.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

J.theYellow posted:

Absolute easiest way to handle the apartment raid is to go into the closet. Not even the one that has to be opened by the keypad; just the hall closet behind the pillar will do. When the MiBs and troopers rush in, Paul will kill them all. Bonus if he rages all the way out into the hallway and downstairs to the lobby, killing everything in sight.

Actually the easiest way is to let yourself be killed because then you appear in the MJ12 prison without having wasted a whole bunch of ammo fighting a pointless battle followed by an unwinnable one.

Jetsetlemming
Dec 31, 2007

i'Am also a buetifule redd panda

BattleMaster posted:

Actually the easiest way is to let yourself be killed because then you appear in the MJ12 prison without having wasted a whole bunch of ammo fighting a pointless battle followed by an unwinnable one.
And you wasted an opportunity to have a good time having a big fight with a bunch of MIB and unacto agents :confused: You know if you ghost through the game you won't have to spend any resources at all!

J.theYellow
May 7, 2003
Slippery Tilde

OregonDonor posted:

Running past Paul before his dialogue and placing two LAMS on the walls next to the door and ducking behind the couch with the Magnum (Shifter) and watching the MiB explode makes you feel like a JC Denton/Clint Eastwood hybrid.

Even better: place the LAMs in strategic places within the hotel lobby before going back to see Paul, so you can hear the explosion and see the lights in the room flash during your conversation, and know the exact moment when the enemies are scripted to spawn outside. The MiB's voice will be disembodied; if you do it right, they'll all be dead and/or gibs when you exit the apartment.

BattleMaster posted:

Actually the easiest way is to let yourself be killed because then you appear in the MJ12 prison without having wasted a whole bunch of ammo fighting a pointless battle followed by an unwinnable one.

If you make it all the way to Battery Park and jump over the barricades, you can get Jock/Black Helicopter to say he's not leaving without Paul.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Jetsetlemming posted:

And you wasted an opportunity to have a good time having a big fight with a bunch of MIB and unacto agents :confused: You know if you ghost through the game you won't have to spend any resources at all!

I didn't say it was the most satisfying way, it's just wrong to say that anything else is the "easiest" way. Because if you care about ease, you probably don't really want to fight your way through the toughest fight in the game for no reward.

A Real Happy Camper
Dec 11, 2007

These children have taught me how to believe.
It's not tough if Paul kills all but two guys and you pick them off before they even notice you. :smug:

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Jesus Christ. I beat this game for the millionth time last week, read the last few pages, and I want to play it again and do everything completely differently just because.

drat you, Deus Ex thread.

Le Sean
Feb 18, 2006
Magazines call me a Rockstar, Girls call me Cockstar
Sort of a dick-move on Black Helicopter's part to not get you out of there if you somehow make it to him. Speaking of Black Helicopter, for all the cut-scenes post Dowd where he talks about how 'something is loose in this helicopter, or something, listen, I don't know', I'm wondering is there any other way to save him after missing your chance to kill the mechanic.

Seems like you could forget to kill the mechanic in a rush and be reminded of it every level as Black Helicopter and JC have yet another birds-and-the-bees talk about military vehicles and their proper operation at each level's conclusion.

Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.

Le Sean posted:

Sort of a dick-move on Black Helicopter's part to not get you out of there if you somehow make it to him. Speaking of Black Helicopter, for all the cut-scenes post Dowd where he talks about how 'something is loose in this helicopter, or something, listen, I don't know', I'm wondering is there any other way to save him after missing your chance to kill the mechanic.

Seems like you could forget to kill the mechanic in a rush and be reminded of it every level as Black Helicopter and JC have yet another birds-and-the-bees talk about military vehicles and their proper operation at each level's conclusion.

Nope. The mechanic thing is literally the only way. If you don't catch the mechanic, then it WILL explode and you will be a bad person forever.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT
That's why I kill every mechanic I see.

It's tough getting my car repaired these days.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Quite possibly the greatest part of Deus Ex is that the black helicopter is called Black Helicopter.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



J.theYellow posted:

Absolute easiest way to handle the apartment raid is to go into the closet. Not even the one that has to be opened by the keypad; just the hall closet behind the pillar will do. When the MiBs and troopers rush in, Paul will kill them all. Bonus if he rages all the way out into the hallway and downstairs to the lobby, killing everything in sight.
I did this, and after clearing out the hotel Paul was all like "hey you go to hong kong, I'll get smuggler to deal with my gimpy rear end" so I went and got captured by gunther and I'm in the unatco base and paul is dead and I've gotta go copy his datavault like usual. Is Paul hosed either way or did the game just gently caress me?

Incidentally after playing Deus Ex countless times I don't think I ever tried executing Anna on the 747 before either, when she wants you to execute Lebedev. At this point we just learned that Paul has gone rogue and JC hasn't officially turned yet and alex freaks out on the datalink all "JESUS gently caress THEYLL HAVE YOU EXECUTED, I, I, I'll just delete this video..." and then manderly curses at you during the debriefing but then you fall back into the usual "you were right to refuse to kill him in cold blood!" dialog for most of the other characters which doesn't really fit.

poverty goat fucked around with this message at 05:49 on May 5, 2010

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
The only thing it comes down to is how you leave the 'Ton. If you go out the window, Paul dies. If you go out the front door, he lives.

A Real Happy Camper
Dec 11, 2007

These children have taught me how to believe.

gggiiimmmppp posted:

I did this, and after clearing out the hotel Paul was all like "hey you go to hong kong, I'll get smuggler to deal with my gimpy rear end" so I went and got captured by gunther and I'm in the unatco base and paul is dead and I've gotta go copy his datavault like usual. Is Paul hosed either way or did the game just gently caress me?

Incidentally after playing Deus Ex countless times I don't think I ever tried executing Anna on the 747 before either, when she wants you to execute Lebedev. At this point we just learned that Paul has gone rogue and JC hasn't officially turned yet and alex freaks out on the datalink all "JESUS gently caress THEYLL HAVE YOU EXECUTED, I, I, I'll just delete this video..." and then manderly curses at you during the debriefing but then you fall back into the usual "you were right to refuse to kill him in cold blood!" dialog for most of the other characters which doesn't really fit.

You went out the window, I bet. If you go through the front door he survives, but the window has him die.

I also set a trap to kill Anna (I used the barrels of boom behind the door method) and I have to say, it was nice not having to fight her. On my next run I'll actually use her killphrase.

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Le Sean
Feb 18, 2006
Magazines call me a Rockstar, Girls call me Cockstar
It would be great if most of the NPC's at UNATCO had a killphrase (somehow) and one of the ultra-secret-endings involved you strolling out of the MJ12 base, Miguel's arm interlocked in yours, as you skip through the halls rattling off random cryptonyms as everyone falls, one by one, to the floor in the wake of your joy.

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