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Baruch Obamawitz posted:This is accurate, except I think you need above a 3.0 for your JD to get GS-9, otherwise GS-7. Then again, I'm a GS-12 after two and a half years, so it's not like promotion comes slowly when working at the fed. Between IBR and the speed with which examiners are promoted, I'm really not concerned with the level at which I'm hired; I'm just trying to get in. Unfortunately, the last opening was at GS-11.
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I know the ITC ratcheted up requirements midway through a job announcement. When I applied I was theoretically qualified through experience, now when I check the USAJobs entry, it looks like I missed that by a year.
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lipstick thespian posted:JudicialRestraints, what do you plan on doing after graduation? Firm -> Midlaw Firm/In House -> Rehab -> Part Time Politician Civil Service -> IBR Loan repayments at 10 years -> Small Firm Job As A Partner Or Something-> Part Time Politician with a job at a small firm. Rural Lawyer -> Crushing Alcoholism -> Run for DA/Local Judge -> Die from a pickled liver listed in order of preference
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# ? May 9, 2010 20:41 |
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2l's without summer associate gigs, next year if everything still sucks (it will), we might want to consider applying for Presidential Management Fellowships, they're 1-2 posts with government agencies, they don't require a law degree but just some sort of advanced degree. A few people from my school got them and I think there's some sort of loan forgiveness option plus like 60k so it's not the worst thing in the world. https://www.pmf.opm.gov/
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:This is accurate, except I think you need above a 3.0 for your JD to get GS-9, otherwise GS-7. Then again, I'm a GS-12 after two and a half years, so it's not like promotion comes slowly when working at the fed. I had below a 3.0 and am started at GS-9. It may be different in the patent office, however.
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Ersatz posted:Journal is extremely important if you're interested in clerking. If it really was a simple screwup on your part and you can make a straight-faced argument to whoever is in charge that it would be in no way unfair to the other competitors to make an exception to the normal process to enable you to apply, you should start hustling to make it happen. Yeah, I tried this, got shot down. Emailed back, explained what happened, and received a terse and fairly rude email back stating that there were absolutely no exceptions. Talked to two deans, neither was able/willing to do anything. I (and at least 5 other people I know) all forgot to fill out a second required form. I generated an application number, assumed I was done, and then after the 5 p.m. deadline read the confirmation email, wherein I was informed about the other form.
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drew something for this journal at the liberal arts grad school
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Red Bean Juice posted:drew something for this journal at the liberal arts grad school really good
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that dude falling off to the side is the luckiest dude
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nm posted:Seriously? Very interesting. I lived my life mostly in the Midwest and those PD and ADA jobs start at $40-50K. I'm shocked there are state jobs that pay that much for someone just out of law school.
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stingray1381 posted:Very interesting. I lived my life mostly in the Midwest and those PD and ADA jobs start at $40-50K. I'm shocked there are state jobs that pay that much for someone just out of law school. CA is also going broke, if it isn't already. I wouldn't be surprised if these positions get some sort of salary cut, eventually. Then again, since it's California... maybe not.
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Napoleon I posted:Yeah, I tried this, got shot down. Emailed back, explained what happened, and received a terse and fairly rude email back stating that there were absolutely no exceptions. That really really sucks. I'd tell you to take it up with a dean (particularly since a number of other people made the same mistake), but you already did that. At least you gave it a shot. As a last resort, you might try petitioning together. Assuming that the write-on hasn't begun there really is no reason I can think of, aside from administrative laziness, that in the scenario you've described exceptions shouldn't be made.
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Yahoo Finance by The Wall Street Journal posted:
I got a good laugh at a career services person saying that the job market is bad, surprised they managed to get that from one of those offices. I don't feel like I have too much to offer to this thread, but I could offer a bit of my own story. I'm fairly passionate about drug policy, and I saw a chance for me to get a law degree, work as a public defender, and try to take as many drug cases as I could get my hands on. I had interned prior to law school for a criminal defense attorney who specialized in drug law, and it taught me a lot about the way law actually works. It was nigh impossible to take classes seriously (though I took them very seriously) while in the back of my head I remember how virtually nothing we talked about would ever really matter. A couple of professors were kind enough to ask me to stop by their offices after the first semester, and they just laid it out. They basically said they felt like I had an awful lot of passion, but the way the legal world was shaping up the chances of that passion being utilized in any effective way was virtually non-existent. One even said she'd have left law entirely if the professorship job hadn't come around. The advised me to seek other avenues, because law was probably going to become a really lovely field to work in very soon. Never got better advice than that it seems.
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Ersatz posted:Between IBR and the speed with which examiners are promoted, I'm really not concerned with the level at which I'm hired; I'm just trying to get in. Unfortunately, the last opening was at GS-11. We're supposed to be opening up hiring back to the "general public" in October. I think we're hiring patent professionals now, though, and I think we might consider you currently if you've passed the patent bar even if you don't have work experience. Find a SPE's phone number in an art unit that matches your undergrad. If you PM me, I might be able to help put you in contact with someone on Tuesday.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:We're supposed to be opening up hiring back to the "general public" in October. I think we're hiring patent professionals now, though, and I think we might consider you currently if you've passed the patent bar even if you don't have work experience. Find a SPE's phone number in an art unit that matches your undergrad. I appreciate it. Unfortunately though, based on what HR has told me, the new deal is that they have to approve a candidate before that candidate can sit down and talk to a SPE, so it's completely out of the SPE's hands if there isn't a current announcement. The bureaucratization of the hiring process has led to some absurd results. One of my friends from my former firm had three years of experience as an examiner, applied under the GS-11 announcement, and was rejected because they took so long in processing his application that he "missed" HR's arbitrary deadline for rehires. I think the "patent professional" program was the GS-11 announcement, and I was ultimately rejected under that announcement as lacking the necessary year of experience. The good news is that HR has also said that over the summer they plan to put up GS-9 postings for specific backgrounds, most likely CS, EE, and bio. I'm a Patent Agent with a CS background, a summer of preparation and prosecution experience at a patent firm, and a patent-related journal publication so, if and when that happens, I should be in good stead. Regardless, it would rock if they do open it back up to the "general public" in October. That makes me think that they might go back to hiring engineers straight out of undergrad. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 02:03 on May 10, 2010 |
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Napoleon I posted:Yeah, I tried this, got shot down. Emailed back, explained what happened, and received a terse and fairly rude email back stating that there were absolutely no exceptions. Last year we had a guy send an e-mail to the Editor-in-Chief threatening congressional hearings after the Westlaw dropbox didn't let him submit his packet on time. It worked. So, hopefully you know a Congressman?
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Napoleon I posted:Yeah, I tried this, got shot down. Emailed back, explained what happened, and received a terse and fairly rude email back stating that there were absolutely no exceptions. in absentia posted:Last year we had a guy send an e-mail to the Editor-in-Chief threatening congressional hearings after the Westlaw dropbox didn't let him submit his packet on time.
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So we had an eight-hour takehome. Strict 1L curve. Strict eight/five page limit for the two questions (you couldn't even write the answers nine/four). Twelve point font and "standard margins," which I took to be one inch (which is standard, right?) I now hear that there's at least one student who just moved the margins so he can write more. Professor is a nice guy, and probably wouldn't do anything if he notices it. Should I mention the margin/font issue to him, that I heard that there were students that bent the rules for themselves and I was kind of pissed when I heard (which could make him watch out for it/maybe downgrade people). Or should I just do nothing?
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Red Bean Juice posted:drew something for this journal at the liberal arts grad school
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billion dollar bitch posted:Should I mention the margin/font issue to him, that I heard that there were students that bent the rules for themselves and I was kind of pissed when I heard (which could make him watch out for it/maybe downgrade people). Or should I just do nothing? Either response is reasonable. If you do decide to contact the professor though, I'd check your school's rules about communicating with a professor regarding an exam before the grades are out. It's strictly forbidden to do so where I'm at.
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write a scathing email cc:allstudents
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Phil Moscowitz posted:write a scathing email cc:allstudents On letterhead. "From the desk of _________" But don't sign it "esq.", that'll get you in trouble.
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billion dollar bitch posted:Should I mention the margin/font issue to him, that I heard that there were students that bent the rules for themselves and I was kind of pissed when I heard (which could make him watch out for it/maybe downgrade people). Or should I just do nothing? Normally I would say do what's best for you, which would be tell the prof. But your net benefit here (one less person fighting for an A) isn't worth what could end up being a serious consequence for this dude depending on your honor court. Let it slide and let karma work it out. My advice changes if you dislike this person or if money is on the line.
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I know you guys come here for your BREAKING NEWS It's Kagan. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36967616/ns/politics-supreme_court/
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Tetrix posted:I know you guys come here for your BREAKING NEWS Wouldn't be terribly surprised by this. She got the Solicitor General job despite never having litigated anything in her career. I don't see too much purpose to making her SG if not to build her credentials for a later court appointment.
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Tetrix posted:I know you guys come here for your BREAKING NEWS Wow, that's out of left field. I mean I loved The Critic, too, but I didn't think it would get Jon Lovitz on the bench.
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sigmachiev posted:My advice changes if you dislike this person or if money is on the line. Less competition for BigLaw job upon graduation?
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HiddenReplaced posted:Wow, that's out of left field. I mean I loved The Critic, too, but I didn't think it would get Jon Lovitz on the bench. Lovitz would fly through confirmation hearings. "What's your opinion on abortion?" "It STINKS!" (all Republicans vote yea)
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I wanted Harold Koh, but it was a forlorn hope.
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sigmachiev posted:Normally I would say do what's best for you, which would be tell the prof. But your net benefit here (one less person fighting for an A) isn't worth what could end up being a serious consequence for this dude depending on your honor court. Let it slide and let karma work it out. I actually do (mildly) dislike the guy, but would feel uncomfortable making a decision on those grounds instead for general fairness/equity reasons.
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billion dollar bitch posted:Professor is a nice guy, and probably wouldn't do anything if he notices it. He'll notice, trust me. I mean hell, even if he wouldn't notice it alone, he will notice the one out of thirty that has tiny margins because there's 29 that look the same and one that looks different and will probably be insulted.
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Would he mark down for that, if he notices? Or would he default to thinking that it's not a big deal, and then change his mind when a student brings it to his attention?
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billion dollar bitch posted:Would he mark down for that, if he notices? Or would he default to thinking that it's not a big deal, and then change his mind when a student brings it to his attention? I have no idea since I've literally never picked up an exam/paper that's been graded in law school. I would assume though that he'll notice and do the same thing regardless of if you tell him or not, and it might not look great if you ever want to ask him for a recommendation. Like print out ten sheets with normal margins and narrow margins on one (with text) to see for yourself how obvious it is.
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7StoryFall posted:CA is also going broke, if it isn't already. I wouldn't be surprised if these positions get some sort of salary cut, eventually. Then again, since it's California... maybe not. You shouldn't move out here for these jobs, the market is fairly saturated.
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Local news had a segment today about how teachers are pretending to be Catholic to score jobs in the Catholic school board. I wonder if they'll ever do a bit on sucking dick for jobs in Barrow. They won't because to the average person becoming a lawyer is still a honeypot and no amount of blowjob for summary buttfuck stories will convince them otherwise
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billion dollar bitch posted:So we had an eight-hour takehome. Strict 1L curve. Strict eight/five page limit for the two questions (you couldn't even write the answers nine/four). Twelve point font and "standard margins," which I took to be one inch (which is standard, right?) I now hear that there's at least one student who just moved the margins so he can write more. Professor is a nice guy, and probably wouldn't do anything if he notices it. Just let it go. People who cheat will get theirs. ps hope you did good barenbuddy
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Well, I've decided not to do anything. But Feces, how are you saying "people will cheat will get theirs?" How will people get theirs if nothing happens? For the record, I know a girl who actually cheated on the LSAT and got into American University LS from that. Of course you can say, "lol she is in law school she got hers amirite?" but then there's necessarily some kid out there who's going to a not-as-good law school, who might have done much better otherwise. I guess the difference is nobody will know if she cheated on the LSAT and hopefully the prof can just look at the margins... PS Good luck to you too. billion dollar bitch fucked around with this message at 04:45 on May 10, 2010 |
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billion dollar bitch posted:Well, I've decided not to do anything. But Feces, how are you saying "people will cheat will get theirs?" How will people get theirs if nothing happens? No, you're right. "Karma will even things out" or "people who cheat will get theirs" just isn't true. Plenty of horrible people benefit greatly from doing horrible things. That said, karma is a bitch mwah
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